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[Rainbow Eater]

Fine by me, you want action?

unvote, vote Rainbow Eater

Nice OMGUS vote.

you just keep proving my point.

No, I just keep proving I'm the politician. You weren't convinced my roleclaim was genuine. This double vote of both me and the stolen vote should prove that yes, I am the politician. There was no OMGUS.

unvote

I did not say that you weren't a vote stealer. That was pretty easy to prove.

What I said was:

1) only thing that was proven was that a vote was moved. does not mean that you are not scum.

2) you are trying to lynch a PGO, which is a waste. This has been said by more than just me yet you don't really understand what that is. This is usually a town role and wanting to lynch a town role is a scummy move.

3) you are wanting to lynch an inactive with out getting someone in here to who might shed some light on this situation. This is a scummy move.

4) you FOS me which is weak, if you really felt strong about me, stand behind your statements and place a vote. This seems to be another scummy move.

All of theses are true, and scummy. I would like to believe you are not but you are not helping your case.

The reason I my vote is on Pancake is because of this:

Alright fine, I'll claim (without any pressure by votes mind you). I'm the politician (vote stealer). I stole DCR's vote day 1 because colton pm'ed me and said I had this special perk. I stole cowboyz vote night 1. I know some people think this to be scummy, but I can back this up by placing the stolen vote on anyone.

If that's the case, I'm willing to take a vote for you to prove a point.

This seems forced and fake. Who cares who he put the vote on and why speak out about it how you are willing to take it? This screams that I am scum, but look I am proving that I am town. You had no votes, you would not have gotten lynched, but it seems like you want to make it a big deal that you are taking the vote. my vote stands.

[captainwalrus]

why does it matter that he took the vote? It isn't like it changed the outcome.
I don't like how you are attempting to link pancake and safari, it seems really weak.
You don't seem scummy, just wrong, IMHO.

[colton24]

Vote Count

Skoffin(3)-DCR,wercool, gregwolf121
PCM(1)-Rainbow Eater


Not Voting:captainwalrus, Skoffin, safariguy5, cowboyz,???

With 9 Alive It Takes 6 To Lynch

[pancakemix]

I did not say that you weren't a vote stealer. That was pretty easy to prove.
What I said was:

1) only thing that was proven was that a vote was moved. does not mean that you are not scum.

2) you are trying to lynch a PGO, which is a waste. This has been said by more than just me yet you don't really understand what that is. This is usually a town role and wanting to lynch a town role is a scummy move.

3) you are wanting to lynch an inactive with out getting someone in here to who might shed some light on this situation. This is a scummy move.

4) you FOS me which is weak, if you really felt strong about me, stand behind your statements and place a vote. This seems to be another scummy move.

All of theses are true, and scummy. I would like to believe you are not but you are not helping your case.

The reason I my vote is on Pancake is because of this:

Alright fine, I'll claim (without any pressure by votes mind you). I'm the politician (vote stealer). I stole DCR's vote day 1 because colton pm'ed me and said I had this special perk. I stole cowboyz vote night 1. I know some people think this to be scummy, but I can back this up by placing the stolen vote on anyone.

If that's the case, I'm willing to take a vote for you to prove a point.

This seems forced and fake. Who cares who he put the vote on and why speak out about it how you are willing to take it? This screams that I am scum, but look I am proving that I am town. You had no votes, you would not have gotten lynched, but it seems like you want to make it a big deal that you are taking the vote. my vote stands.

To be fair, I NEVER said he couldn't be scum. But do you want to know why he 99/100 isn't? Because putting the cop as mason with a scum is stacked beyond all fairness. Absoloutely nothing could balance that out.

I agree with all this, as I clearly stated earlier.

So are you saying you wouldn't take the vote? Because I don't really think it matters who gets the vote. That's not a strong argument in the least.

Now this is something that scares me:

vote skoffin
reasons, im bored this is taking forever and why not

Those are three good reasons to vote gregwolf, even though all of them add up to a bandwagon.

