Dragon Age Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Town Wins at L or L

[safariguy5]

Well if the other mafia didn't realize it till it was too late.And if the other members have only played a few games they might not know to ask the mod about possible changes.

Lets say i was a little paranoid and may have jumped the gun. Regrettable but cant be undone.

This seems like a pretty odd reason to hit MeDeFe. With the town NK's (your's and sens) we've hit 1 mafia and 1 town. I'm just saying that NKing someone because of past history isn't particularly compelling, but if it was a one-shot like you say, then this should be a non-issue.

how is it a non-issue?

One shot NK means he won't be killing someone else and won't have a friendly fire problem.

1) I think you missed (skimmed over) the part where he posted he had a another kill.

2) It still can determine his scumminess, because it sounds fishy in a way, however I do believe him to be town.

Oh yeah huh, it was a EBWOP. One thing though, if colton was killed twice and one of them was a day scene, then someone had a daykill too. Did anyone do that?

[edocsil]

Raises Hand*

I forgot to put that in the night scene, totally my bad....

[aage]

Day Scene

A hideous shriek echoes through the morning mist. Someone, or something, has died. The defenders of Ostagar look around but can find no source of the piercing cry. Moral is low among the defenders as rumors of death, treachery and sorrow spread.

This might have been the first shot @ Colton. Just saying.

[aage]

First, unvote.

Second, I'm not buying Naxus' claim just yet. Also I don't see why killing MeDeFe was a good idea at the time. Lastly I'm not buying Edoc gave him another shot. That makes it enough reason for me to vote Naxus until further notice. Just saying "i jumped the gun, i was paranoid" doesn't work when the person you shoot didn't do anything that could possibly have made you paranoid.

Except...
MeDeFe hasn't really posted very much. All I know is that he/she's been voting jrl before sealing no-lynches. I think it's wise to see whatever Naxus' role is (I don't think we'll miss any of the NK ability guys, since everyone has NK these days). If I'm right and he's a mafia guy ducking for cover, I'd like to look into fircoal. If not, well, now's the chance to tell us why not, Naxus.

[sensfan]

vote naxus as well.

[edocsil]

Votes

Naxus (2) Sensfan, aage
Wercool (2) Safariguy, Mr. Squirrel
Firecoal (1) Naxus

With 7 alive takes 4 to lynch.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Votes

Naxus (2) Sensfan, aage
Wercool (2) Safariguy, Mr. Squirrel
Firecoal (1) Naxus

With 7 alive takes 4 to lynch.

fixed.

Hey naxus, care to explain to us how you got a second kill? That might help clear up your role a lil bit.

[edocsil]

Votes

Naxus (2) Sensfan, aage
Wercool (2) Safariguy, Mr. Squirrel
Firecoal (1) Naxus

With 7 alive takes 4 to lynch.

fixed.

Hey naxus, care to explain to us how you got a second kill? That might help clear up your role a lil bit.

Fixed what?

Btw, thanks.

[naxus]

Votes

Naxus (2) Sensfan, aage
Wercool (2) Safariguy, Mr. Squirrel
Firecoal (1) Naxus

With 7 alive takes 4 to lynch.

fixed.

Hey naxus, care to explain to us how you got a second kill? That might help clear up your role a lil bit.

My second NK ability was given to me on the beggining of day three. With the deaths of morrigan and alistar i gained the second kill. My role is Logain. Im a third Party Survivor. I win if the Archdemon is dead and i survive till the end. I believe the archdemon is the Mafia GF but i could be wrong

Also

1. jrl332005 Replaced By Fircoal - I am the epicness that makes everything great great. There is no possible reason to lynch me. I'm as pro-town as pro-town gets.

2. Mr. Squirrel - While his actions seem somewhat strange to me I wouldn't really call him scum. He's done quite a bit to try to make the game active but hasn't really provided much either. I have a feeling that he could be scum but he also seems pro-town.

7. Safariguy5 - He's sharing a bit but I think he could be saying more. While he doesn't seem to be as quiet as Nazus, he seemed pretty eager to no lynch and have another night phase:

Umm...unless anyone has any investigative information, should we no lynch again? I really don't know what everyone's abilities who died were so I can't try to infer anything.

