Crusades Mafia The English and a Survior Win!

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:24 pm

Uhm, well what are you proposing? cause things seem kind of deadlocked here.

I guess I'll vote Saxlad, but it doesn't exactly help matters ...

by **Iliad** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:29 pm

At this time we have sax at l-1 and haggis at l-2. We've been arguing over the merits of lynching either one for a while now and it looks like the camps are set. Either your enforce a lynch on the player with the highest number of votes, a no lynch or we wait for fir or I dunno some other option.

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:46 pm

Haggis wrote:This isn't town vs. scum, this is a faction game. In a faction game it doesn't make sense to team up with the guy stronger than you so you can finish of your last potential ally. And no one has been able to refute this simple fact.

Instead you guys stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA LA LA, YOU'RE NOT ON MY FACTION SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEST TO KILL YOU LA LA LA" ...

Yes I get that this is a faction game. And I see what you're saying about teaming up w/ the strongest faction not helping. However, just because the English lost one person, I'm not so sure that the other force (presumably the French) are that much stronger, unless edocsil made each faction w/ the exact same roles. If he didn't, then there are too many variables to assume that because the English are down one person that they are weaker. Its why I also assume that leaving a Muslim alive, while not knowing his abilities, or whether there are any other Muslims left, isn't a good idea. For all I know the Muslims could have a bulletproof character left, or a vig. After all, it just says that Vic was Saladin and Jace was 2nd in command, but not their abilities.

edocsil wrote:The Sultan reacted quickly throwing a dagger through the soldiers eye and into his brain, killing him instantly.

So was Vic a PGO, or did he just happen to target Richard the Lionheart? And I'm assuming Jace would have inherited Vic's abilities had he not been lynched, but there had to be something besides that.

-Tails

by **Commander9** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:02 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Yes I get that this is a faction game. And I see what you're saying about teaming up w/ the strongest faction not helping. However, just because the English lost one person, I'm not so sure that the other force (presumably the French) are that much stronger, unless edocsil made each faction w/ the exact same roles. If he didn't, then there are too many variables to assume that because the English are down one person that they are weaker. Its why I also assume that leaving a Muslim alive, while not knowing his abilities, or whether there are any other Muslims left, isn't a good idea. For all I know the Muslims could have a bulletproof character left, or a vig. After all, it just says that Vic was Saladin and Jace was 2nd in command, but not their abilities.

Hmm, perhaps you are of that third faction (or maybe even something else) that would benefit from that?

The game is totally compromised of 13 players and at least 3 factions (possibly more). For the simplicity and the sake of argument, lets assume that there are only 3 factions (which I kind of doubt due to the fact that we've got 13 players). If that's indeed the case, we could have 4 French, 4 English, 4 muslims and another person (4th party). If we think that there are only 3 factions, it's logical to suggest, 4 French, 4 English and 5 Muslims (due to the historical facts that they were a bit stronger). It's also safe to assume that Saladin (the Sultan and the Leader of Muslims) and 2nd in Command would be two strongest figures for Islamic armies and they're already gone Muslim faction has got 2 or maybe 3 members left (One is undoubtedly a Bodyguard from what we've seen so far, but is probably useless now). Not sure about the other role, but the fact is much, much weaker now (by the looks of it).

Now lets analyse what we have left - English have lost a bodyguard for their king and it looks like someone knows who that king is (due to the bodyguard being dead). French didn't have any casualties so far and still have their leader safe (due to the bodyguard) with another 2 roles. If we indeed lynch our known muslim (Haggis), what do we have left? An unprotected King who's likely to get murdered and probably 2 more Englishmen and a few Muslims versus the full-strength French faction.

Rhetorical question - do we really want that to happen? Obviously, I could be wrong and these all could be just demagogies, but as of yet, I still haven't been convinced that it's to our favour to lynch Haggis. However, if I'll be proven wrong, I'll vote him out.

by **edocsil** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:05 pm

VOTE COUNT

Haggis (4) ~ Naxus, Aage, Sax, Tailgunner
Sax (5) ~ Iliad, Commander, Violet, Thezz, haggis

10 alive 6 to lynch

I will go kick Fircoal around a bit till he votes.

by **Fircoal** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:46 pm

Vote: Naxus

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:59 pm

Fircoal wrote:Vote: Naxus

Well, that didn't exactly resolve the situation. :lol:

by **edocsil** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:10 pm

No it didn't.This will though.

Deadline Wednesday morning. There will be a No Lynch if there is no majority. (Nobody wants that)

by **naxus** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:42 pm

Fircoal wrote:Vote: Naxus

lol wtf?

by **Commander9** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:45 pm

naxus wrote:lol wtf?

Yup, didn't quite get this one either. Not even any reasoning...

by **edocsil** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:22 pm

@ Fircoal YOU IDIOT! What is THAT supposed to be? Are you even TRYING to play this game?! Kill the idiot NOW please!

/end humor ~ I am bored, please don't take that seriously.

by **Fircoal** on Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:25 pm

Commander9 wrote:
naxus wrote:lol wtf?

Yup, didn't quite get this one either. Not even any reasoning...

That's cause I like it when others go lol wtf

I'm not sure how much I'd like to say but I know that it's not in my best interest to lynch either Sax or Haggis.

by **VioIet** on Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:37 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
While I find sax suspicious, I don't see how letting Haggis live benefits anyone (but himself of course ). Maybe I'm missing something, but I guess we shall see.

-Tails

Wait, you say you find sax suspicious. Sax was the one who saved your life when you were about to be lynched, telling everyone that you were pro-town, defending you, etc. He continues to speak well about you now on Day 2. What do you find suspicious about him?

