Dragon Age Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Town Wins at L or L

[Fircoal]

Actually i have a reason reading back trough the topic on why my votes still on fircoal but its a little shaky. Night one duday protected sensefan and sens killed foxglove. Duday was a retaliatory bodygaurd so that means either it was a bulletproof SK/Vig or the mafia did it and the retaliation was negated.

If the mafia did kill duday then that was thier kill for night one. I can claim the kill on Medefe for night 2.I'd rather not reveal my role but if you want me to let me know. Then cena and colton killed each other( coltons first life being the random day scene we had i think). So for night two the Mafia didnt send in a kill. Which to me seems pretty bad move on the mafias hand as in most games the mafia knows each other so why not take the free kill on a Anti-Mafia faction.

the only person who i can reasonably vote on would be jrl(replaced by Fircoal) who was the only one really inactive during night two. Wercool was also inactive but was given a 24hr grace period for his possible night action and responded well within the time limit. So basically i'm saying that i think Fircoal is the Mafia Godfather and that we should lynch him and see what happens.

Also just remebered that all votes have to be in red so to seal the deal Vote Fircoal
Any holes in my argument please point out.

yes there are holes.

1) How do you know that jrl didn't send in his night action. I'm not sure about his case but I believe he was around some but honestly I have no idea.

2) Any mafia member can send in the kill, it does not have to be the godfather. Thusly if there is a 4th mafia member he/she could have sent in the kill.

3) The mafia could have targeted the same person that you did which makes it look like that they didn't kill. I've seen this happen before in my games. There are some games were all the cult, vig and mafia all piled on the same player (Winner (3?) Mafia x3)

4) I have to say, it seems kinda odd for the mod to put two killing roles on the town's side. Personally it looks like you're trying to use your mafia kill and play as a vig like role to try to get to accuse someone inactive. Please say more though, it could help the town.

[Fircoal]

2. Mr. Squirrel - While his actions seem somewhat strange to me I wouldn't really call him scum. He's done quite a bit to try to make the game active but hasn't really provided much either. I have a feeling that he could be scum but he also seems pro-town.

Well this is a first. I've never been accused of being scum for being so active. I can't really defend against this though so I'll just leave it to discussion.

You misunderstand. I didn't say you seem scummy because you're active. You seem town because you're active. You just seem to have a scummy demonor. I can't really explain why or what it is. It's just you're acting strange imo.

[Fircoal]

:? You didnt read my post at all did you?

he could have missed it.

[naxus]

1) How do you know that jrl didn't send in his night action. I'm not sure about his case but I believe he was around some but honestly I have no idea.

2) Any mafia member can send in the kill, it does not have to be the godfather. Thusly if there is a 4th mafia member he/she could have sent in the kill.

3) The mafia could have targeted the same person that you did which makes it look like that they didn't kill. I've seen this happen before in my games. There are some games were all the cult, vig and mafia all piled on the same player (Winner (3?) Mafia x3)

4) I have to say, it seems kinda odd for the mod to put two killing roles on the town's side. Personally it looks like you're trying to use your mafia kill and play as a vig like role to try to get to accuse someone inactive. Please say more though, it could help the town.

1.He posted the 5th and then posted again in the thread on the 14/15th. So he was definiteley gone before, during, and after night 2

2. If im correct it can be both ways right? Mafia GF is the only one able to send in the kill or all members are able. Could be either

3. Definitley a possibility but why would two players kill medefe who hadnt done that much suspicious activity?

4. Knowing how the previous nights have gone, i think this game is full of power roles, both town and mafia

[Mr. Squirrel]

:? You didnt read my post at all did you?

Whoops! My computer crashed when I was typing my post so after I recovered it, I guess it decided not to show your post to me. I'm reading it now!

Ok, finished. Here's what I think. I see the plausibility in your argument. I'm almost even tempted to vote for fircoal myself. Unfortunately, fircoal is right. Loophole #3 that he listed is the only reason I am not voting him right away.

3) The mafia could have targeted the same person that you did which makes it look like that they didn't kill. I've seen this happen before in my games. There are some games were all the cult, vig and mafia all piled on the same player (Winner (3?) Mafia x3)

This actually happened to me, where I was targeted by all factions in the night and it happens in more games than you think. Your accusation is pretty much sound except for this one loophole.

I do not like how you claim a killing role as well. This means we have at least 4 townies with NK abilities. In a game of this size I find this very highly unlikely.

2) Any mafia member can send in the kill, it does not have to be the godfather. Thusly if there is a 4th mafia member he/she could have sent in the kill.

Actually fircoal, this isn't necessarily true (and you of all people should know it). Usually it is the godfather who sends in the kill unless another person's role allows for it (for example, a mafia hitman). If any mafia member can send in the kill, then theres no point in calling anyone the godfather. This has been true in almost all mafia games I've played that had a godfather.

I'll unvote for now and vote wercool. Since it seems like you are actually going to contribute, that makes wercool a better lynch. I'll try to read the thread again in the morning before class just to see if I need to switch my vote around somewhere though. We need a lynch, its just a matter of deciding who now.

[naxus]

Thinking along both how this has turned out and how the games story went i think that the mafia and town have alot of killers. The town would be the Grey Warden and thier allies while the Darkspawn would be the high level bosses or stronger enemies. Shouldve mentioned but mine was a oneshot NK

[naxus]

Thinking along both how this has turned out and how the games story went i think that the mafia and town have alot of killers. The town would be the Grey Warden and thier allies while the Darkspawn would be the high level bosses or stronger enemies. Shouldve mentioned but mine was a oneshot NK

EBWOP:But due to various deaths i got a second one

[Fircoal]

2) Any mafia member can send in the kill, it does not have to be the godfather. Thusly if there is a 4th mafia member he/she could have sent in the kill.

Actually fircoal, this isn't necessarily true (and you of all people should know it). Usually it is the godfather who sends in the kill unless another person's role allows for it (for example, a mafia hitman). If any mafia member can send in the kill, then theres no point in calling anyone the godfather. This has been true in almost all mafia games I've played that had a godfather.

umm, I have to respond this before I get to anything else and say that in no way is true. If you have inactive godfathers you wouldn't let the mafia have no pick in kill because one man is inactive, its inane! If you mod you know it's a pain to try to get a setup balanced and to handicap the mafia by not letting them have a kill because the wrong one of the 3 members is inactive is just silleh. No mod worth their salt would do that! Besides the godfather at least in my games was mainly used to be innocent upon cop results. I

[Fircoal]

1) How do you know that jrl didn't send in his night action. I'm not sure about his case but I believe he was around some but honestly I have no idea.

2) Any mafia member can send in the kill, it does not have to be the godfather. Thusly if there is a 4th mafia member he/she could have sent in the kill.

3) The mafia could have targeted the same person that you did which makes it look like that they didn't kill. I've seen this happen before in my games. There are some games were all the cult, vig and mafia all piled on the same player (Winner (3?) Mafia x3)

4) I have to say, it seems kinda odd for the mod to put two killing roles on the town's side. Personally it looks like you're trying to use your mafia kill and play as a vig like role to try to get to accuse someone inactive. Please say more though, it could help the town.

1.He posted the 5th and then posted again in the thread on the 14/15th. So he was definiteley gone before, during, and after night 2

2. If im correct it can be both ways right? Mafia GF is the only one able to send in the kill or all members are able. Could be either

3. Definitley a possibility but why would two players kill medefe who hadnt done that much suspicious activity?

4. Knowing how the previous nights have gone, i think this game is full of power roles, both town and mafia

1. Just because he didn't post doesn't mean he isn't here. I mean he could have been scumarining. I mean just because you don't post means that he's inactive. Since he did post on 14/15th and wasn't just released without seeing him you can't just assume he wasn't there (or maybe you can but there is still a chance he was)

2. If the Mafia GF was inactive I don't see any logical reason why the mod wouldn't let the other mafia members send in the kill.

3. I've seen two players kill many of the same people. I mean it happened to Mr. Squirrel in Winner 3 for I have no idea what reason. People kill who they wish to sometimes without reason.

