dice rolls are very messed up

by **jefjef** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:01 pm

My dice are rocking!!!!!

Round 6 in a dubs game and I have taken 1 tert so far! =D>

by **mviola** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:48 pm

pie12345 wrote:ok now again my freaking dice are messed up you cant win any fucking games

Just chill, play the actual board game and you'll see that these losses happen quite a lot.

by **FireStar** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:57 pm

someone should totally make a youtube video of rolling dice to prove that random does not equal fair...

by **R.theghost** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:06 pm

i cant believe this! dice is getting better! i actually managed to win a first round 8v3 roll!!! only lost 6 armies!! usually i just lose the 8 and take 0 :lol:

by **Moop** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:44 pm

You would think, that if the dice were random, then there would be as many good rolls as bad. That doesnt mean that because Im getting bad rolls Im going to get as many good.
No, that means some asshole out there is stealing all my good dice.

by **Army of GOD** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:47 pm

I have absolutely no clue what OP is attempting to make this thread about...

Somehow..this is WORSE than targetman...

by **Moop** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:51 pm

So thats who stole all my good dice.

by **Woodruff** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:17 pm

Goldbar wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Let's think this through for a moment...you claim that the dice are bad. This is based on the fact that you in particular have been unlucky with them

Him "in particular"....and ALOT of other people claim the dice are bad.
I know what it is...they all got together and started a conspiracy to complain about the dice.Yeah,thats what it is.

"What it is" is human nature and a self-centered outlook. For the dice to be bad for someone, they also have to be good for someone. That's pretty much a requirement.

Goldbar wrote:it couldnt possibly be a bunch of independent players giving their honest opinion on on the lopsided results that the dice come up with in this game.

Oh, I have no doubt at all that they are honest opinions. Unfortunately, honesty doesn't equate to accuracy.

Goldbar wrote:The dice in the game do not even come close to resembling what real dice would roll.

So how often have you rolled hundreds of thousands of dice in a day to determine this "fact"?

Goldbar wrote:I play quite a few games with dice(not computer dice),risk,backgammon,yahtzee,and I can tell you that CC dice do not simulate what random real dice would roll in any way shape or form.

Again, how often have you rolled hundreds of thousands of dice in a day to determine what "random real dice" would roll?

by **Woodruff** on Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:20 pm

Moop wrote:You would think, that if the dice were random, then there would be as many good rolls as bad.

No...if you understand what the term "random" means, you would not expect that. People who DO expect that are the same folks who are suckers for the counter/display on a roulette table that shows what numbers and colors have come up recently.

by **Moop** on Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:51 am

Woodruff wrote:

Goldbar wrote:

Woodruff wrote:Let's think this through for a moment...you claim that the dice are bad. This is based on the fact that you in particular have been unlucky with them

Him "in particular"....and ALOT of other people claim the dice are bad.
I know what it is...they all got together and started a conspiracy to complain about the dice.Yeah,thats what it is.

"What it is" is human nature and a self-centered outlook. For the dice to be bad for someone, they also have to be good for someone. That's pretty much a requirement.

Moop wrote:You would think, that if the dice were random, then there would be as many good rolls as bad.

Woodruff wrote: No...if you understand what the term "random" means, you would not expect that. People who DO expect that are the same folks who are suckers for the counter/display on a roulette table that shows what numbers and colors have come up recently.

lol, I only wrote three lines and you chose to leave the second two out, which completely changes the context of the line you quoted.
You also contradicted yourself. Nice work, you should be a lawyer or something.

by **karelpietertje** on Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:38 am

Yup, you kind of completely missed it there Woodruff

by **Woodruff** on Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:27 am

Woodruff wrote:
Moop wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Let's think this through for a moment...you claim that the dice are bad. This is based on the fact that you in particular have been unlucky with them

Him "in particular"....and ALOT of other people claim the dice are bad.
know what it is...they all got together and started a conspiracy to complain about the dice.Yeah,thats what it is.

"What it is" is human nature and a self-centered outlook. For the dice to be bad for someone, they also have to be good for someone. That's pretty much a requirement.

Moop wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Moop wrote:You would think, that if the dice were random, then there would be as many good rolls as bad.

No...if you understand what the term "random" means, you would not expect that. People who DO expect that are the same folks who are suckers for the counter/display on a roulette table that shows what numbers and colors have come up recently.

lol, I only wrote three lines and you chose to leave the second two out, which completely changes the context of the line you quoted.

No, I did not leave out the second two. I left out the last line, which wasn't particularly relevant to the issue. My responses were directed at Goldbar rather than yourself (if that's why you believe it changed the context...I recognize you were not disagreeing with me). I simply used your statements as launching-points for my responses.

