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[spiesr]

1. I didnt find you to be scum, I found colton to be scum through investigations, proving I am insane cop. Therefore using my past investigations I can prove that you are indeed last mafia.
2. Stroop couldnt frame you as we lynched him the day before. Dead people cant use actions

Stroop was lynched Day 4. You investigated me night 3 which was two night before you investigated me. So I could definitely have been framed by him. If you were insane this would cause you to receive a town result for me like you would for actual mafia members.

You are scum not I. You went along claiming to be a naive cop, a role the could reasonably be in this game, but now you see your chance to off the next to last townie and win the game. You look at your fake actions and see an opportunity to incriminate me by switching to claiming an insane cop. Well, you seem to have neglected that fact that this game already had an insane cop. I could believe that this game had two cops with different sanities, but not that it has two identical insane cops.

[cowboyz]

1. I didnt find you to be scum, I found colton to be scum through investigations, proving I am insane cop. Therefore using my past investigations I can prove that you are indeed last mafia.
2. Stroop couldnt frame you as we lynched him the day before. Dead people cant use actions

Stroop was lynched Day 4. You investigated me night 3 which was two night before you investigated me. So I could definitely have been framed by him. If you were insane this would cause you to receive a town result for me like you would for actual mafia members.

You are scum not I. You went along claiming to be a naive cop, a role the could reasonably be in this game, but now you see your chance to off the next to last townie and win the game. You look at your fake actions and see an opportunity to incriminate me by switching to claiming an insane cop. Well, you seem to have neglected that fact that this game already had an insane cop. I could believe that this game had two cops with different sanities, but not that it has two identical insane cops.

What in the hell are you talking about. None of that makes any sense. First of all, I investigated you Night 3 and you came up INNOCENT!! Just like I said. What are you going on about Stroop framing you for? I never said you came up guilty...ever. Using logic, its pretty easy to tell since safari came up innocent and was indeed mafia, and stroop came up innocent and was indeed mafia, then since you came up innocent as well you are mafia. Especially since colton came up guilty and he was in fact town. That is the definition of an insane cop. BTW I only realized I was insane cop after Colton came up Guilty with investigations, we all knew him to be town so that is what made me figure out my sanity. Pretty obvious.

Reread what I already posted

Actually Im so glad I investigated colton because...he came up guilty

So that means I am crazy?? No, just that I am not naive cop, Im insane cop. I just happened to investigate all mafia


Night 1 - safariguy5 = Innocent -- Safariguy5 (Mafia Roleblocker)
Night 2 - Stroop = Innocent -- Stroop (Mafia Framer)
Night 3 - spiesr = innocent -- ------->last mafia<-------
Night 4 - crazyirishman - roleblocked (ended up being town, died same night anyway) -- (Bodyguard/Mason)
Night 5 - colton = guilty -- colton24 (Vanilla Townie)

sorry for the triple post but new thoughts keep coming to me, this being who killed safari?

Im guessing that when they killed colton, one of the mafia members would be killed...some extra part of his role?

anyway vote spiesr

well played spiesr

OK, now on to the spiesr being a reviver/mason
I think he is telling the truth. But I also think he was turned into a werewolf at some point. It would explain his claim being true.
A third werewolf has always been a possibility, and it would also maybe explain how safari died last nite as well.

well my post wasn't that thoughtful just stating things how i see them for everyone else to say where im wrong in an attempt to find out who is mafia, or werewolf
and im going to do the same thing now
so we know that there are six of us alive

Players Alive:
gregwolf121
safariguy5
Stroop
colton24
cowboyz
spiesr

and we know that there have been 6 killed, lsu was killed twice

Dead:
pmchugh (Mafia Godfather), lynched Day 1
captainwalrus (Insane Cop), killed Night 2
LSU Tiger Josh (Werewolf), killed Nights 1 and 3
wercool (Werewolf), lynched Day 3 (replaced Squirrels Hat)
Crazyirishman (Bodyguard/Mason), killed Night 4.

ill start with the werewolves, im thinking that it started out with one were wolf and they can infect someone each night so still maybe one out there from the first night
as for mafia we know we killed one and im thinking there is at least one other one possible two.
we know there is a politician and the only one who knows who that is is the politician. so that leaves two town members with unknown powers.
and the only thought to scum i have is that colton isn't innocent, because it seems fishy to me that he keeps saying im town because i hammered the mafia godfather, anyone could do that.

Gregg you made a good post about that possibility earlier

FOS greg for his overly thoughtful post earlier
Only mafia put that much thought into this game

FOS cowboyz. Shitty WIFOM crap

Yes cowboyz, that is one of the lamest things you could come up with. Mafia as just as capable of being lazy as you.
Still don't really know where to go from here.
I would say though, that if we are at lynch or lose now it most likely means that there are two mafia and no werewolves left.

Spiesr quickly dismisses having the chance of having any werewolves left because....he is werewolf.

:oops: sorry i forgot about that
unvote alright so correct me if im wrong
gregwolf politician
stroop JOAT
spiesr reviver
colton secret double voter
safariguy roleblocker
cowboyz naive cop

That seems correct.

Spiesr is definitely the reviver then.
Colton was the secret double voter, but now vanilla.
Gregwolf is definitely the politician, possibly mafia?
Cowboyz claim has not and can not be confirmed. Naive cop is easy to fake.
My claim has not and can not be confirmed. My claim is also easy to fake.
Safariguy is a jailkeeper, possibly mafia roleblocker

The role that I am missing here, is Crazyirishman's mason partner. I'm also wondering if we have a third werewolf.

Stroop thought so as well


The main werewolf SquirrelsHat (replaced later by wercool) was alive for 3 nights before being lynched on Day 3. Plenty of time to turn another werewolf.

[gregwolf121]

well on one hand spiesr point of the improbability of their being two insane cops in one game is a valid point
but cowboyz pointing out theres another werewolf also makes sense.
so im still at a quandry, i don't know what to do my only thought is to kill one of you and tonight steal the others vote hoping i don't die so which one to lynch.
well ill decide later, before midnight but until midnight ill not vote

[cowboyz]

well on one hand spiesr point of the improbability of their being two insane cops in one game is a valid point
but cowboyz pointing out theres another werewolf also makes sense.
so im still at a quandry, i don't know what to do my only thought is to kill one of you and tonight steal the others vote hoping i don't die so which one to lynch.
well ill decide later, before midnight but until midnight ill not vote

Im not retarded. If I was gonna lie about my role, I would have chosen a role not already taken don't ya think? Just look at all the evidence and it's all pretty clear.

BTW greg, after today game is over
If you lynch me, its just you and spiesr left at night. He is werewolf and you die
If you lynch spiesr, town wins.

[spiesr]

What in the hell are you talking about. None of that makes any sense. First of all, I investigated you Night 3 and you came up INNOCENT!! Just like I said. What are you going on about Stroop framing you for? I never said you came up guilty...ever. Using logic, its pretty easy to tell since safari came up innocent and was indeed mafia, and stroop came up innocent and was indeed mafia, then since you came up innocent as well you are mafia. Especially since colton came up guilty and he was in fact town. That is the definition of an insane cop. BTW I only realized I was insane cop after Colton came up Guilty with investigations, we all knew him to be town so that is what made me figure out my sanity. