star wars mafia game over rebels win, with survivers help

[Koesen]

yes duday actually killed himself his real reason was to make it more interesting
if captainwalrus had killed duday i probably would have said vader used force persuasion to make him kill himself or something like that

Sorry, what I meant, was:

I assume Safariguy was fighting until the end and stole two votes from me, CW or Metsfan. If he had lived to see this dawn and if Duday was the only person to die tonight, what would have happened? Whose votes and how many votes would Safariguy have had?

ah well ill post the night actions later on tonight but safari had taken yours and metsfans votes, but that wouldn't have mattered because he would have still been endgamed, because their would only have been 4 other players who weren't rebels, but if duday had killed cw, or another rebel then safari would have had three votes, with lsu that would give him the majority and the empire would probably have won

Why would you have endgamed Safari in that situation? He and LSU would have a total of 4garantueed pro Empire votes and if they managed to win the survivors back, they would have had 6 votes versus 4 of the Rebels.

I would have let that play out.

[Koesen]

Correction: the rebels would only have two votes, cause mine and Metsfan's would have been stolen. So even without the survivors, that would be 4-2 for the empire.

[safariguy5]

True, but I'd say that the sheer number of rebels was quite unsettling. Honestly, my thinking after night 1 was that the rebels were in the extreme minority.

[strike wolf]

This was so unbalanced it's not even funny. I would have liked to say if you had listened to me and lynched RE/Koesie town would have won but guess what, there were more scum than town! The tons of survivors of course didn't help, since they had no interest to make themselves a target. Why on earth survivors instead of vanilla townies, I wonder... I figured it would cost me the win to try and hunt scum but I have more fun that way and I knew I was right when I was killed right away
Anyway, kudos to Koesie for making the first successful open negotiation between scum and third party, but the mod seemed so biased towards rebs it'd have been hard to lose for you guys even without doing it.

Well in all honesty, I had thought there would be at least one more strictly empire type role if not a doctor than something. And of course I shifted the focus away from lynching RE using the doctor argument...but as a rebel I'm not complaining.

[strike wolf]

Actually, when I replaced and read the hole thread I thought we were doomed:

* The rebels didn't have a nightkill
* Rainbow Eater was well on his way to talking himself into a noose
* Colton had post mortem betrayed my identity
* Town had two cops and two killing mechanisms in addition to the lynch

But it rather miraculously all worked out.

Scum was actually not in the majority until this final morning.

not to mention our one killing role decided not to do anything and got himself modkilled, our recruiter was killed night 1 and we were separated into two groups and didn't all know each other. i could have easily helped lynch both metsfan and wercool early as I had no idea they were rebels. All I knew was that there were more rebels out there but i didn't know how many and I didn't know their roles.

[strike wolf]

I think this was just a case where the third party did not act like the mod intended wherein rather than acting almost exclusively in the town's favor they instead sided with whoever's strongest. Something to keep in mind for future games.

[Koesen]

I think this was just a case where the third party did not act like the mod intended wherein rather than acting almost exclusively in the town's favor they instead sided with whoever's strongest. Something to keep in mind for future games.

Anybody who considers survivors to be essentially the same as vanilla townies is dead wrong. Survivors usually act pro town because they can't afford a lynch, but whenever they're able to end the game instantly by siding with scum, they should.

[Metsfanmax]

I think this was just a case where the third party did not act like the mod intended wherein rather than acting almost exclusively in the town's favor they instead sided with whoever's strongest. Something to keep in mind for future games.

Anybody who considers survivors to be essentially the same as vanilla townies is dead wrong. Survivors usually act pro town because they can't afford a lynch, but whenever they're able to end the game instantly by siding with scum, they should.

Agreed. Survivors are only pro-town in a sense that is nothing more than a facade.

[UTAlan]

I think this was just a case where the third party did not act like the mod intended wherein rather than acting almost exclusively in the town's favor they instead sided with whoever's strongest. Something to keep in mind for future games.

Anybody who considers survivors to be essentially the same as vanilla townies is dead wrong. Survivors usually act pro town because they can't afford a lynch, but whenever they're able to end the game instantly by siding with scum, they should.

Glad to know I played survivor well.

[Koesen]

I'm glad you played it well too

[gregwolf121]

okay before posting any roles or night actions i will try to explain my setup the main reason i think that cw was confused about whether he was scum or not was that at the beginning of the game i had seen it, in following the star wars timeline, that the empire was scum and the rebels were town, but their alignment was reversed, the empire was seen in the traditional town role despite being the bad guys, and despite being rebels, like a mafia, the rebels were the good guys, but from the posts i think it got to confusing so i just said empire town rebellion mafia
and the reason i had the citizens as survivors is because they didn't care who won to them it would be business as useall, also with the citizens i know you all had a picture of owen lars in your role pm but that was the only picture from star wars that i could find that looked like a citizen, as for the rebels being too strong in the early parts of the game they were in two groups of three with only luke and leia knowing who every one was, but they couldn't talk to them,

yes duday actually killed himself his real reason was to make it more interesting
if captainwalrus had killed duday i probably would have said vader used force persuasion to make him kill himself or something like that