Moop wrote:You also contradicted yourself. Nice work, you should be a lawyer or something.

I absolutely did poorly word my second statement. What I was referring to in the second statement is people who do expect "as many good rolls as bad for themselves". But I accept that I worded it in a way that definitely did not make that clear and made it appear as though I was contradicting my earlier statement. Hopefully this makes it more clear that I was not contradicting myself. And I believe my reference to the roulette table display is quite apt, for those who know what I'm referring to.

by **Moop** on Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:19 pm

I think the problem was only using part of my post, if anything I was backing up what you said, but good response, you cleared your point up well.
On the other hand when Im playing Roulette I find the counter/display very useful, I dont put money on individual numbers though, I generally play 1st/2nd/3rds which more often than not will win you money.

by **Woodruff** on Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:28 am

Moop wrote:On the other hand when Im playing Roulette I find the counter/display very useful, I dont put money on individual numbers though, I generally play 1st/2nd/3rds which more often than not will win you money.

If you use the counter/display at all, you are, at best, simply not helping yourself. At best. And that has not as much to do with individual numbers as it does red/black and the thirds that you mention.

Essentially, each spin of the roulette wheel is an entity unto itself. By that I mean...the odds of hitting 18 are no more and no less just because it hit 18 the previous time. Therefore, those who use the counter/display as a sort of aid are not helping their cause and, in some cases, actually hurting their cause (if it causes them to change their betting amounts, in particular). Remember...the casinos didn't put those up there to HELP you...they don't do anything to HELP you.

by **Moop** on Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:16 am

Although I understand the principle that everytime a dice is thrown or the roulette wheel spun the odds are equal to every number no matter what has happened before, in practise, it more often than not, doesn't quite pan out that way. You can use what has happened before as a rough guide, Im not saying its fool proof and of course theoretically what has happened before plays no deciding factor on the next number, but next time you see a roulette wheel give it a shot on thirds. I play 2 thirds at a time, at 2 to 1, same bet each time, its not get rich quick, and its very boring, but the risks are less. I usually walk away with around 15% more than I walked in with and call it a day if Im down 10%, but then Im quite anal in that way and dont treat gambling like a get rich quick scheme.

by **R.theghost** on Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:59 am

hmm i hope nobody starts playing russian rollette just to prove his point...

by **niMic** on Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:40 am

Moop wrote:Although I understand the principle that everytime a dice is thrown or the roulette wheel spun the odds are equal to every number no matter what has happened before, in practise, it more often than not, doesn't quite pan out that way. You can use what has happened before as a rough guide, Im not saying its fool proof and of course theoretically what has happened before plays no deciding factor on the next number, but next time you see a roulette wheel give it a shot on thirds. I play 2 thirds at a time, at 2 to 1, same bet each time, its not get rich quick, and its very boring, but the risks are less. I usually walk away with around 15% more than I walked in with and call it a day if Im down 10%, but then Im quite anal in that way and dont treat gambling like a get rich quick scheme.

There's nothing theoretical about it. That is, there is, but it's very much a reality as well. And you really can't use what has already happened as a "rough guide" for what is going to happen. It might feel like you can, but statistics isn't some purely theoretical thought experiment.

by **Pedronicus** on Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:25 am

My score is doing ok, but I still maintain the dice are absolutely shit on this site.

I find that on a certain game they are predefined. if you start to lose, you lose throughout all the game, likewise if you are winning, you just can't seem to lose.

by **R.theghost** on Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:04 am

Pedronicus wrote:My score is doing ok, but I still maintain the dice are absolutely shit on this site.

I find that on a certain game they are predefined. if you start to lose, you lose throughout all the game, likewise if you are winning, you just can't seem to lose.

yea i totally agree, when i lose round 1 first roll i will always lose the game if i win without losing any army i win the game

by **Woodruff** on Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:23 pm

Moop wrote:Although I understand the principle that everytime a dice is thrown or the roulette wheel spun the odds are equal to every number no matter what has happened before, in practise, it more often than not, doesn't quite pan out that way. You can use what has happened before as a rough guide, Im not saying its fool proof and of course theoretically what has happened before plays no deciding factor on the next number, but next time you see a roulette wheel give it a shot on thirds. I play 2 thirds at a time, at 2 to 1, same bet each time, its not get rich quick, and its very boring, but the risks are less. I usually walk away with around 15% more than I walked in with and call it a day if Im down 10%, but then Im quite anal in that way and dont treat gambling like a get rich quick scheme.

No, I must disagree entirely. I'm quite sure it FEELS like what happened before relates to what happens next, but it has no basis in fact. It is, in fact, very much reality.