Playpark mafia Game Thread OVER - FRENCHIE WINS AS SK

by **ga7** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:35 pm

aage wrote:Check out page 6, I see at least 3 positive reactions towards lynching a Jester. Hence I disagree with Victor voting Squirrel for putting said Jester at L-1.

The previous pages are more relevant though since Colton had already hammered himself then. It is weird for Squirrel to put him at L-1 when he should know better, but he didn't leave clues as to what he was thinking contrary to Fir... Particularly looking at these posts:

Fircoal wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Mummy says colton is vote jumping with no reasoning at all.

unground ground colton

It seems odd, even for Colton. I'm having a suspicion that it's some type of pr of some kind may be Pmc because he's a dick but I have no idea.

spiesr wrote:
colton24 wrote:unground, ground Mr. Squirell for having a PR
Are you some sort of freaking jester?

Fircoal wrote:Unvote Vote: Colton Colt is acting stranger than usual. Since we don't really have much to go on I like the idea of lynching Colton. It should provide us with some information and stop all this vote hopping from happening :3

I mean it was pretty damn obvious at that point and Fir would know better but instead adds another vote with a total BS mysterious reason when jester was already mentionned by spiesr...

Unground Ground Fircoal

by **Fircoal** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:54 pm

ga7 wrote:
aage wrote:Check out page 6, I see at least 3 positive reactions towards lynching a Jester. Hence I disagree with Victor voting Squirrel for putting said Jester at L-1.

The previous pages are more relevant though since Colton had already hammered himself then. It is weird for Squirrel to put him at L-1 when he should know better, but he didn't leave clues as to what he was thinking contrary to Fir... Particularly looking at these posts:

Fircoal wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Mummy says colton is vote jumping with no reasoning at all.

unground ground colton

It seems odd, even for Colton. I'm having a suspicion that it's some type of pr of some kind may be Pmc because he's a dick but I have no idea.

spiesr wrote:
colton24 wrote:unground, ground Mr. Squirell for having a PR
Are you some sort of freaking jester?

Fircoal wrote:Unvote Vote: Colton Colt is acting stranger than usual. Since we don't really have much to go on I like the idea of lynching Colton. It should provide us with some information and stop all this vote hopping from happening :3

I mean it was pretty damn obvious at that point and Fir would know better but instead adds another vote with a total BS mysterious reason when jester was already mentionned by spiesr...

Unground Ground Fircoal

Honestly it was not obvious to me at all. I wasn't thinking of him being the jester role. Though honestly I don't even think I was thinking much

The day didn't have much and Colton was being annoying with his vote hopping, he seemed as good as any to get rid of. I mean it's not like anyone else seemed that scummy to me. Why not vote the annoyance? Besides as I said after getting rid of the jester is good as it serves as one less distraction.

by **safariguy5** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:33 pm

ga7 wrote:But voting a jester off when you know he was one is most definitely scummy, hence my vote on the Chu at the beginning of day that I still think is a valid point.
Scum absolutely want to lynch jester because:
-Town loses a day
-They have the excuse to vote someone with a scummy behavior that is not themselves
-Meanwhile they are not under any suspicion
So not only is it bad because if you recognize one he doesn't deserve his win IMO, it is bad because it renders a day absolutely useless for t own. I need to reread since I don't remember Squirrel being as obvious as Fir in that colton affair.

That's one way of looking at it, but I've never played in a game with a jester before, but I do know that day 1 mostly boils down to bw someone and hoping to get lucky/a role claim. At least we didn't accidentally oust a doc or a cop with a somewhat random bw day 1 by killing the jester. Hopefully, we had a productive night with the investigative roles and mafia didn't get any information on who to target. It all depends on how you want to interpret lynching a jester. That said, I think that for anyone to make a big deal over who voted when on colton is a moot point because he really was acting really scummy.

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:42 pm

aage wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:
aage wrote:colton didn't reveal, but there were people mentioning Jester. You have to reread day 1 to get that right. I suggest you do that now. First few pages. All Colton was doing was jumping votes and OMGUS'ing, and spiesr mentioned "are you some kind of freaking jester", to which colton replied negative. Logically. So yeah, I think Squirrel was somewhat aware that Colton might have been a jester.

