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[captainwalrus]

(About /'s motive for not claiming)

HE GAVE NO REASON WHAT SO EVER

There was no reason for him to claim. He wasn't scum, there wasn't much to indicate that he was, and most people realized that.

[captainwalrus]

[quote="Rainbow Eater]My reason for voting cowboyz is because a cowboy hat was there. Why would the mod go out of the way to state that a cowboy hat there?[/quote]
For a mod to do something like that, and have it just be a blatant indication of who is scum would be a really really stupid move, and would throw the game. I trust that colton has some reasoning behind his move, and isn't just giving away info. I highly doubt that it is an indication of scum.

[Rainbow Eater]

Sorry If I;m going to double or triple post, but I didn't want to have to have to figure out who said what and when from that mess of tags.
First

I did trust him,I thought he was town to begin with. Then he was acting like he had something to hide instead of just claiming(which is scummy) so I voted for him.

What? That makes no sense. By that logic a mass claim is always best. Of course he could have something to hide, he could be a town power role!

Here you go:

can we get a prod on skoffin?
L-1 might get him to post...

Remember saying this? you wanted skoffin to post as well. Now you are back tracking. Any reason?
I wanted / to post something about the night, which he did not do so I put a vote on. He kept saying he had no reason to say anything. I kept saying that it was because he had votes and they were all removed because we were waiting for a replacement to post:

Vote Count

Skoffin(4)-safariguy5,DCR,wercool,???

Not Voting:cowboyz,gregwolf121,captainwalrus,Rainbow Eater,Skoffin

With 9 Alive It Takes 6 To Lynch

he was at L-2 and only at L-2 beacuse cowboyz,gregwolf121,captainwalrus,Rainbow Eater wanted a replacement to post.

People who wanted skoffin to claim:

few things

1. skoffin needs to say something
2. safari being scum mason? he would prob play it a bit different if he was. Telling us he was mason and who was investigated doesnt sound too scummy to me. just my thoughts
3. where did wercool go?
4. my vote has been stolen today...so whoever has it dont do anything too stupid

For now I would say FOS skoffin until he claims

hi sorry for the delay vote skoffin

we could try a mass roleclaim. or we could just have skoffin roleclaim

skoffin needs to roleclaim
mass roleclaims are no fun

vote skoffin

I'm his mason partner, he investigates Skoffin.

vote Skoffin

All of these people voted skoffin or wanted a claim..... yet you focus on me.... why because I am the most vocal? Your logic is horrible. At least I have made arguments for my claims and gave reasons for my votes unlike everyone else.

With all of these votes on /

(About /'s motive for not claiming)

HE GAVE NO REASON WHAT SO EVER

There was no reason for him to claim. He wasn't scum, there wasn't much to indicate that he was, and most people realized that.

do you really still agree with that? I don't see how you can, most people thought he was scum, which is why he got lynched.

[quote="Rainbow Eater]My reason for voting cowboyz is because a cowboy hat was there. Why would the mod go out of the way to state that a cowboy hat there?[/quote]
For a mod to do something like that, and have it just be a blatant indication of who is scum would be a really really stupid move, and would throw the game. I trust that colton has some reasoning behind his move, and isn't just giving away info. I highly doubt that it is an indication of scum.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Do you think that maybe this game has gotten so f'ed up with all the shitty people like skoffin who join and just quit that maybe this game has been way to lopsided and he is trying to even things out?


To Pancake: I am not reading your garbage anymore. I know for a fact you are scum. You are trying to OMGUS vote me for calling you out and it is not going to work.

unvote vote PCM burn in hell scum if cowboyz is scum, he will be dealt with later.

[captainwalrus]

I wanted him to post more, not claim!

[pancakemix]

Well, since RE has decided not to listen to reason, I'd ask the players in this game to read what I posted carefully, read RE's responses to my posts with equal caution, and then make a judgment of mine and his arguments based on that. I'm disappointed that he won't take a close look at my posts, but I'm sure you'll see what I'm pointing out if you read them.

[Rainbow Eater]

I wanted him to post more, not claim!

He posted nothing, gave no insite, and said he had no reason to do anything. He needed to claim. Our cop died investigating him. Explain to me why he should not claim? He did nothing so he got votes.

