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[Haggis_McMutton]

Good argument karl. Hmm sounds like you just want a lynch haggis. You are switching votes over constantly- just ready to jump on a bandwagon. And not necessary a thoughtful lynch, or one that could possibly gather information or be of benefit to the town. Just any lynch is good enough for you.

Are you serious? I understand skimming, but stating that i haven't put thought into this? You must have not read any of my posts for the last 20 pages.
You actually managed to annoy me a little, something that happens very rarely to me over the interwebz.

You know, actually i dare you to find ONE person who has put more thought into this lynch than me, keep in mind my short novel post about all the players, my debate about the benefit or non-benefit of a random roleblocker, my switch from naxus to daze only because of the enforced deadline(with reasons posted and asking squirrel to prolong the deadline). My post clearly stating how i view lynching daze,sens and no lynch in temrs of usefullness for the town etc etc.

Also, you are now defending daze more vigurously than ever. This does not bode well with you statement that "you just defended her initially cause you don't want your friend accused of lying". People don't defend friends in mafia like you're doing, noob scum defend sum mates like you are doing.

MAJOR FOS VIOLET for making absolutely no sense.

[spiesr]

So you don't believe her defense. Really, then, what else do you suggest that she says?

If he doesn't believe Daze, then that means he thinks her to be lying and to be scum. In that case then there is nothing he thinks she does need to say, as it would just be more lies.
As you can lie when making a roleclaim, people are not required to believe your claims. They are expected to look at your claim and the other available information and make their best judgment as to whether or not to believe what you say.

[strike wolf]

Also, flow is staying in the game, serbia decided to not replace after all.

Replace at all? or did he decide he'd let flow stay in the game?

[strike wolf]

Unvote I may have gotten a bit hot headed about the whole Sensfan deal. His comment pissed me off. Other than that, I really wish we had a better lead than daze but I guess it is the lynch that will give us the most info. I will not vote her as I believe she's already at 8 and that's enough with the deadline coming at some point today.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Also, flow is staying in the game, serbia decided to not replace after all.

Replace at all? or did he decide he'd let flow stay in the game?

Well, he wants in, but he has already seen the role pm. So unless flow is killed, I can't put him in.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Unvote I may have gotten a bit hot headed about the whole Sensfan deal. His comment pissed me off. Other than that, I really wish we had a better lead than daze but I guess it is the lynch that will give us the most info. I will not vote her as I believe she's already at 8 and that's enough with the deadline coming at some point today.

Umm, that's kind of weird.
If you think she should be lynched why don't you put your money where your mouth is?

Are you afraid she'll turn up town and you don't want to be associated with her waggon?

I find this comment kind of scummy.

[aage]

Commander and Daze are my new scum team, along with Karelpietje. They're all mobbing on Haggis!!

See why that reasoning is flawed?

Anyway, Commander, think as you will about me, I'll just say this... Lynching either Haggis or Sensfan is not getting town anywhere. Since I'm not a cop I need to get info off the Day, and I'm not getting that by lynching Sensfan. Thus I'm trying to lynch Dazerazer, the person who claims to have a mental disease and is being so vague about her role I don't know what to believe. And then there's you who is being her protective angel or something, OMGUS'ing everyone who votes for Daze before she even gets the chance. Maybe I'll retreat the point about dedicating D2 to TheHerk with this kind of responses... Are you Daze's doctor or something?

[VioIet]

That is now the second or third time I've been accused of skimming. It is possible that there was a misunderstanding, but certainly not skimming. I think I am one of the players reading this thread most carefully. Spend hours reading it every day- too much time. But it is all in good fun, so I’m certainly not complaining.

With that being said…..

Haggis, I have also done similar analysis posts as you have.
Yes you have some thoughtful post out there but it is just part of the well constructed facade that you are putting on right now.
It is very contradictory and downright hypocritical for you to make such a thoughtful post- analyzing the benefits of a possible dazey vs sens lynch, however you seem to just follow the masses, jumping on any bandwagon you see. I feel this way because of your following posts:

"By my count right now sens is at 8(minimum required for lynch) and daze is at 5.
So I'm staying on sens for now, but if it looks like we can actually get the lynch on daze I'm tottaly switching.”