And still. If you're accusing the guy who put him at L-1, how about the guys that put him at L-2-3-4 etc? Cause 6 votes on 1 guy are not put there by chance. Only accusing the 6th guy is just strange.

Eh, think what you will. My vote stands... for justice.

And yet you're not explaining why you think this "bandwagoning" makes Squirrel scummy. That's what I want to hear from you. Do I need to ask you directly?

My daddy bought me a tricycle.
Victor just likes to vote me for no reason in mafia games he is in with me. I have no idea why... If you look in the 'forgotten roles' game he is doing it there too.

by **spiesr** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:54 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:*checks his PM* *realizes it got deleted* *actually remembers his role* I'm the man of the couple. Won't say with whom, unless you force me too, which wouldn't seem wise to me.

Can you elaborate on this in any way? Are you saying that you are part of a set of lovers? Or mason? Or something else entirely? I am not sure that I entirely believe what you have claimed. Of course, if you have a partner they could verify this, although I am not entirely sure that they should at this point. Of course if you are lovers and you either get lynched today because no-one believed you, or killed tonight because they did believe you then your partner having remained secret won't have helped them anyway.
At this point I am not really sure what to make of you. As time goes on your play seems less scummy and more just generically bad. This makes it difficult to get a read on what your allegiance may or may not be. Can you try to improve your play?

ga7 wrote:I mean it was pretty damn obvious at that point and Fir would know better but instead adds another vote with a total BS mysterious reason when jester was already mentionned by spiesr...

I am a little confused as to why you cast suspicion on people for voting for the jester. To me it seems that while the lynch may be in effect wasted, most people would want to eliminate the player who appears to be the jester, especially on day 1 when there is little else to work with. When someone goes jester, it seems to me that the most logical progression of events is that the town will use up that day killing them off. While the scum are likely to take advantage of this, I don't really see how going along with the inevitable in this particular circumstance can really be used to base an accusation of someone on. It looks to me as if, at least in this community, most players will just lynch the apparent jester just to get rid of them, regardless of their own alignment.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:47 pm

spiesr wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:*checks his PM* *realizes it got deleted* *actually remembers his role* I'm the man of the couple. Won't say with whom, unless you force me too, which wouldn't seem wise to me.
Can you elaborate on this in any way? Are you saying that you are part of a set of lovers? Or mason? Or something else entirely? I am not sure that I entirely believe what you have claimed. Of course, if you have a partner they could verify this, although I am not entirely sure that they should at this point. Of course if you are lovers and you either get lynched today because no-one believed you, or killed tonight because they did believe you then your partner having remained secret won't have helped them anyway.
At this point I am not really sure what to make of you. As time goes on your play seems less scummy and more just generically bad. This makes it difficult to get a read on what your allegiance may or may not be. Can you try to improve your play?

Thanks, I'm flattered. I don't know wtf a mason is so I can assure you I'm not one. I be a lover. Now would you people kindly back off so you don't cause the town a double-kill? Thanks

by **Fircoal** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:57 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:*checks his PM* *realizes it got deleted* *actually remembers his role* I'm the man of the couple. Won't say with whom, unless you force me too, which wouldn't seem wise to me.
Can you elaborate on this in any way? Are you saying that you are part of a set of lovers? Or mason? Or something else entirely? I am not sure that I entirely believe what you have claimed. Of course, if you have a partner they could verify this, although I am not entirely sure that they should at this point. Of course if you are lovers and you either get lynched today because no-one believed you, or killed tonight because they did believe you then your partner having remained secret won't have helped them anyway.
At this point I am not really sure what to make of you. As time goes on your play seems less scummy and more just generically bad. This makes it difficult to get a read on what your allegiance may or may not be. Can you try to improve your play?

Thanks, I'm flattered. I don't know wtf a mason is so I can assure you I'm not one. I be a lover. Now would you people kindly back off so you don't cause the town a double-kill? Thanks

lovers are usually paired with scum...

by **Victor Sullivan** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:01 pm

Fircoal wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:*checks his PM* *realizes it got deleted* *actually remembers his role* I'm the man of the couple. Won't say with whom, unless you force me too, which wouldn't seem wise to me.
Can you elaborate on this in any way? Are you saying that you are part of a set of lovers? Or mason? Or something else entirely? I am not sure that I entirely believe what you have claimed. Of course, if you have a partner they could verify this, although I am not entirely sure that they should at this point. Of course if you are lovers and you either get lynched today because no-one believed you, or killed tonight because they did believe you then your partner having remained secret won't have helped them anyway.
At this point I am not really sure what to make of you. As time goes on your play seems less scummy and more just generically bad. This makes it difficult to get a read on what your allegiance may or may not be. Can you try to improve your play?