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:06 am

VioIet wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
While I find sax suspicious, I don't see how letting Haggis live benefits anyone (but himself of course ). Maybe I'm missing something, but I guess we shall see.

-Tails

Wait, you say you find sax suspicious. Sax was the one who saved your life when you were about to be lynched, telling everyone that you were pro-town, defending you, etc. He continues to speak well about you now on Day 2. What do you find suspicious about him?

He claimed something I myself didn't know about, while saying that I won't know about it until a certain time in the near future, and did so as to cast more suspicion on my character than I already had (no lynch anyone? :mrgreen:

). Sure he helped deter my lynch on D1, but only to reveal that Vic was part of the Muslim faction. Could this be a ploy to eliminate me? It's rather ingenious, granted, but why would someone reveal his own role and then the role of your patient who supposedly becomes a powerful force in a few days? This guarantees the patient gets targeted. If I had a doc role and I knew that a certain player would become more powerful, I sure as hell wouldn't tell anyone about it.

-Tails

by **aage** on Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:48 am

I'm getting tired of this day....
unvote vote thesaxlad...

Let's see his alignment. My guess is Haggis will be NK'd by either the french or the english...

by **edocsil** on Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:34 pm

Scene

During the day the a soldier in the Islamic army was captured. After several hours of begging for his life the simple soldier managed to convince the English forces to hang a different man. After several more hours looking for another target Saxlad was found. Something in his story didn't quite mach up, he was not part of the English army. Fear is the order of the day during the crusades, and everyone fears those who are different from themselves. A gallows was hastily erected and shortly after the body of Saxlad was swinging in the dusty wind.

Saxlad (Mercenary) has been killed!

The English army marches towards Jerusalem, prepared to conquer all in their way.

N2 has begun!

48 hrs for actions

by **edocsil** on Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:16 pm

If you do not desire to submit a night action, please say so, as nearly all the actions are in already.

by **edocsil** on Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:50 pm

Scene

During the night Philip of Cognac, the bastard son of Richerd the Lionheart made his final preparations to join his lover, the beautiful daughter of the late Saladin. As he snuck to the edge of the English army he was confronted by his father. Already knowing his illegitimate son's intention to leave the army Richard ran Philip through without a word. Only after his son's blood began to cool on the ground did he speak. "Death and dishonor to all traitors, leave his body for the crows."

Fircoal (Philip of Cognac, Lover) has been killed!

The English army is at Jerusalem's gates, the last refuge of the demoralized Islamic army. One way or another, this crusade will end soon.

D3 has begun!

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:17 pm

edocsil wrote:Scene

During the night Philip of Cognac, the bastard son of Richerd the Lionheart made his final preparations to join his lover, the beautiful daughter of the late Saladin. As he snuck to the edge of the English army he was confronted by his father. Already knowing his illegitimate son's intention to leave the army Richard ran Philip through without a word. Only after his son's blood began to cool on the ground did he speak. "Death and dishonor to all traitors, leave his body for the crows."

Fircoal (Philip of Cognac, Lover) has been killed!

The English army is at Jerusalem's gates, the last refuge of the demoralized Islamic army. One way or another, this crusade will end soon.

D3 has begun!

Wait, if he was a lover shouldn't Saladin's daughter have died as well?

Also, looks like the muslims don't even have a night kill anymore ...

by **Thezzaruz** on Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:34 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Wait, if he was a lover shouldn't Saladin's daughter have died as well?

Usually the other Lover doesn't die until the night phase after first lover died.

Nax, you have any luck tonight?.

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:43 pm

Thezzaruz wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:Wait, if he was a lover shouldn't Saladin's daughter have died as well?

Usually the other Lover doesn't die until the night phase after first lover died.

Nax, you have any luck tonight?.

I see.

Also, does anybody have a clue what the role "mercenary" is. I looked it up but couldn't find anything. Is it like survivor + NK ?(i guess that would kind of make sense), or maybe just s SK.

by **aage** on Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:32 pm

I don't have a clue, but green doesn't look friendly to me. Especially when they're all hooked up with Saladin's daughter and doing stuff for money.

I say we lynch another Islamic dude.

Vote Haggis (nope, no surprises there)

by **Thezzaruz** on Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:44 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Also, does anybody have a clue what the role "mercenary" is.

Not really. Some sort of JoaT or limited SK or something perhaps. He's dead so it doesn't matter any more, just got to hope that Edoc reveals all roles and such at the end of the game to satisfy our curiosity. :mrgreen:

aage wrote:I say we lynch another Islamic dude.

Vote Haggis (nope, no surprises there)

I was thinking that but I decided to wait a bit for the results of any actions first.

by **Iliad** on Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:07 pm

Saxlad I'm thinking was a doc with one a shot nk. This is from me finding a shield that was apprently used often and a sword that wasn't. Sax's connection to tail grows more interesting as i predicted sax is not part of the english faction. FOS tails

However I did investigate aage and found bloody swords on him which means that he was the one who was repsonsible for the death of the night and that he is probably richard the lionheart. He will be a much bigger threat than Haggis. Btw Haggis: were you fircoal's lover or is that someone else?

Regardless: we should lynch aage if we consider the english to be a threat. As for the french I'm not sure yet who's part of the french faction but I'm pretty sure tail is.

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:12 am

Hm I do want to know what mercenary is.

vote aage

Either Haggis doesn't have a NK, he was blocked, or he didn't use it. However I believe Iliad's claim and aage is the most dangerous person as of now.

-Tails

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