[safariguy5]

To be fair, I NEVER said he couldn't be scum. But do you want to know why he 99/100 isn't? Because putting the cop as mason with a scum is stacked beyond all fairness. Absoloutely nothing could balance that out.

I never thought of that as a defense, PCM. Ok, here's how I see my defense of this role.

1. I claim I am the other mason.

2. I also claim I am the politician.

3. I claim I am town.

Now, these three things are mutually independent. You can believe some without the other. Now, I can't prove I am the mason because no PM quoting, but I did say what we discussed during the night. So if you don't believe me about that, I would understand, but given that nobody counterclaimed, I would say that everyone agrees I am.

On to the politician claim. I proved twice that I am the politician. Perhaps somebody else is just following what I say, but the vote I put on Rainbow Eater would require timing that is perfect as Colton's vote count came out not long after I announced voting for him. So I would say everyone agrees I am the politician.

I didn't have a good reason to prove I am town until PCM just said it. Admittedly, starting a BW on an inactive may seem scummy, but in my defense, nobody else had any tells.

So take it as it is, but at this point, it seems the first two statements being true point towards me being the town politician who is the other mason.

[colton24]

Announcement

/-2.0 Has Replaced Skoffin

Have A Nice Day...

[Rainbow Eater]

I must say that at least three of us are posting and posting well............... maybe the rest will follow suit.


I would love to hear from / 2.0

[Rainbow Eater]

So are you saying you wouldn't take the vote? Because I don't really think it matters who gets the vote. That's not a strong argument in the least.

my point about this post;

If that's the case, I'm willing to take a vote for you to prove a point.

Is that you jumped out to take the vote like you were taking one for the team, when like you said:

Because I don't really think it matters who gets the vote.

which is my point. why jump out to take the vote if it does not matter who gets the vote. seems like scum would to try and deflect any attention and make them seem town.

and yes:

Now this is something that scares me:

vote skoffin
reasons, im bored this is taking forever and why not

I agree this post seems odd especially since the skoffin debate was dropped a page ago or so.

[gregwolf121]

okay so im feeling lazy anyone want to sum up wats been going on so that i can catch up
thanks
byes

[wercool]

okay so im feeling lazy anyone want to sum up wats been going on so that i can catch up
thanks
byes

yah im realy confused can someone give me a run-down of whats going on.

[pancakemix]

why jump out to take the vote if it does not matter who gets the vote. seems like scum would to try and deflect any attention and make them seem town.

Because:

1. I was online

2. It was faster than picking someone else.

[captainwalrus]

Why don't we, in order to get more info and increase activity, Vote safari. If he turns out town, the heat is on rainbow tomorrow, if he is scum, we lynch PCM tomorrow and we will be in a great place after day 3.

[safariguy5]

Why don't we, in order to get more info and increase activity, Vote safari. If he turns out town, the heat is on rainbow tomorrow, if he is scum, we lynch PCM tomorrow and we will be in a great place after day 3.

Well, what if Rainbow was simply mistaken about thinking I'm scum? It's been stated before. I mean, half of my role has been made moot by my partner dying so early anyways, so i'm just the politician now. But will killing me have any bearing on rainbow? I think not. It's not a productive death IMHO. I still think / 2.0 needs to post.

[Rainbow Eater]

Why don't we, in order to get more info and increase activity, Vote safari. If he turns out town, the heat is on rainbow tomorrow, if he is scum, we lynch PCM tomorrow and we will be in a great place after day 3.

my vote is not on safari

[captainwalrus]

Why don't we, in order to get more info and increase activity, Vote safari. If he turns out town, the heat is on rainbow tomorrow, if he is scum, we lynch PCM tomorrow and we will be in a great place after day 3.

my vote is not on safari

Well why do you think PCM is scummy? Isn't because of his interaction with safari? so why do you suspect PCM more than safari?
While I think neither are really scum, I think doing what I said before would work best, especially if we have a town vig.