Are we really gonna push a quick waggon on sens now? It's got to be real quick if we don't want to just lynch some random inactive guy(or get no lynch)

SIgh* Well, since this needs to happens fast(we have 1 RL day left, right? ). I'll unvote vote sens.

But for the record, I STILL think daze is the better choice, you can't really say she's been much more helpful than sens(if we hadn't pushed a waggon on her, she probably would have been in his exact situation), and the 20 pages of discussion about her makes it seem to me like her lynch is more valuable.

If you thought Dazey was the better choice all this time- then why help to push a wagon on sens?
Stand up for what you think was the better choice- instead of flipping your vote around constantly, to go along with the easier target.

With that being said- you are not the only one flipping around like this- but you definitely caught my eye, and have been in mind for quite some time now. Was just reluctant to take my vote off flores because I think she’s mafia too. Unfortunately I can’t really convict two at once.

Had it been a bandwagon on Bob, Suzy, Jack, or Paul, you would have said…
"Are we gonna push a quick lynch on Bob/Suzy/Paul/whomever? Alright, lets do it."
I didn’t see you making one effort to try to stop the sens wagon.
Nor were you ever the first one to cast a vote dazey or sens, but always the second to last.
Which is exactly why my vote stays on you for the time being.

[edocsil]

Violet, Daze, unless both of you vote for sens daze will die, cause no one is going to jump on the haggis wagon with you.

To the others, if daze was an experianced player I would lynch her in a heartbeat, that claim is an awesome way for a scum to survive at least one more night and distract the doc. Honestly there is no way daze could have thought that up on her own, that kind of gameplay takes time to learn. Her claim strikes true for me and I cannot in good conscious let you lynch her when many of you suspect her to not be scum.

If the arguments that have been presented for her lynch are stronger, so be it, I hope we get good info from the lynch. But please, just consider if that truly is the most beneficial action to the town.

[aage]

Unvote I may have gotten a bit hot headed about the whole Sensfan deal. His comment pissed me off. Other than that, I really wish we had a better lead than daze but I guess it is the lynch that will give us the most info. I will not vote her as I believe she's already at 8 and that's enough with the deadline coming at some point today.

Voting her will probably take less time than writing all this down, and it most defenitely will make more sense. You don't want to have the responsibility? As Haggis already pointed out... Why?


On the other hand I just got fastposted by VioIet and she does have a point. Haggis, your posts are contradicting. Explanation?

[Haggis_McMutton]

That is now the second or third time I've been accused of skimming. It is possible that there was a misunderstanding, but certainly not skimming. I think I am one of the players reading this thread most carefully. Spend hours reading it every day- too much time. But it is all in good fun, so I’m certainly not complaining.

With that being said…..

Haggis, I have also done similar analysis posts as you have.
Yes you have some thoughtful post out there but it is just part of the well constructed facade that you are putting on right now.
It is very contradictory and downright hypocritical for you to make such a thoughtful post- analyzing the benefits of a possible dazey vs sens lynch, however you seem to just follow the masses, jumping on any bandwagon you see.

1. I STARTED the daze wagon(at least the second one. Shortly after mod announced the deadline and i explained why.
2. I didn't jump on the herk wagon and was against it, again with reasons
3. I clearly stated that lynching daze better than lynching sens better than no lynch imo. All my actions are a consequence of that clearly stated belief.

If you thought Dazey was the better choice all this time- then why help to push a wagon on sens?
Stand up for what you think was the better choice- instead of flipping your vote around constantly, to go along with the easier target.

See number 3.

Nor were you ever the first one to cast a vote dazey or sens, but always the second to last.
.

O RLY?

If you're reading then you are not comprehending.
I started the waggon on naxus, that was getting of the ground till mod announced deadline. After the deadline i (re-)started the waggon on daze:

Actually, if the deadline is upheld, I'm for lynching daze.

She is the only one we've had a proper bandwagon on, therefore she's the one from which we'll get the most benefit by lynching. The fact that she has contributed almost nothing also helps my case.

