agreeing to throw match for splitting points

by **Kiron** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:20 pm

okay so playing a 3 way stalemate, is it allowed to agree to throw match to split points the points? Aka, let one player win the game and create a few 1v1 games to make up the difference with the other 2 players for a net result of splitting the points of the losing players.

I.e. 8 players, 5 gone, 3 left, each 1000 point rating
That would be 100 points in the air, so player 1 wins by agreement of player 2 and 3 (so win 100 points, becomes 1100 points ranking). Then player plays against player 2 and loses twice (losing about 42 points) and also players player 3 and losses twice losing about 41 points. So player 1,2,3 gets around a net profit of 20sh points from the 5 that were eliminated.

by **eddie2** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:23 pm

no it will be classed as cheating i think because it is abusing the system

by **AndyDufresne** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:38 pm

Throwing games or benefitting from thrown games falls under the general 'Gross Abuse' rule, on the Rules Page.

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

--Andy

by **Incandenza** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:52 pm

Well, given that CC has steadfastly refused to adopt any sort of system for ending long-running stalemates, I'd say Kiron's idea is eminently sensible.

by **AndyDufresne** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:55 pm

Incandenza wrote:Well, given that CC has steadfastly refused to adopt any sort of system for ending long-running stalemates, I'd say Kiron's idea is eminently sensible.

Other than of course, winning or losing. Perhaps make a suggestion?

--Andy

by **Incandenza** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:11 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
Incandenza wrote:Well, given that CC has steadfastly refused to adopt any sort of system for ending long-running stalemates, I'd say Kiron's idea is eminently sensible.

Other than of course, winning or losing. Perhaps make a suggestion?

--Andy

I've made a few over the years and supported others. The problem is that in long-running stalemates, your best chance of winning is often to do nothing at all, since even smart moves will eventually be counterbalanced by the other players, leaving everyone in a state where a game's only chance of ending is someone deadbeating (intentionally or not), suiciding, or doing something dumb. That's a pretty lame way to have to end a game, especially compared to the players involved deciding to essentially split the points to the best of their abilities and get on with their lives.

by **AndyDufresne** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:15 pm

Most definitely, agreed. Now that we have some proper suggestions moderators, I'd give it a go.

--Andy

by **Incandenza** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:35 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Most definitely, agreed. Now that we have some proper suggestions moderators, I'd give it a go.

--Andy

Sure, why not.

by **Bruceswar** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:52 pm

This is long overdue, and hate to break it to you guys, but this has been going on for ages.

by **Commander62890** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:27 pm

Kiron wrote:okay so playing a 3 way stalemate, is it allowed to agree to throw match to split points the points? Aka, let one player win the game and create a few 1v1 games to make up the difference with the other 2 players for a net result of splitting the points of the losing players.

I.e. 8 players, 5 gone, 3 left, each 1000 point rating
That would be 100 points in the air, so player 1 wins by agreement of player 2 and 3 (so win 100 points, becomes 1100 points ranking). Then player plays against player 2 and loses twice (losing about 42 points) and also players player 3 and losses twice losing about 41 points. So player 1,2,3 gets around a net profit of 20sh points from the 5 that were eliminated.

If all the players agree to it... I would do it, regardless of CC's rules.

Even if this suggestion gets passed, it will take a while to go through. And there's no guarantee that anything will even happen. Go for it. I would be surprised if there was any disciplinary action.

By the way, is there any precedent for disciplinary action being taken after players have done this? I'm sure this has been done before, but I haven't heard of the mods doing anything about it. Not that they should...

It's definitely hard to spot, but I wonder: even if they do spot it, do they let it go?

by **Bob XIII** on Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:59 pm

i don't think this is really 'in the spirit' of things... perhaps you should just um... not care so much about your points... agreements like this have to be considered cheating, who's to say that players won't agree to an all game truce then split the diff at the end... and how will mods differentiate between ppls motivations... was he trying to cheat or was he trying to just get out of a stalemate? allowing this sort of action creates a very large window for abuse...

PS it is written in the rules that you can't do these things anyway so... i wouldn't...

by **john9blue** on Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:31 am

one of my irl friends has had a single active game for at least a year or two. he only logs on to take his turn. i'd support this suggestion if my friend's situation wasn't rather funny.

by **thunderhue** on Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:37 pm

If all the players agree to it... I would do it, regardless of CC's rules.

I was in a situation where we were in agreement, at least I thought so. And this was in a tournament where it was ruled acceptable, though not encouraged.

See http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=118710.

Don't throw games. It's not worth it, and it would only take 1 complaint for a negative ruling to ruin your day.