4. I think so too but two vigs seems very... bad. I prefer SKs

[Fircoal]

Thinking along both how this has turned out and how the games story went i think that the mafia and town have alot of killers. The town would be the Grey Warden and thier allies while the Darkspawn would be the high level bosses or stronger enemies. Shouldve mentioned but mine was a oneshot NK

EBWOP:But due to various deaths i got a second one

Ok, that sounds much more believable to me. Though I must ask you, why did you use your one-shot kill that night?

[naxus]

oops, sorry. I just got kit with a barrage of tests and reading from school. I will start being more active again. Now three deaths! Jesus Christ! Well we know one death is from the maf and another from Cena who killed colton. I would think based on the wording that cena and colton had a one on one where they killed each other. Possibly colton had a night kill ability. and that medefe was killed by the maf as a whole.

Well i assumed because of this post that he wasnt really checking/thinking about CC let alone the mafia game he was in.

The mod might not of known that JRL was inactive or hadnt posted in a while as nobody really brought it up until the last page or two. And if it was the GF only Kill way then the kill would have been wasted.

I killed MeDeFe because of various reasons but mostly because in the few games ive played with him(her?) he/she has played very well and is usually a evil/Anti town character.

Well i've described my powers but havnt claimed yet. I can if you want me to. Wont add alot of info though...

[Fircoal]

oops, sorry. I just got kit with a barrage of tests and reading from school. I will start being more active again. Now three deaths! Jesus Christ! Well we know one death is from the maf and another from Cena who killed colton. I would think based on the wording that cena and colton had a one on one where they killed each other. Possibly colton had a night kill ability. and that medefe was killed by the maf as a whole.

Well i assumed because of this post that he wasnt really checking/thinking about CC let alone the mafia game he was in.

The mod might not of known that JRL was inactive or hadnt posted in a while as nobody really brought it up until the last page or two. And if it was the GF only Kill way then the kill would have been wasted.

I killed MeDeFe because of various reasons but mostly because in the few games ive played with him(her?) he/she has played very well and is usually a evil/Anti town character.

Well i've described my powers but havnt claimed yet. I can if you want me to. Wont add alot of info though...

Yes but I think the other mafia members would have been able to know. Talking to the other mafia and seeing him there they would be stupid not to ask the mod if they could send in the kill..

but how does that make him killable/ scum in this game?

[naxus]

Well if the other mafia didn't realize it till it was too late.And if the other members have only played a few games they might not know to ask the mod about possible changes.

Lets say i was a little paranoid and may have jumped the gun. Regrettable but cant be undone.

[Mr. Squirrel]

2) Any mafia member can send in the kill, it does not have to be the godfather. Thusly if there is a 4th mafia member he/she could have sent in the kill.

Actually fircoal, this isn't necessarily true (and you of all people should know it). Usually it is the godfather who sends in the kill unless another person's role allows for it (for example, a mafia hitman). If any mafia member can send in the kill, then theres no point in calling anyone the godfather. This has been true in almost all mafia games I've played that had a godfather.

umm, I have to respond this before I get to anything else and say that in no way is true. If you have inactive godfathers you wouldn't let the mafia have no pick in kill because one man is inactive, its inane! If you mod you know it's a pain to try to get a setup balanced and to handicap the mafia by not letting them have a kill because the wrong one of the 3 members is inactive is just silleh. No mod worth their salt would do that! Besides the godfather at least in my games was mainly used to be innocent upon cop results. I

Hmmm... granted I never have been in a game with an inactive godfather (or at least that I knew about) so I can't really judge, but why wouldn't you just let the mafia waste the kill? I mean, if a cop is inactive do you just let a townie send in an investigation? Of course not. Whats the difference?

More on topic, I don't know what to do about fircoal. His case seems hardly strong enough to guarantee a successful lynch, but it is still pretty solid analysis. His experience makes me not want to lynch him just yet on account that he is a valuable asset if he is town, but at the same time it could be that the only reason he is at all convincing is because of his experience. I think I will hold out for now and wait until I check the thread in the morning. Unless some new evidence is presented, I will probably stay on wercool.

[naxus]

Well squirell if you look at the other mafia games wercool was in(thinking of Deadspace) he's been kinda forgetful lately and barely posting at all. In my opinion his case its more forgetfulness than outright trying to submarine. I may be wrong about that though.