So why only question me and not anyone else on that list who voted for him? Why try and pin this farse on me? Was I the only vote? nope just the most vocal, which is who scum go after because usually they are easy to frame. but not this time:


Here is my point:

I first assume that skoffin is innocent and want to hear what happened:

mod can we get some prods here?

I would like to hear from skoffin, although I think she might be innocent

Sorry for not posting, I have been gone since Wednesday morning.

Anyways. The bandwagon on Skoffin is weak. The scene clearly portrays a Paranoid Gun Owner. These are usually town roles.

I think a scum mason is more likely.

Ok, Here is the info we have:

The people voting for AoG on Day one.

pancakemix, safariguy5, deathcomesrippin, captainwalrus, ???, wercool.

deathcomesrippin and ???? were secret votes and stolen votes, which gives us:

pancakemix, safariguy5, captainwalrus, wercool.

If you steal a vote or have a double vote, then you would probably put that vote on the person you are voting for. The double voter is probably town. The vote stealer could be but is probably not town. These people are probably on this bandwagon.

According to the scene Skoffin is a PGO, more than likely a town role. So the bandwagon on her seems odd.

The people voting for skoffin:

safariguy5, DCR, wercool

Safari claims to be mason, but what else are you besides mason?

besides Safari, wercool and Pancakemix are would be my prime suspects.

[b]vote wercool for being on both bandwagons with little reasoning behind each.

[/b]

wow I accuse pancake of being scum...... and now look..... wow oh wow......

Well, should we lynch the inactive? I can switch the stolen vote to put skoffin at L-1. I dunno who else would be a good target.

This seems really scummy. I think that you and pancake have something cooked up. That whole interaction between you two seems really fake.

unvote vote pancake

called out pancake and displayed his plan.............

Well, should we lynch the inactive? I can switch the stolen vote to put skoffin at L-1. I dunno who else would be a good target.

This seems really scummy. I think that you and pancake have something cooked up. That whole interaction between you two seems really fake.

unvote vote pancake

He asked me to prove claim and I did. You look scummy for trying to prevent a lynch. FOS Rainbow Eater

so wait I look scummy for preventing the lynch of skoffin?????? but you guys say I am scum for being the lead in skoffins or / lynch?

It is so obvious you guys are scum it is unreal.

Then here is where I get thrown for a loop

I must say that at least three of us are posting and posting well............... maybe the rest will follow suit.


I would love to hear from / 2.0

Confirm.
The Cop is dead?!?! I am in shock that such a valuable member of our community as him could have been killed.
I have read up, but as you say Rainbow, it doesn't really matter who got the vote, I'd imagine the point was for an uninvolved party to prove that he had control of it, rather than him just going along with whatever the "real" politician was doing then claiming afterwords.

like this

Let's say for the sake of the argument this is a four person game.
There are four roles Safari the mafia godfather, Pancake the vanilla, / the doublevoter and rainbow the vanilla
Safari:I am the doublevoter, here let me prove it
for an unrelated reason / puts his second vote on rainbow
Safari: See that was me, that proves it
/ would have to make an unnecessary claim to fix this, not knowing if there are other scum trying to weed out the extra vote
However if Pancake make the decision for him...
Pancake:Put the vote on me if you aren't lying
There is more room to disprove Safari without outing any townies, since the real voter would theoretically have no reason to go along with him.

I don't claim to believe anyone's claims yet, or to know what pancake's reason for doing it was, but if you wanted a logical reason for pancake to speak up, that is one reason why it's not necessarily a scum move.
Though either way I think it's such a subtle nuance it doesn't really say anything to me.

someone visited you last night and died, you need to claim.

This is where I tell / I want a claim...... If he would have said he was vanilla right here, this would not even be a debate because my vote would never have been on him, but instead I get this:

Anyways, as much as I would like to claim PGO, I doubt it would fool scum anyways, since they are the ones who killed /, I'd imagine.
1. If I were a PGO , why would I shoot me from behind rather than when I walked in?
2. If I were a PGO I would claim so, I have to reason to deny it.
3. If I were a PGO, Where did scum's kill go? / Was the only one to die that night.
4. If I am scum who voluntarily killed /, why did I need to replace?
5. If I were Scum who automatically killed /, why was there only one kill?