[Rainbow Eater]

Why don't we, in order to get more info and increase activity, Vote safari. If he turns out town, the heat is on rainbow tomorrow, if he is scum, we lynch PCM tomorrow and we will be in a great place after day 3.

my vote is not on safari

Well why do you think PCM is scummy? Isn't because of his interaction with safari? so why do you suspect PCM more than safari?
While I think neither are really scum, I think doing what I said before would work best, especially if we have a town vig.

dude, quit being lazy. read the past 2 or 3 pages.

[captainwalrus]

Why don't we, in order to get more info and increase activity, Vote safari. If he turns out town, the heat is on rainbow tomorrow, if he is scum, we lynch PCM tomorrow and we will be in a great place after day 3.

my vote is not on safari

Well why do you think PCM is scummy? Isn't because of his interaction with safari? so why do you suspect PCM more than safari?
While I think neither are really scum, I think doing what I said before would work best, especially if we have a town vig.

dude, quit being lazy. read the past 2 or 3 pages.

They were rhetorical, except for the last one.
Your argument seems to me to be, these two are linked together, and therefore probably scumbuddies, as shown by these few things X, Y and Z.
It is essentially the same point though, just different evidence. None of your evidence indicates that PCM is more likely to be scum than safari, yet you seem to act as if this is so.
From my point of view, while this may have started from you thinking they are linked (or it may have started from some other motive, no one can be innocent for sure) it has become just you attacking PCM, which I think is odd. Can you explain this?

[Rainbow Eater]

seriously man, read the past pages.

The reason I my vote is on Pancake is because of this:

Alright fine, I'll claim (without any pressure by votes mind you). I'm the politician (vote stealer). I stole DCR's vote day 1 because colton pm'ed me and said I had this special perk. I stole cowboyz vote night 1. I know some people think this to be scummy, but I can back this up by placing the stolen vote on anyone.

If that's the case, I'm willing to take a vote for you to prove a point.

This seems forced and fake. Who cares who he put the vote on and why speak out about it how you are willing to take it? This screams that I am scum, but look I am proving that I am town. You had no votes, you would not have gotten lynched, but it seems like you want to make it a big deal that you are taking the vote. my vote stands.

[captainwalrus]

Well, should we lynch the inactive? I can switch the stolen vote to put skoffin at L-1. I dunno who else would be a good target.

This seems really scummy. I think that you and pancake have something cooked up. That whole interaction between you two seems really fake.

unvote vote pancake

That sums up my concern.
The fakeness goes both ways, but you only attack PCM.

[/]

Confirm.
The Cop is dead?!?! I am in shock that such a valuable member of our community as him could have been killed.
I have read up, but as you say Rainbow, it doesn't really matter who got the vote, I'd imagine the point was for an uninvolved party to prove that he had control of it, rather than him just going along with whatever the "real" politician was doing then claiming afterwords.

like this

Let's say for the sake of the argument this is a four person game.
There are four roles Safari the mafia godfather, Pancake the vanilla, / the doublevoter and rainbow the vanilla
Safari:I am the doublevoter, here let me prove it
for an unrelated reason / puts his second vote on rainbow
Safari: See that was me, that proves it
/ would have to make an unnecessary claim to fix this, not knowing if there are other scum trying to weed out the extra vote
However if Pancake make the decision for him...
Pancake:Put the vote on me if you aren't lying
There is more room to disprove Safari without outing any townies, since the real voter would theoretically have no reason to go along with him.

I don't claim to believe anyone's claims yet, or to know what pancake's reason for doing it was, but if you wanted a logical reason for pancake to speak up, that is one reason why it's not necessarily a scum move.
Though either way I think it's such a subtle nuance it doesn't really say anything to me.