As you said if Fircoal is town then thats a pretty valuable asset but if he Is the Mafia GodFather then he's a very strong and experienced enemy.

[naxus]

also would like to request that the deadline be extended a day to allow further discussion

[Fircoal]

2) Any mafia member can send in the kill, it does not have to be the godfather. Thusly if there is a 4th mafia member he/she could have sent in the kill.

Actually fircoal, this isn't necessarily true (and you of all people should know it). Usually it is the godfather who sends in the kill unless another person's role allows for it (for example, a mafia hitman). If any mafia member can send in the kill, then theres no point in calling anyone the godfather. This has been true in almost all mafia games I've played that had a godfather.

umm, I have to respond this before I get to anything else and say that in no way is true. If you have inactive godfathers you wouldn't let the mafia have no pick in kill because one man is inactive, its inane! If you mod you know it's a pain to try to get a setup balanced and to handicap the mafia by not letting them have a kill because the wrong one of the 3 members is inactive is just silleh. No mod worth their salt would do that! Besides the godfather at least in my games was mainly used to be innocent upon cop results. I

Hmmm... granted I never have been in a game with an inactive godfather (or at least that I knew about) so I can't really judge, but why wouldn't you just let the mafia waste the kill? I mean, if a cop is inactive do you just let a townie send in an investigation? Of course not. Whats the difference?

More on topic, I don't know what to do about fircoal. His case seems hardly strong enough to guarantee a successful lynch, but it is still pretty solid analysis. His experience makes me not want to lynch him just yet on account that he is a valuable asset if he is town, but at the same time it could be that the only reason he is at all convincing is because of his experience. I think I will hold out for now and wait until I check the thread in the morning. Unless some new evidence is presented, I will probably stay on wercool.

Squirell there is a difference in those two scenarios. A cop has no cop buddies that can confer with him. The mafia does. Whenever I modded I just took who ever told me the mafia action. Mafia's power is to kill, it isn't just the Mafia Godfather's power. IF the godfather dies that doesn't mean that the mafia can't kill, that's one of the key differences. If the cop is dead, there goes the town investigations.

Well I don't think I should be lynched. (well da). Not yet at least. I believe we have a mislynch that we are able to use and I'll be more helpful on the next day. Why? Well I was the one who brought the game back alive basically and now we have three active members and more to go on. I think that we all need to survive so that if we get into a real crunch we don't have to do a random silly lynch. Yes Wercool seems to be gone everywhere, but he should be replaced or that may lead to trouble on Day 4. We need the activity, it helps.

[Fircoal]

also would like to request that the deadline be extended a day to allow further discussion

I agree. We're getting places so the deadline really isn't as needed :3

[safariguy5]

Well if the other mafia didn't realize it till it was too late.And if the other members have only played a few games they might not know to ask the mod about possible changes.

Lets say i was a little paranoid and may have jumped the gun. Regrettable but cant be undone.

This seems like a pretty odd reason to hit MeDeFe. With the town NK's (your's and sens) we've hit 1 mafia and 1 town. I'm just saying that NKing someone because of past history isn't particularly compelling, but if it was a one-shot like you say, then this should be a non-issue.

[Fircoal]

Well if the other mafia didn't realize it till it was too late.And if the other members have only played a few games they might not know to ask the mod about possible changes.

Lets say i was a little paranoid and may have jumped the gun. Regrettable but cant be undone.

This seems like a pretty odd reason to hit MeDeFe. With the town NK's (your's and sens) we've hit 1 mafia and 1 town. I'm just saying that NKing someone because of past history isn't particularly compelling, but if it was a one-shot like you say, then this should be a non-issue.

how is it a non-issue?

[safariguy5]

1. jrl332005 Replaced By Fircoal - I am the epicness that makes everything great great. There is no possible reason to lynch me. I'm as pro-town as pro-town gets.

2. Mr. Squirrel - While his actions seem somewhat strange to me I wouldn't really call him scum. He's done quite a bit to try to make the game active but hasn't really provided much either. I have a feeling that he could be scum but he also seems pro-town.