Yeah ionno, about jrl, maybe we could just modkill him and go to night?

Sounds scummy to me

8. Naxus - Seems to not really want to contribute much. He hasn't really many any attempt to try to finger anyone or find any scumtells. I personally think he's playing carefully because he's scum. However I also feel that he could be a townie with a boring role and isn't that emotionally invested.

9. Aage - Seems useful and pro-town to me. Not much more than that.

10. Wercool - Hasn't posted much and for sure as a night action that involves pming (though thinking about that, that could be anything). His lack of posting and lack of trying to find information seems scummy to me. Sort of like Naxus but less blatant with it.

11. Sensfan - Pro-town and no reason to believe that he's not.

Game: Considering there are 12 players in this game it is likely that there are 3 or 4 mafia members. Now being a mod I'd more likely put in 3 mafia members and some roles like SK but it's possible that he made it 4 and put in a bunch of townie power-roles. If there are only 3 mafia members and an SK (if there even is one) we are in no danger as if we mislynch we not only get the chance that the two crosskill each other but we'll end up able to lynch one of them the next day, and then have Sen kill the other. If there is no SK then we're in an even better situation as we basically have 2 mislynchs that we can do. If there are 4 mafia there will likely not be an SK as that would be too many baddies against the town. Especially considering the dead townies aren't super strong I highly doubt an SK. That means that we have a mislynch that would be very important to use so we can make a rational judgement the next day if we miss. In any of these scenarios we have to make sure that Sens does not shoot the next night. Since we don't know how many mafia there are, if he hits wrong he could lose us the game. D:

I am personally suspicious of Mr. Squirrel, Safari, Naxus, and Wercool. I think that Squirrel is trying more than the other three and thusly shouldn't be our first choice. I'd go with Wercool or Naxus first mainly because they seem to have the least amount of things to be said, however I think that Safari may have the biggest scumtell with the quotes I brought up, but still that's not very big.

As you say in your list, naxus, wercool, and I haven't been saying much. The reason I haven't been saying much is that the thread wasn't progressing. If you read through the days, it was pretty bland, not much voting or discussion. Now that we finally have some pikachu discussion, at least I can contribute more. In terms of naxus or wercool, I want to lean towards wercool because naxus claimed killing MeDeFe. Sounds reasonably honest about the mistake, and I'm willing to take him at that. I don't really buy the mafia godfather inactivity either, when I've modded, mafia would let me know who to kill, it wasn't exclusively the godfather.

unvote vote wercool

in response to this it could be both ways. Certain mods do it where the mafia talk and the GodFather Alone Sends in the Kill or some mods do it where anyone on the mafia can send in the kill. We just don't know. Thats why the inactivity thing is the only loophole. If its true that only the GodFather can send in the kill then thats where JRL inactive becomes plausible

Also on killing medefe, if you read through the Eragon game thread a while back you might understand my paranoia about him/her a little better.

[Mr. Squirrel]

My second NK ability was given to me on the beggining of day three. With the deaths of morrigan and alistar i gained the second kill.

Ummm morrigan (sensfan) is still alive.

Also on killing medefe, if you read through the Eragon game thread a while back you might understand my paranoia about him/her a little better

So you killed him because he played well in a different game? I'm sorry but that is a horrible excuse. That is extremely poor judgment on your part. Especially considering what he turned out to be.

[naxus]

My second NK ability was given to me on the beggining of day three. With the deaths of morrigan and alistar i gained the second kill.

Ummm morrigan (sensfan) is still alive.

Sorry meant Leilani not morrigan

Also on killing medefe, if you read through the Eragon game thread a while back you might understand my paranoia about him/her a little better

So you killed him because he played well in a different game? I'm sorry but that is a horrible excuse. That is extremely poor judgment on your part. Especially considering what he turned out to be.

Little paranoia with some suspicious activity. Sorry but not alot we can do now

[Fircoal]

My second NK ability was given to me on the beggining of day three. With the deaths of morrigan and alistar i gained the second kill.

Ummm morrigan (sensfan) is still alive.

Sorry meant Leilani not morrigan

Also on killing medefe, if you read through the Eragon game thread a while back you might understand my paranoia about him/her a little better

So you killed him because he played well in a different game? I'm sorry but that is a horrible excuse. That is extremely poor judgment on your part. Especially considering what he turned out to be.