[Rainbow Eater]

Confirm.
The Cop is dead?!?! I am in shock that such a valuable member of our community as him could have been killed.
I have read up, but as you say Rainbow, it doesn't really matter who got the vote, I'd imagine the point was for an uninvolved party to prove that he had control of it, rather than him just going along with whatever the "real" politician was doing then claiming afterwords.

like this

Let's say for the sake of the argument this is a four person game.
There are four roles Safari the mafia godfather, Pancake the vanilla, / the doublevoter and rainbow the vanilla
Safari:I am the doublevoter, here let me prove it
for an unrelated reason / puts his second vote on rainbow
Safari: See that was me, that proves it
/ would have to make an unnecessary claim to fix this, not knowing if there are other scum trying to weed out the extra vote
However if Pancake make the decision for him...
Pancake:Put the vote on me if you aren't lying
There is more room to disprove Safari without outing any townies, since the real voter would theoretically have no reason to go along with him.

I don't claim to believe anyone's claims yet, or to know what pancake's reason for doing it was, but if you wanted a logical reason for pancake to speak up, that is one reason why it's not necessarily a scum move.
Though either way I think it's such a subtle nuance it doesn't really say anything to me.

someone visited you last night and died, you need to claim.

[captainwalrus]

Confirm.
The Cop is dead?!?! I am in shock that such a valuable member of our community as him could have been killed.
I have read up, but as you say Rainbow, it doesn't really matter who got the vote, I'd imagine the point was for an uninvolved party to prove that he had control of it, rather than him just going along with whatever the "real" politician was doing then claiming afterwords.

like this

Let's say for the sake of the argument this is a four person game.
There are four roles Safari the mafia godfather, Pancake the vanilla, / the doublevoter and rainbow the vanilla
Safari:I am the doublevoter, here let me prove it
for an unrelated reason / puts his second vote on rainbow
Safari: See that was me, that proves it
/ would have to make an unnecessary claim to fix this, not knowing if there are other scum trying to weed out the extra vote
However if Pancake make the decision for him...
Pancake:Put the vote on me if you aren't lying
There is more room to disprove Safari without outing any townies, since the real voter would theoretically have no reason to go along with him.

I don't claim to believe anyone's claims yet, or to know what pancake's reason for doing it was, but if you wanted a logical reason for pancake to speak up, that is one reason why it's not necessarily a scum move.
Though either way I think it's such a subtle nuance it doesn't really say anything to me.

someone visited you last night and died, you need to claim.

No he doesn't, that would be unfair. He can't use any info from his past role to help us in this role...

[colton24]

Vote Count

Skoffin(3)-DCR,wercool, gregwolf121
PCM(1)-Rainbow Eater
Safariguy5(1)-captainwalrus


Not Voting:/, safariguy5, cowboyz,???

With 9 Alive It Takes 6 To Lynch

[Rainbow Eater]

No he doesn't, that would be unfair. He can't use any info from his past role to help us in this role...

You really need to read the past pages and catch up before you keep talking.

Skofin was visited by Army of God, a pro town cop, who was killed while he was there. We had a 2 or 3 page debate on if skoffin was scum in which we said that we would wait for a replacement to come in and shed some light on the situation. / replaced skoffin. / needs to tell us what happened last night not only so we can figure out what happened, but also to clear his name. he is not using information from his past role he is using information from his current role.

[captainwalrus]

No he doesn't, that would be unfair. He can't use any info from his past role to help us in this role...

You really need to read the past pages and catch up before you keep talking.

Skofin was visited by Army of God, a pro town cop, who was killed while he was there. We had a 2 or 3 page debate on if skoffin was scum in which we said that we would wait for a replacement to come in and shed some light on the situation. / replaced skoffin. / needs to tell us what happened last night not only so we can figure out what happened, but also to clear his name. he is not using information from his past role he is using information from his current role.

Sorry, I mis read, I thought you said you visited someone last night and dies, you need to claim. my bad.