Thanks, I'm flattered. I don't know wtf a mason is so I can assure you I'm not one. I be a lover. Now would you people kindly back off so you don't cause the town a double-kill? Thanks

lovers are usually paired with scum...

What?!? You can't be serious.

by **safariguy5** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:51 pm

safariguy5 wrote:
ga7 wrote:But voting a jester off when you know he was one is most definitely scummy, hence my vote on the Chu at the beginning of day that I still think is a valid point.
Scum absolutely want to lynch jester because:
-Town loses a day
-They have the excuse to vote someone with a scummy behavior that is not themselves
-Meanwhile they are not under any suspicion
So not only is it bad because if you recognize one he doesn't deserve his win IMO, it is bad because it renders a day absolutely useless for t own. I need to reread since I don't remember Squirrel being as obvious as Fir in that colton affair.

That's one way of looking at it, but I've never played in a game with a jester before, but I do know that day 1 mostly boils down to bw someone and hoping to get lucky/a role claim. At least we didn't accidentally oust a doc or a cop with a somewhat random bw day 1 by killing the jester. Hopefully, we had a productive night with the investigative roles and mafia didn't get any information on who to target. It all depends on how you want to interpret lynching a jester. That said, I think that for anyone to make a big deal over who voted when on colton is a moot point because he really was acting really scummy.

Mummy says...what I said up there.

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:26 pm

Fircoal wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:*checks his PM* *realizes it got deleted* *actually remembers his role* I'm the man of the couple. Won't say with whom, unless you force me too, which wouldn't seem wise to me.
Can you elaborate on this in any way? Are you saying that you are part of a set of lovers? Or mason? Or something else entirely? I am not sure that I entirely believe what you have claimed. Of course, if you have a partner they could verify this, although I am not entirely sure that they should at this point. Of course if you are lovers and you either get lynched today because no-one believed you, or killed tonight because they did believe you then your partner having remained secret won't have helped them anyway.
At this point I am not really sure what to make of you. As time goes on your play seems less scummy and more just generically bad. This makes it difficult to get a read on what your allegiance may or may not be. Can you try to improve your play?

Thanks, I'm flattered. I don't know wtf a mason is so I can assure you I'm not one. I be a lover. Now would you people kindly back off so you don't cause the town a double-kill? Thanks

lovers are usually paired with scum...

Well, not in my games, but in a lot of games they are. So fircoal, are suggesting we lynch victor?

by **aage** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:39 am

I suggest we push for Victor to tell us who he's in love with.

by **ga7** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:58 am

Fircoal wrote:Though honestly I don't even think I was thinking much

Gee, thanks for killing my argument in a very credible way Chu

Pffff I still can't believe you couldn't see it, you're the only mod that has been consistently using and abusing of jesters -_-

spiesr wrote:I am a little confused as to why you cast suspicion on people for voting for the jester. To me it seems that while the lynch may be in effect wasted, most people would want to eliminate the player who appears to be the jester, especially on day 1 when there is little else to work with. When someone goes jester, it seems to me that the most logical progression of events is that the town will use up that day killing them off. While the scum are likely to take advantage of this, I don't really see how going along with the inevitable in this particular circumstance can really be used to base an accusation of someone on. It looks to me as if, at least in this community, most players will just lynch the apparent jester just to get rid of them, regardless of their own alignment.

Uh, most games where a jester successfully got lynched people were pretty pissed off in general, I'm kinda surprised that everyone here seem to accept that as "inevitable" as you put it. The most common way to get rid of a Jester is by vig at night, or a JOAT, etc. While you have a point that town doesn't reveal anything either, it's quite a big advantage for mafia to basically start the game at night, making night 1 night 0 and day 2 day 1. An extra night is useful for investigative roles sure, but it mostly means that all other actions are random and the odds are in scum's favor to not be hindered or even targeted.

Fircoal wrote:lovers are usually paired with scum...

Been a while since I saw that pairing but with the size of the game you might actually be on to something.

by **aage** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:32 am

by the way...