7. Safariguy5 - He's sharing a bit but I think he could be saying more. While he doesn't seem to be as quiet as Nazus, he seemed pretty eager to no lynch and have another night phase:

Umm...unless anyone has any investigative information, should we no lynch again? I really don't know what everyone's abilities who died were so I can't try to infer anything.

Yeah ionno, about jrl, maybe we could just modkill him and go to night?

Sounds scummy to me

8. Naxus - Seems to not really want to contribute much. He hasn't really many any attempt to try to finger anyone or find any scumtells. I personally think he's playing carefully because he's scum. However I also feel that he could be a townie with a boring role and isn't that emotionally invested.

9. Aage - Seems useful and pro-town to me. Not much more than that.

10. Wercool - Hasn't posted much and for sure as a night action that involves pming (though thinking about that, that could be anything). His lack of posting and lack of trying to find information seems scummy to me. Sort of like Naxus but less blatant with it.

11. Sensfan - Pro-town and no reason to believe that he's not.

Game: Considering there are 12 players in this game it is likely that there are 3 or 4 mafia members. Now being a mod I'd more likely put in 3 mafia members and some roles like SK but it's possible that he made it 4 and put in a bunch of townie power-roles. If there are only 3 mafia members and an SK (if there even is one) we are in no danger as if we mislynch we not only get the chance that the two crosskill each other but we'll end up able to lynch one of them the next day, and then have Sen kill the other. If there is no SK then we're in an even better situation as we basically have 2 mislynchs that we can do. If there are 4 mafia there will likely not be an SK as that would be too many baddies against the town. Especially considering the dead townies aren't super strong I highly doubt an SK. That means that we have a mislynch that would be very important to use so we can make a rational judgement the next day if we miss. In any of these scenarios we have to make sure that Sens does not shoot the next night. Since we don't know how many mafia there are, if he hits wrong he could lose us the game. D:

I am personally suspicious of Mr. Squirrel, Safari, Naxus, and Wercool. I think that Squirrel is trying more than the other three and thusly shouldn't be our first choice. I'd go with Wercool or Naxus first mainly because they seem to have the least amount of things to be said, however I think that Safari may have the biggest scumtell with the quotes I brought up, but still that's not very big.

As you say in your list, naxus, wercool, and I haven't been saying much. The reason I haven't been saying much is that the thread wasn't progressing. If you read through the days, it was pretty bland, not much voting or discussion. Now that we finally have some pikachu discussion, at least I can contribute more. In terms of naxus or wercool, I want to lean towards wercool because naxus claimed killing MeDeFe. Sounds reasonably honest about the mistake, and I'm willing to take him at that. I don't really buy the mafia godfather inactivity either, when I've modded, mafia would let me know who to kill, it wasn't exclusively the godfather.

unvote vote wercool

[safariguy5]

Well if the other mafia didn't realize it till it was too late.And if the other members have only played a few games they might not know to ask the mod about possible changes.

Lets say i was a little paranoid and may have jumped the gun. Regrettable but cant be undone.

This seems like a pretty odd reason to hit MeDeFe. With the town NK's (your's and sens) we've hit 1 mafia and 1 town. I'm just saying that NKing someone because of past history isn't particularly compelling, but if it was a one-shot like you say, then this should be a non-issue.

how is it a non-issue?

One shot NK means he won't be killing someone else and won't have a friendly fire problem.

[edocsil]

Deadline is suspended until further notice.

[Fircoal]

Well if the other mafia didn't realize it till it was too late.And if the other members have only played a few games they might not know to ask the mod about possible changes.

Lets say i was a little paranoid and may have jumped the gun. Regrettable but cant be undone.

This seems like a pretty odd reason to hit MeDeFe. With the town NK's (your's and sens) we've hit 1 mafia and 1 town. I'm just saying that NKing someone because of past history isn't particularly compelling, but if it was a one-shot like you say, then this should be a non-issue.

how is it a non-issue?

One shot NK means he won't be killing someone else and won't have a friendly fire problem.

1) I think you missed (skimmed over) the part where he posted he had a another kill.

2) It still can determine his scumminess, because it sounds fishy in a way, however I do believe him to be town.

[edocsil]

Oh, two votes for wercool now. I will go tally the others if needed, but doesn't look like it at the moment.