Little paranoia with some suspicious activity. Sorry but not alot we can do now

I personally don't understand why Leilani being dead would give you another kill. Morrigan and Alistar make more sense as killing roles but even then it's confusing. I'm kinda interested in the fact that you said Morrigan and not Leilani, it may be small but I think it could be a freudian slip of some kind...

[Fircoal]

vote naxus as well.

any reason?

[naxus]

My second NK ability was given to me on the beggining of day three. With the deaths of morrigan and alistar i gained the second kill.

Ummm morrigan (sensfan) is still alive.

Sorry meant Leilani not morrigan

Also on killing medefe, if you read through the Eragon game thread a while back you might understand my paranoia about him/her a little better

So you killed him because he played well in a different game? I'm sorry but that is a horrible excuse. That is extremely poor judgment on your part. Especially considering what he turned out to be.

Little paranoia with some suspicious activity. Sorry but not alot we can do now

I personally don't understand why Leilani being dead would give you another kill. Morrigan and Alistar make more sense as killing roles but even then it's confusing. I'm kinda interested in the fact that you said Morrigan and not Leilani, it may be small but I think it could be a freudian slip of some kind...

With leilani and alistar dead thats two Main Characters from the story down. I dont know why i got a second kill but i'm pretty sure that only certain players can kill the Archdemon, me being one of them.

that and morrigan and leilani were both females and on the good side. Not a huge slip but a easy enough mistake

[Fircoal]

7. Safariguy5 - He's sharing a bit but I think he could be saying more. While he doesn't seem to be as quiet as Nazus, he seemed pretty eager to no lynch and have another night phase:

Umm...unless anyone has any investigative information, should we no lynch again? I really don't know what everyone's abilities who died were so I can't try to infer anything.

Yeah ionno, about jrl, maybe we could just modkill him and go to night?

Sounds scummy to me

Hey Safari, can you please comment on this?

[naxus]

vote naxus as well.

Also is there any explanation behind this? Besides just voting without saying "I agree with such and such" or " I disagree with such and such". Votes without explanation are terrible when theres active conversation

[edocsil]

This is quality stuff. Keep it up!

[Mr. Squirrel]

My second NK ability was given to me on the beggining of day three. With the deaths of morrigan and alistar i gained the second kill.

Ummm morrigan (sensfan) is still alive.

Sorry meant Leilani not morrigan

Also on killing medefe, if you read through the Eragon game thread a while back you might understand my paranoia about him/her a little better

So you killed him because he played well in a different game? I'm sorry but that is a horrible excuse. That is extremely poor judgment on your part. Especially considering what he turned out to be.

Little paranoia with some suspicious activity. Sorry but not alot we can do now

I personally don't understand why Leilani being dead would give you another kill. Morrigan and Alistar make more sense as killing roles but even then it's confusing. I'm kinda interested in the fact that you said Morrigan and not Leilani, it may be small but I think it could be a freudian slip of some kind...

With leilani and alistar dead thats two Main Characters from the story down. I dont know why i got a second kill but i'm pretty sure that only certain players can kill the Archdemon, me being one of them.

Well, having logain able to kill the archdemon does match up with the game. In the game there were 4 people who could kill him: The Warden, Alistair, Morrigan, and Logain. Although that only makes it more suspicious why having leliana dead would give you another kill. I know for a fact that she couldn't kill the demon in the video game so probably not in the mafia either. (Heck, she couldn't kill anything in the game. She was a sucky character.) Had you said that the warden's death and alistairs gained you a NK, that would make more sense on account that the town still needs people who could kill him.

[naxus]

While yes leliana was a sucky character( never used her in the game myself, usually replaced her) she was a member of the party. I think the main factor behind my second NK was the death of Alistar with leliana as more of a "filler" Reason

[safariguy5]

7. Safariguy5 - He's sharing a bit but I think he could be saying more. While he doesn't seem to be as quiet as Nazus, he seemed pretty eager to no lynch and have another night phase:

Umm...unless anyone has any investigative information, should we no lynch again? I really don't know what everyone's abilities who died were so I can't try to infer anything.