Victor Sullivan wrote:
Fircoal wrote:lovers are usually paired with scum...

What?!? You can't be serious.

Does this sound like a denial to anyone? Not to me leastways.

by **Fircoal** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:13 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:*checks his PM* *realizes it got deleted* *actually remembers his role* I'm the man of the couple. Won't say with whom, unless you force me too, which wouldn't seem wise to me.
Can you elaborate on this in any way? Are you saying that you are part of a set of lovers? Or mason? Or something else entirely? I am not sure that I entirely believe what you have claimed. Of course, if you have a partner they could verify this, although I am not entirely sure that they should at this point. Of course if you are lovers and you either get lynched today because no-one believed you, or killed tonight because they did believe you then your partner having remained secret won't have helped them anyway.
At this point I am not really sure what to make of you. As time goes on your play seems less scummy and more just generically bad. This makes it difficult to get a read on what your allegiance may or may not be. Can you try to improve your play?

Thanks, I'm flattered. I don't know wtf a mason is so I can assure you I'm not one. I be a lover. Now would you people kindly back off so you don't cause the town a double-kill? Thanks

lovers are usually paired with scum...

What?!? You can't be serious.

I be serious

by **Fircoal** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:16 am

ga7 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:Though honestly I don't even think I was thinking much

Gee, thanks for killing my argument in a very credible way Chu Pffff I still can't believe you couldn't see it, you're the only mod that has been consistently using and abusing of jesters -_-
Fircoal wrote:lovers are usually paired with scum...

Been a while since I saw that pairing but with the size of the game you might actually be on to something.

Yes I am, but hey meh

It's been a while since I've seen it too, but with Victor saying he's a lover and being that it's a smaller game that in which lovers are normally I don't see any reason why PMC would make both lovers town.

by **pmchugh** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:25 pm

Vote Count

Squirrel 2- Sully, freeezie
Sully 3- aage, speisr, sarifguy
The chu 1- ga7

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:39 pm

Fircoal wrote:
ga7 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:Though honestly I don't even think I was thinking much

Gee, thanks for killing my argument in a very credible way Chu Pffff I still can't believe you couldn't see it, you're the only mod that has been consistently using and abusing of jesters -_-
Fircoal wrote:lovers are usually paired with scum...

Been a while since I saw that pairing but with the size of the game you might actually be on to something.

Yes I am, but hey meh

It's been a while since I've seen it too, but with Victor saying he's a lover and being that it's a smaller game that in which lovers are normally I don't see any reason why PMC would make both lovers town.

I'm tempted to ask who his lover is. If we know, it will be easier to decide if its a scum/town pairing or just town

by **spiesr** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:42 pm

Mr. Squirrel wrote:I'm tempted to ask who his lover is. If we know, it will be easier to decide if its a scum/town pairing or just town

How do you come to this conclusion?

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:55 pm

spiesr wrote:
Mr. Squirrel wrote:I'm tempted to ask who his lover is. If we know, it will be easier to decide if its a scum/town pairing or just town
How do you come to this conclusion?

Well, if we look back on that person's posts and it seems plausible that they could have scummy motives, we lynch. If they check out as town, we trust him for now.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:16 pm

I don't remember who my lover is :oops:

Idk what to tell you...

by **safariguy5** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:47 pm

Mummy says, I mean, if his lover is town, the other person should have no problem speaking up right now.

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:06 pm

Mr. Squirrel wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Mr. Squirrel wrote:I'm tempted to ask who his lover is. If we know, it will be easier to decide if its a scum/town pairing or just town
How do you come to this conclusion?

Well, if we look back on that person's posts and it seems plausible that they could have scummy motives, we lynch. If they check out as town, we trust him for now.

Daddy bought me something or another. EBWOP

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:07 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:I don't remember who my lover is Idk what to tell you...

Alright. Now I'm calling this fake. How can you not remember your lover?!

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:08 pm

Mr. Squirrel wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:I don't remember who my lover is Idk what to tell you...

Daddy bought me junk. Alright. Now I'm calling this fake. How can you not remember your lover?!

EBWOP. stupid pr...

by **freezie** on Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:32 pm

I..don't know what tot hink of Victor right now.

With the way he has been acting recently..I almost beleive him to be a second jester..-.-

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