This leave only two possibilities, I am unknowingly an auto-killer, scum's kill was blocked somehow.
/'s death had nothing to do with me, it was a scum night kill.
Either way it doesn't correlate to any known scum role.

which is the run around, why give some one the run around if you are just vanilla?

That Cop was /, thank you very much.

that is too funny. you killed yourself.

Anyways, as much as I would like to claim PGO, I doubt it would fool scum anyways, since they are the ones who killed /, I'd imagine.
1. If I were a PGO , why would I shoot me from behind rather than when I walked in?

I can see this and have been thinking that you are not a PGO because of this.

2. If I were a PGO I would claim so, I have to reason to deny it.

True this would be an easy claim and I was going to bring up point 1 if you did claim.

3. If I were a PGO, Where did scum's kill go? / Was the only one to die that night.

They could have been role blocked, forgot to send in night actions, or your investigation might have thwarted their attempt or changed their plans

4. If I am scum who voluntarily killed /, why did I need to replace?

Why does anyone need to be replaced? Could be Christmas break and no computer, I have no idea.

5. If I were Scum who automatically killed /, why was there only one kill?

revert to my answer for number three.

This leave only two possibilities, I am unknowingly an auto-killer, scum's kill was blocked somehow.

there are more than two possibilities, but these two are some of them.

/'s death had nothing to do with me, it was a scum night kill.

Then why was it at your house?

I agree with 1 and 2.

3, 4, 5 really hold no water because of lack of information.

You still have not claimed and the kill was at your house. you really need to claim your role.


mod can we also get some prods on people who have not posted in a few pages.

Once again I ask for a claim and do not get it, all I get is the run around.

AND THEN I GET THIS:

It's quite pointless, Being visited by a cop means you killed a cop?
You are still missing the main point, there is no way that "I" had voluntarily made a kill, what you are accusing me of is that, I am scum who was investigated, and I therefor killed the cop.
How would Leading an investigation in anyway lead to a scum retaliation? This was night one, there was no evidence, how do you suppose scum would not only track the cop's action, but receive the result on the same night then off him?

If I had visited /, that would be reason for a claim, but there is absolutely no significant reason to suspect I could have visited him more than anyone else in the entire game, so what exactly are you accusing me of? The only role that would hold plausibility would be a PGO, which is a town role..... So your only possible motivation is to out a townie?

Also Skoffin has been gone since November, so...yeah.
Anyways, I don't need to claim, I have no votes on me, and town claiming needlessly just allows scum to be more selective in their kills.

Also vote Rainbow Eater, your accusations all game have been confusing and scummy.

/ voted for me because I am pressuring him after a cop died investigating him? some people need to think here. It was not until this point that I put a vote on skoffin or /.

you have no votes on you because we took them off until a new player arrived.

which we have been over 100 times as to why this was a stupid argument not to claim

vote /

you still have not claimed and are dancing around the issue.

which / continued to do even after he was at L-1. I did not vote for / until this time, yet pancake is trying to pin this on me.

This is absurd and he is only doing this because I called him out and caught him. The End.

[colton24]

Vote Count
cowboyz(1)-deathcomesrippin
PCM(2)-RE, ???
RE(1)-PCM

Not voting: everyone but DCR,RE,and PCM

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

[gregwolf121]

to step aside from the arguement im wondering if RE is the ???

[safariguy5]

Ok, there are two things here that I think need to be addressed.

1. We should not have replaced skoffin with /. It's like inheriting a tainted role like nagerous did in the Gunslinger Game that I did. I would suggest that you try not to have conflict of interest next time colton.

2. We need more people posting. So far, CW, PCM, RE, and I probably account for 65%+ of the posting. This means (as I have asked for multiple times) prodding those who aren't very active. DCR and cowboyz come immediately to mind.

This is the crux of the matter. Yesterday, there was a long discussion about whether or now I/PCM was scum. Also, long discussions about my role. Today, it's RE and PCM basically trying to prove the other is scum. I really wanted other people to chime in/vote on who they thought was scum. That turned out to not really happen.