Sorry, what I meant, was:

I assume Safariguy was fighting until the end and stole two votes from me, CW or Metsfan. If he had lived to see this dawn and if Duday was the only person to die tonight, what would have happened? Whose votes and how many votes would Safariguy have had?

ah well ill post the night actions later on tonight but safari had taken yours and metsfans votes, but that wouldn't have mattered because he would have still been endgamed, because their would only have been 4 other players who weren't rebels, but if duday had killed cw, or another rebel then safari would have had three votes, with lsu that would give him the majority and the empire would probably have won

Why would you have endgamed Safari in that situation? He and LSU would have a total of 4garantueed pro Empire votes and if they managed to win the survivors back, they would have had 6 votes versus 4 of the Rebels.

I would have let that play out.

and i thank you for pointing this out, when i gave the scenario i wasn't paying attention to the roles of the players, so yes i would have let it play out and the empire would have most likely won

[strike wolf]

I think this was just a case where the third party did not act like the mod intended wherein rather than acting almost exclusively in the town's favor they instead sided with whoever's strongest. Something to keep in mind for future games.

Anybody who considers survivors to be essentially the same as vanilla townies is dead wrong. Survivors usually act pro town because they can't afford a lynch, but whenever they're able to end the game instantly by siding with scum, they should.

Yes exactly.

[strike wolf]

I think this was just a case where the third party did not act like the mod intended wherein rather than acting almost exclusively in the town's favor they instead sided with whoever's strongest. Something to keep in mind for future games.

Anybody who considers survivors to be essentially the same as vanilla townies is dead wrong. Survivors usually act pro town because they can't afford a lynch, but whenever they're able to end the game instantly by siding with scum, they should.

Glad to know I played survivor well.

yes I think the entire rebellion especially the surviving rebellion is happy about that.

[gregwolf121]

alrighty here are the night actions as i have them

Star wars night actions

Night 1
Captain walrus kills fuzzylogic, princess leia
Safariguy5 steals wolverine mutants and pvt. Strokers votes
Strike wolf protects r2d2
Colton investigates captainwalrus, darth vader
Metsfanmax investigates duday53, storm trooper
Fuzzylogic investigates army of god, if citizen will be asked to join the rebels, storm trooper
LSU Tiger Josh investigates ga7, citizen
Rainbow eater investigates ga7, citizen
Wercool protects metsfanmax, luke
Strom trooper group (army of god, duday53, wolverine mutant, pvt. stroker) kill captain walrus, darth vader

Night 2
Captainwalrus kills spiesr, citizen
Colton24 investigates army of god, storm trooper
Rainbow eater investigates /, citizen
Metsfanmax investigates safariguy5, emperor palpatine
Strike wolf protects rainbow eater, R2D2
Safariguy5 steals cubsfanpgh and wercools vote
LSU tiger josh investigates army of god, storm trooper
Storm trooper group kills captainwalrus, darth vader
Wercool protects metsfanmax, luke

Night 3
Colton24 investigates rainbow eater, R2D2
Safariguy5 steals colton24 and wolverine mutants vote
Rainbow eater investigates lsu, imperial intelligence agent, cop
Strike wolf protects rainbow eater, R2D2
Wercool protects metsfanmax, luke
Captainwalrus kills colton24, intel agent
Lsu tiger josh investigates colton24, imperial intelligence agent, cop
Metsfanmax investigates ga7, imperial citizen

Night 4
Rainbow Eater investigates cubfanpgh, imperial citizen
LSU Tiger Josh investigates wercool, han solo
Captainwalrus kills wercool, han solo
Metsfanmax Investigates LSU tiger Josh, imperial intelligence agent, cop
Safariguy5 steals wercool and wolverine mutants votes
Strike wolf protects rainbow eater, R2D2
Wercool protects metsfanmax, luke

Night 5
Captainwalrus kills ga7, imperial citizen
Metsfanmax investigates captianwalrus, darth vader
LSU investigate UTA, imperial citizen
Koesen investigate UTA, imperial citizen
Safari Steals Wolverine Mutant and cubfanpgh's votes
Strike wolf protects koesen, R2D2
Storm troopers kill cubfanpgh, imperial citizen

Night 6
Duday, storm trooper kills duday, stormtrooper
Safari steals metsfanmax and koesens votes
Koesen investigates safari, emperor palpatine
Lsu investigates metsfanmax, luke skywalker
Strike wolf protects koesen, R2D2
Captainwalrus kills safariguy, emperor palpatine

[gregwolf121]

and here are the role pms, and captainwalrus can you post your role pm if you have it because some how i lost the one i gave you, i do have what i consider a rough draft of it if you do not have the pm

Roles of players minus the pictures because i forgot to save those
Storm trooper, Duday53, same for Army of God, Pvt. Stroker, and wolverine mutant
you are a storm trooper you are mason buddies with 3 other storm troopers (Army of God),(Pvt. Stroker),(Wolverine Mutant), who are also storm troopers you can talk to them at night via pm, you can only pm them at night, during the night you all will decide as a group on one player to night kill, you win when the rebellion is ended