Yeah ionno, about jrl, maybe we could just modkill him and go to night?

Sounds scummy to me

Hey Safari, can you please comment on this?

The first quote was made before edocsil made known the roles of the dead. I had no idea whether we had lost the cop or not, and that if the cop were still alive at that point. Letting people know who was innocent would have been just as useful as finding someone who was guilty. The second comment had more to do with me being frustrated that nobody really seemed to want to talk, and I figured some sort of kill would be better than 3 straight no lynches. But since you showed up, that hasn't been a problem.

In regards to the current situation, I'm a bit confused by naxus's role claim. He's saying third party survivor, but not survivor in the true sense. It's a conditional survivor role saying that if the archdemon is dead and he lives, that he wins. I'm generally suspicious of third party survivor roles, mainly because of that star wars mafia game. Funny, I really though Logain would have been a perfect traitor role. Not sure if this warrants me switching votes as that really wouldn't add anything since the roleclaim has already been done.

[Fircoal]

7. Safariguy5 - He's sharing a bit but I think he could be saying more. While he doesn't seem to be as quiet as Nazus, he seemed pretty eager to no lynch and have another night phase:

Umm...unless anyone has any investigative information, should we no lynch again? I really don't know what everyone's abilities who died were so I can't try to infer anything.

Yeah ionno, about jrl, maybe we could just modkill him and go to night?

Sounds scummy to me

Hey Safari, can you please comment on this?

The first quote was made before edocsil made known the roles of the dead. I had no idea whether we had lost the cop or not, and that if the cop were still alive at that point. Letting people know who was innocent would have been just as useful as finding someone who was guilty. The second comment had more to do with me being frustrated that nobody really seemed to want to talk, and I figured some sort of kill would be better than 3 straight no lynches. But since you showed up, that hasn't been a problem.

That doesn't really tell me much about the scummy part of it. The thing was not that you wanted the cop to come out but rather the fact that you seemed very eager to just no lynch onto the next day.
As for the second if you wanted a lynch why not try to get him lynched instead of trying to invoke mod powers. The latter to me seems more scummy.

[safariguy5]

Well what happened in Day 3 up till the point when I made the first quote was a nice little tiff between aage and sensfan about sens' fireball. Aage backed off the accusation, I made a comment about jrl submarining and he shows up. Besides that was just some questioning about the night scene and people's abilities. Not real fertile ground for building a case against anyone since at that point no roles were known, and given the activity, didn't seem that anybody who had investigated had come out. I was trying to subtly coax anyone with useful information to help build a case, but obviously that didn't happen. I didn't explicitly vote for a no lynch, but I felt that bringing it up as a possibility was not out of line.

As for the suggestion that jrl was going to be modkilled, I based that on this quote:

I may need to kill/replace jrl, he is AWOL.

Thoughts and comments?

I really didn't think that I had a case to kill him besides the fact that he was inactive, so I viewed the lynch as basically just as weak as the case against anyone else. At least with a lynch we could see what his character was and may get a mafia while we were at it.

[aage]

Whatever Naxus tells us on Logian's powers doesn't neccesarilly have to be true.
The poor reason for NK'ing MeDeFe makes me only more suspicious, since there's no way you can link game A behaviour to game B roles. The only reason I can think of is that Naxus supposed MeDeFe a dangerous opponent, and dispatched him. Since MeDeFe was town, in order for Naxus to be his opponent, Naxus would be either solo 3rd party OR a Mafia convert (as in, the mafia converted Naxus into mafia). I wouldn't be surprised if there were roles that made the amount of Mafia larger, with all the night kill abilities in this game. Either way, we would need to get rid of him.

Still voting Naxus.

As for Sensfan's vote, I believe he just agreed to whatever I said in the post above his.

Lastly I want to note that Fircoal has been shifting the attention off Naxus' claim too fast to my liking.

[Fircoal]

Lastly I want to note that Fircoal has been shifting the attention off Naxus' claim too fast to my liking.

I'm trying to explore everything that I can. I don't personally have much to say about his claim. It's interesting and adds some suspicion to him but it's not the only thing in the game.

[sensfan]

As for Sensfan's vote, I believe he just agreed to whatever I said in the post above his.

Yes, thats right.