So, on to the current discussion. While I neither have the time nor patience to go quoting things like RE and PCM are doing so well, I observe that RE has basically claimed that PCM and I are scumbuddies. This is a clever move, because should i vote RE or put any pressure on him whatsoever, he can immediately turn around and say its a scum bw and get either of us killed. Now, I have no idea what PCM's role is. It could very well be that he is scum and is doing a great job of deflecting the blame. However, I want to assert here and now, that I am not a scum politician, and I was the other mason. I submit this to the other players. Should you disagree about my claim, do not hesitate to vote me. Keep in mind, as PCM has stated, that I would make a terrible scum mason to pair with a power role. That severely imbalances the game. I also believe that I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am the politician.

As for the current debate, I believe that RE may just be mistaken again in terms of pegging PCM as scum. Again, without some more active posting, I cannot say for certain who to believe.

However, FOS gregwolf for some apparent submarining.

[deathcomesrippin]

I post!!! I just don't know how to look as well as you guys do into the other posts. I usually wait until someone throws something that makes sense in my mind. This is still my first game, as I think I posted twice in gunslinger until someone killed me.

I will unvote for now, as it seems from some arguments I read here that it would be a bit unfair for Colton to point at him like that. I am going to refrain from voting until I have more time to look over the posts....I am off for a bit.

[gregwolf121]

However, FOS gregwolf for some apparent submarining.

sorry for appering to submarine im confused by the arguement and this whole game in general, i have no comments to make so i simply don't post

[captainwalrus]

Our cop died investigating him. Explain to me why he should not claim?

At worst he was a PGO, which is not a scum role. There would be know way for him to know he would be investigated beforehand and that it would be by /, which is what it would take for him to know to kill /.

[Rainbow Eater]

Our cop died investigating him. Explain to me why he should not claim?

At worst he was a PGO, which is not a scum role. There would be know way for him to know he would be investigated beforehand and that it would be by /, which is what it would take for him to know to kill /.

and he should have said something, anything, but instead he said nothing. The more information that is out there helps the town not the scum. That is why mass claims are bad, they give out to much information and it would be to easy to pick who is scum.

[gregwolf121]

and he should have said something, anything, but instead he said nothing. The more information that is out there helps the town not the scum. That is why mass claims are bad, they give out to much information and it would be to easy to pick who is scum.

does anyone else think those two statements conflict, i do think mass claims are bad because that kind of ruins the game

[captainwalrus]

The more information that is out there helps the town not the scum. That is why mass claims are bad, they give out to much information and it would be to easy to pick who is scum.

First of all, not if that info is giving away that someone is a power role, then they are a big target for a night kill.
Second, what? Mass claims are bad because information is good for town? Don't we want to pick up scum?

[Rainbow Eater]

Information is good for the town, to much is bad for the game. stop trying to twist my words.

[gregwolf121]

you twisted them yourself others including me just pointed it out

[pancakemix]

Can we have some activity please? I've provided two humongous posts and opened it up to consideration of them. There ought to be at least some discussion and I don't want a deadline here.

[safariguy5]

Can the mod prod some of the more quiet people?

[gregwolf121]

well unvote cause i don't remember if i voted yet
and vote re best lead so far
mod can we get a vote count

[captainwalrus]

Vote Rainbow Eater
I think I am already, but he is really just twisting things around, being unnecessarily confusing, trying to confuse us townies.

[Rainbow Eater]

I am vanilla and I have no way to prove it.

[gregwolf121]

careful guys re is at l-1
meaning he is one vote short from being lynched

[Rainbow Eater]

careful guys re is at l-1
meaning he is one vote short from being lynched

ok? one of those votes is you. You know I have no way of proving my claim. So why do you want people to be careful? There is nothing more to say. I have no actions, so I can not prove anything. I suggest you CAREFULLY read the past 6 or so pages and you will see that I am not scum.

Before I get lynched and this game is over (we have not managed to get a single mafia member, so we are probably at a lynch wrong and lose, which is why people like / should have claimed and at least said something so we would not be in this situation) just read. That is all I ask, just read, if I am still scum in your mind, then vote for me. But if I am not, and if you do actually take the time to read, you can see who is mafia and who is not.

I have a feeling that people will not though and once the mafia see I am at L-1 they will hammer and win.

[Rainbow Eater]

bump