Crusades Mafia The English and a Survior Win!

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Ah that makes much more sense.

-Tails

[TheSaxlad]

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vote victor

[Commander9]

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vote victor

Vote TheSaxlad.

From what I've seen, neither Tails nor Vioiet look too scummy to me. However, Sax is swinging around point blame to everyone and that's a bit inconsistent, thus he's the person I vote for.

[Fircoal]

Hmmm, saxlad, thats the third time you've changed your vote within the last two pages.

Major FOS Saxlad

Only reason I'm not voting you is because I assume you read your role, unlike fircoal.

If I didn't read my role then how would I know if I was scum or town? I wouldn't. So you couldn't call me scum based off my actions

Keeping my vote on Fircoal for flawed logic.

I think this may be in particular, a third party scum lyncher tell.

First off, why would you not read your role?

Second, if you didn't read your role- why would you vote for someone, as you would really have no idea who's a townie or not. It's just an aimless vote- and you would have no idea whether it is helping to progress the gameplay or not. Also if you don't know for sure whether you are a townie or not- how could you even be motivated to help the town?


No one knows who is the mafia right now, except for the mafia of course. But at least if you know you are a townie, you automatically have some sort of motivation for helping the town and trying to find out who is mafia. Therefore, with any vote you cast- whether joking or not, it is still helping to progress the game and possibly find signs of scummish behavior from people.

So as you said, since you didn't read your role, you don't know if you are a townie. So then what is your motivation for voting? Perhaps you are really trying to deceive the town?

So you are purely acting as an independent agent right now? That just seems so serial killerish.

Still FOS sax.....lad, but at the moment i think fir is more suspicious then you. Only slightly though.

Alright, everyone but colton has read their role. He hasn't been on in over 10 days so I think I will need a replacement.

hmmm? I didn't read it...

But now I did, and fir2mzel.

[Fircoal]

Following on from my last post I had a chance to search someone before the game started, one of edocs twists i spose, and i wanted a scum tell so I searched tails.

His motives are for the town. Not against.

This is my reasoning, plus VioIet seems to be wanting tails off pretty bad, perhaps she got what i did as a scum?

Im not a raving loony trust me on this one.

then well very

Unvote: tails

[TheSaxlad]

Commander, if I was scum I would have seen that tails is town and would not have kicked up a fuss now would I?

Think about it.

[Victor Sullivan]

Alright Saxlad, your claim seems legit, so I'll unvote, but I don't understand your thinking behind voting me. I said two things:

Wait a minute Fircoal and Illiad.

Why the sudden votes on Tails? Are you voting tails for suggesting no lynch?

Because no lynch was naxus' idea.

So then if you are basing your vote purely on that, why not vote naxus then, instead of tails?

Had to be some reason why you chose tail over naxus?

They're probably voting Tails because he's agreeing w/ Naxus. He shouldn't have. It's stupid to suggest, but it's probably more stupid to agree.

Yeah, especially since naxus didn't actually vote no lynch. Unvote vote Tails. Silly mistake, bro...

and

lol well I don't think its n00bish. What's n00bish is lynching a townie D1 because of an imagined scumtell. We have no idea how many scum vs. townies there are, so the most likely outcome of a lynch is a townie. What's scummy is Vic BW'ing.

-Tails

You're gonna pin that on anyone who makes the third or fourth vote. I at least made another justification for my vote. I feel like you're desperately attempting to divert attention from yourself. My vote stands.

-Sully

I don't understand why the gunning for me. Voting no lynch was a legitimate reason to vote for Tails, three other people did. And Tails' BW accusation was just an attempt to save his ass, and I called him out on it. I am not against accepting believable enough information for Tails' innocence, so I unvoted. I don't see why TheSaxlad would risk himself otherwise.

-Sully

[aage]

I also am surprised on the twist that TheSaxLad is taking. If I read correctly what he states in his posts, he *knows* Tailgunner is pro-town, and next thing we know we should be following him into a blind bandwagon on Victor? Been there done that I'd say, we BW "randomly" into Victor a lot and it often gets us nowhere.

I'll see another post from VioIet before I start unvoting and doing all the other fancy stuff, but I'll be keeping this in mind.

[Thezzaruz]

I also am surprised on the twist that TheSaxLad is taking. If I read correctly what he states in his posts, he *knows* Tailgunner is pro-town, and next thing we know we should be following him into a blind bandwagon on Victor?

The "*knows*" part is great though, exactly the kind of stuff we want on D1. Gives us something to come back and compare against if/when we get a more definitive result on TG. Not that I'm overly convinced that Saxlad can be trusted but still.

[Commander9]

Commander, if I was scum I would have seen that tails is town and would not have kicked up a fuss now would I?