The problem is, i genuinely believe her to be a roleblocker, but, if the deadline is upheld, i think it's our best choice and that the info we would get from her wagon would outweigh the possible benefits of a roleblocking role in the hands of a person who doesn't follow the game.

There you go, page 36. I then defended that decision throughout the next 20 pages and I'm still sticking to it, switching to sens only because of point 3.

So really, your arguments are WEAK and prove that you aren't following the thread wether you read it or not.

[strike wolf]

I just don't see the point in it. I don't see anyone unvoting at this point, so a 9th vote to me seems redundant. As far as me being connected with her wagon. it would have been a little late for that if that had been my point. I've voted for unvoted voted again unvoted again. As far as her role. I don't think she's being completely honest. with the whole I'm a rapist roleblocker with a mental illness who can be cured of this illness by a doc (psychiatrist? I looked up the role and not sure if that's what Daze was talking about or not when she mentioned the doctor). I think there is a mistruth somewhere in there. Probably in the town role blocker part.

And I know I really like to say this but other than that my computer is being a real pain rihgt now...

[Haggis_McMutton]

I just don't see the point in it. I don't see anyone unvoting at this point, so a 9th vote to me seems redundant. As far as me being connected with her wagon. it would have been a little late for that if that had been my point. I've voted for unvoted voted again unvoted again. As far as her role. I don't think she's being completely honest. with the whole I'm a rapist roleblocker with a mental illness who can be cured of this illness by a doc (psychiatrist? I looked up the role and not sure if that's what Daze was talking about or not when she mentioned the doctor). I think there is a mistruth somewhere in there. Probably in the town role blocker part.

And I know I really like to say this but other than that my computer is being a real pain rihgt now...

dude, typing vote daze would have taken 1/20 of the effort to type that post. Doesn't that make posting that redundant?

I don't get why we should keep it at exactly 8 votes, it's an extra risk.

[strike wolf]

I think it would be redundant if I wanted to vote daze. I don't really understand a point in making it 9 when there are already enough for the lynch. If you can explain that to me than I might add my vote but I just don't see the point in it rihgt now.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I think it would be redundant if I wanted to vote daze. I don't really understand a point in making it 9 when there are already enough for the lynch. If you can explain that to me than I might add my vote but I just don't see the point in it rihgt now.

Because someone might (innocently or not) unvote at an inopportune moment and we might be left with no lynch and no info.

[strike wolf]

I just don't see the point in it. I don't see anyone unvoting at this point.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I just don't see the point in it. I don't see anyone unvoting at this point.

So is it impossible? Why take the extra risk? I just don't get it.

Action: type vote daze.
Value: - it might prevent someone from unvoting at the last moment and stopping the lynch
Cost: ???

Does not this action clearly have positive value if you believe daze should be lynched? Why not take it?

[edocsil]

Vote Daze

A no lynch is the worst that can happen, switching my vote just in case someone changes their mind. Off to class in moments so my vote is final now.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Vote Daze

A no lynch is the worst that can happen, switching my vote just in case someone changes their mind. Off to class in moments so my vote is final now.

See, this is what I'm talking about.

Have to say i find strike wolf's actions very odd indeed.

[ga7]

Vote Daze

A no lynch is the worst that can happen, switching my vote just in case someone changes their mind. Off to class in moments so my vote is final now.

Not final since you never unvoted
While I agree it's too far fetched a story for a noob to make up, it's quite simple to lie about your alignment. She kept feeding the info about her role little by little as the wagon went on, and the cherry on the cake is rapist. Pro town rapist... While I could buy the role mechanism I don't believe the pro town part.

[FloresDelMal]

so thanks aage for the wake up call, i just hope we wont go no lynch because of this unvote vote daze lynch all liars

Yeah, your scummate had to give you a wake up call. I guess since sens lynch didn’t happen as quickly as you would have liked, you had to quickly hop on another wagon before the deadline. Flores you say lynch all liars. If it turns out that Dazey was town and was truthful about her role, what are you going to say then?....... I'll be waiting.

yeah, aage and me, BFF, in fact i just had him on the phone, he told me to get to check this thread right now, because you were threating me, and i should adress it urgently, even thought i have many things going on right now IRL, but then i know that aage has my best interests at heart, since we ARE BFF and scum buddies as well, together with haggis and the other 5 persons voting daze right now, damn, there i slipped and said my evil plan


now lets get real, have you even read all the posts i made like since forever saying that i believe that in the best case scenario daze might be a misguided townie today, but that might change overnight, making her dangerous to town, etc... anyway, now that she said that her character is a rapist, i feel even better about voting her, in what twisted game theme rapist rhymes with town?