Imperial intelligence agent colton24, and LSU tiger josh
you are an imperial intelligence agent at night you can investigate one person, you win when all the rebels are killed

Darth sidious, safariguy5
you are Darth Sidious aka the emperor, you are a powerful politician you can control two peoples votes during the day, you automatically kill anyone who tries to night kill you, with one exception where death is only a possibility,

Imperial citizen, ga7, cubfanpgh, UTAlan, spiesr, /
you are an imperial citizen you have no special role or power, you win if your alive at the end of the game, you may be asked to join the rebellion you can choose to either accept or decline the invitation

han solo, Wercool
you are Han Solo, you are in a mason group with Chewbaca, (mandomike69) and Luke Skywalker (Metsfanmax) you can pm them at night and only at night you are a smuggler you can hide one person a night, which will protect them from harm

Boba fett, Vodean
you are Boba Fett you are a third party player, basically just kill people, you can kill one person a night, you win if you not killed

Chewbacca, mandomike69
you are the great and mighty chewbaca you are in a mason group with Han Solo (wercool) and Luke Skywalker (metsfanmax) you can pm them at night and only at night, you are a mechanic when C3P0 or R2D2 are killed you can fix them the next night, you can also kill one person a night, you can't do both in one night you win when the empire is destroyed

princess leia, Fuzzylogic99
you are princess leia you are in a mason group with C3P0 (strike wolf) and R2D2 (rainbow eater),you can pm them at night and only at night you can investigate people, you are looking for imperial citizens, when you find one you can ask them to join the rebel alliance you also know who all the rebels are, you cannot tell C3P0 or R2D2 or you will be modkilled Han Solo (wercool) Luke Skywalker (metsfanmax) Chewbaca (mandomike69)

C3P0, strike wolf
you are C3P0 you are in a mason group with R2D2 (rainbow eater)and Princess Leia (fuzzylogic99), you can pm them at night and only at night you can block harm from coming to R2D2 you win when the empire is destroyed

Luke, Metsfanmax
you are Luke Skywalker you are in a mason group with Han Solo (Wercool) and Chewbaca (mandomike69), you can investigate others, you are looking for Darth Vader if you find him you can try to get him to join the rebellion you also get to know who all the other rebels are, you cannot tell Han or Chewbaca, if you do i will mod kill you, meaning your dead Leia (fuzzylogic99) C3P0 (strike wolf) R2D2 (rainbow eater)

R2D2, Rainbow Eater, koesen
you are R2D2 you are in a mason group with C3P0 (strike wolf) and princess leia (fuzzylogic 99) you can pm them at night and only at night, you can investigate people and find out who they are and what they do you win when the empire is no more

darth vader, captainwalrus
don't have original role pm but here is the rough draft of his role
can survive 2 attempts to kill him at night. he can choose to turn on the emperor and kill him can also kill one person a night. Is looking for luke only told if they are or aren’t luke, if finds luke can try to turn him to the dark side, luke not told who Vader is

[Koesen]

Interesting set up, though I won't blame the opposition if they consider the rebels to have been overpowered

and i thank you for pointing this out, when i gave the scenario i wasn't paying attention to the roles of the players, so yes i would have let it play out and the empire would have most likely won

Thanks, that's what I expected would happen, but we had a bit of a discussion about it last night.

[strike wolf]

Can survive 2 kills. Funny I had thought he was bulletproof didn't realize it was with certain limitations. Had excused the fact that he died to safari as a different situation.

[gregwolf121]

i thought if i had both vader and the emperor to survive all night kills that would make the empire to strong

[strike wolf]

i thought if i had both vader and the emperor to survive all night kills that would make the empire to strong

2 unkillable roles...probably would especially with one being able to steal votes and the other a vigilante. As far as unbalanced goes. Anyone here play the Death Note Mafia from a year or so back? That was unbalanced.

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I modded that! I pretty much wanted everyone to be in a constant state of confusedly killing each other to re-balance the game... Well, maybe more than two people would have won if town lynched more than twice all game.

[captainwalrus]

I killed two town power roles and two mafia power roles.
This could have been over a lot faster, but my messing up kept it balanced.

[strike wolf]

I modded that! I pretty much wanted everyone to be in a constant state of confusedly killing each other to re-balance the game... Well, maybe more than two people would have won if town lynched more than twice all game.

Maybe but I also remember that there were two unkillable unlynchable characters in the game and that even though I had what under normal conditions would have been a very good role (day vigilante/cop/mason recruiter) and in very good position with another cop/mason recruiter and a doctor aware of each others existance (they found me Night 1 I think), I had to post my kills in thread which got me killed and the shinigami were so overpowered it was ridiculous. If I remember MM basically mocked the game by openly acting like a shinigami because he knew there was nothing town could do about it. No offense as I remember it was your first game...Actually I think I'll shut up now.

[mandalorian2298]

While we're on the subject of Star Wars:

Why did a Mandalorian cross the road?

Because there was a bounty on the chicken.