Think about it.

Perhaps after noticing that you were not able to get rid of one, you decided to do a full swing towards another perhaps taking along a vote or two which may get that lynch?

I'm not saying that you are one of the scum, but you do seem a bit too inconsistent without any concrete proofs.

[edocsil]

Lets keep up the activity guys.

[Victor Sullivan]

Vote Commander9 Didn't appreciate your comment: it added nothing. It just agreed with the two people above you. I could say something similar about Thez, but his post seems less scummy. There you have it folks, call me crazy if you will, but I think it's enough to go on for D1. And why hasn't Vio posted anything (recently)??

[VioIet]

And why hasn't Vio posted anything (recently)??
I just posted yesterday, and have been fairly active.

There really isn't much for me to say except that I don't trust sax..lad. He's just been too much of a flipper. Nor do I think Victor is scummy. Also sax...lad seems to mix me and victor up- and i certainly don't appreciate the mix-up there. He is trying to make me look scummy for no reason.

Fircoal wrote:

edocsil wrote:Alright, everyone but colton has read their role. He hasn't been on in over 10 days so I think I will need a replacement.

hmmm? I didn't read it...

But now I did, and fir2mzel.

I suppose this makes my argument against Fircoal null and void. Darn

[Victor Sullivan]

And why hasn't Vio posted anything (recently)??
I just posted yesterday, and have been fairly active.

I didn't say that. FOS VioIet for misquoting me.

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Uhhh not to be too picky, but are you all sure you are thinking of strategy within the context of the current game? I mean yeah scum wouldn't usually stick up for each other, but this isn't just Town vs. Scum, it's an elaborate faction game, we have no idea what kind of win conditions scum may have, it could be anything from lyncher, to cult recruitment, or even specific survival.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Hmm, that's a fair point.

Also, is not revealing that you've got an investigative role just to save a townie generally a bad idea?

Sax, didn't you think you'd get targeted tonight for revealing that?

[VioIet]

And why hasn't Vio posted anything (recently)??
I just posted yesterday, and have been fairly active.

I didn't say that. FOS VioIet for misquoting me.

Oops sorry Victor. Sigh I jump on sax for misrepresenting me and now I misrepresent Victor.

Here is my EDPOB


[quote="Victor Sullivan"]And why hasn't Vio posted anything (recently)??
/quote]

I was the one who said "I just posted yesterday, and have been fairly active."

I still seem to have a difficult time with that quote button

[VioIet]

Important Announcement
Going out of Town Now
Will be back Sunday.

May or may not be able to post before then. Just letting you guys know, just in case.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Important Announcement
Going out of Town Now
Will be back Sunday.

May or may not be able to post before then. Just letting you guys know, just in case.

Ok, she's gone.

Now we can talk behind her back.

[naxus]

[sarcasm]Kill vio While shes gone? Anyone?[/sarcasm]

[TheSaxlad]

Hmm, that's a fair point.

Also, is not revealing that you've got an investigative role just to save a townie generally a bad idea?

Sax, didn't you think you'd get targeted tonight for revealing that?

Yeah. But hey.

[aage]

/rant

Seriously, we're not waiting for vioIet here are we?

Also, is not revealing that you've got an investigative role just to save a townie generally a bad idea?

Er, yes. A very bad idea. Rather let the towny die then get yourself killed instead. Especially if it's a random vt or some uninteresting role that is inferior to your own investigative skills. It all comes down to this: never trust the doc. You don't know who he is, so you can't trust him.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

unvote vote Jace22

Scummarining. Only has 4 posts. His first 2 were in/confirm, and 3rd was a joke vote. His only serious vote was:

Yeah I agree with aage with this. VioIet I'm pretty sure you should assume someone knows what their role is
unvote vote VioIet.
Also, can we get a vote update

Which is really an easy point to make against Violet with her ridiculous "fir didn't read his role" theory, so he appears to be contributing to the thread. I'm thinking scum or 3rd party especially, to fly under the radar.

-Tails

[TheSaxlad]

unvote vote jace22

for reasons above, and we need a kill.

[Victor Sullivan]

unvote vote Jace22

Scummarining. Only has 4 posts. His first 2 were in/confirm, and 3rd was a joke vote. His only serious vote was:

Yeah I agree with aage with this. VioIet I'm pretty sure you should assume someone knows what their role is
unvote vote VioIet.
Also, can we get a vote update

Which is really an easy point to make against Violet with her ridiculous "fir didn't read his role" theory, so he appears to be contributing to the thread. I'm thinking scum or 3rd party especially, to fly under the radar.

-Tails

Tails makes a good point, and I think it's the best we have to go off of right now. Unvote, vote Jace22. I think it's role-claim time, scummariner

-Sully