[VioIet]

Anyway, Commander, think as you will about me, I'll just say this... Lynching either Haggis or Sensfan is not getting town anywhere. Since I'm not a cop I need to get info off the Day, and I'm not getting that by lynching Sensfan. Thus I'm trying to lynch Dazerazer, the person who claims to have a mental disease and is being so vague about her role I don't know what to believe. And then there's you who is being her protective angel or something, OMGUS'ing everyone who votes for Daze before she even gets the chance. Maybe I'll retreat the point about dedicating D2 to TheHerk with this kind of responses... Are you Daze's doctor or something?

Oh now this is good!! Aage, what did Commander 9 say about you? Please quote and reference the page number. Thanks in advance

Also why do people jump all over me for mentioning the obvious- that herk is dazey’s doctor, yet aage seems to get a pass. Some of you are biased.

now lets get real, have you even read all the posts i made like since forever saying that i believe that in the best case scenario daze might be a misguided townie today, but that might change overnight, making her dangerous to town, etc... anyway, now that she said that her character is a rapist, i feel even better about voting her, in what twisted game theme rapist rhymes with town?

I have no idea, but I don’t think she is lying. Who in their right mind would want to admit to that, and who would give away more info than necessary? And how does knowing that really change anything, than what she’s been saying for the last 20 pages or so? It was probably a funny little twist squirrel added to the game to explain her temporary role blocking abilities.
I have never really addressed one of your arguments (well except for the personal ones)- so I don’t know how you get the basis that I’m skimming through your posts. I just said I think you are mafia. That’s all

And edocsil
You seemed to be against the Dazey bandwagon. You advised me to switch my vote to sens, so I could prevent Dazey’s lynch, since my arguments are falling on deaf ears. Its good advice, and I wish I could prevent her lynch, as everyone can obviously tell. However it would be a bit hypocritical for me to vote for sens at the moment. I’d only be doing it to prevent Dazey from being lynched, not because I’m convinced he’s mafia. If he were mafia, he’d be more interested in the game, imo.

But edoc, you were against dazey's lynch, saying we would not be getting any info from it yet now suddenly you vote her, when you see you can't prevent it. I don’t think you are mafia yet, but seriously, what happened? It seems as contradicting as haggis.

I think maybe some of those voting her are perhaps worried that she will roleblock them. She already said who’d she block. Guess the mafia are trying to prevent that.

It does bother me that a townie who is active in the game, and really wants to play, and get at least one laugh in her miserable days- plus has helpful town abilities, is going to be lynched, in comparison to some who do nothing and really don’t want to play at all. But nothing more I can do at this point

[Haggis_McMutton]

But edoc, you were against dazey's lynch, saying we would not be getting any info from it yet now suddenly you vote her, when you see you can't prevent it. I don’t think you are mafia yet, but seriously, what happened? It seems as contradicting as haggis.

...

It does bother me that a townie who is active in the game, and really wants to play, and get at least one laugh in her miserable days- plus has helpful town abilities, is going to be lynched, in comparison to some who do nothing and really don’t want to play at all. But nothing more I can do at this point

Are you actually trying to play the emotion card? Wow, it's a mafia game.

Also, perhaps you should respond to my rebuttal(which I'm sure you read, since you don't skim) before you keep saying i contradicted myself.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

flores (1) - freezie,
aage (1) - fircoal,
dazerazer (9) - saxlad, iliad, aage, flores, TG, ga7, jace, haggis, edocsil
the herk (1) - naxus,
nag (1) - pmc
sensfan (5) - herk, blake, thez, /, stefunny
jace (1) - nag
haggis (3) - karel, daze, violet

16 to lynch.
1.5 hours until deadline. Though I don't think it will change at all.

[sensfan]

vote daze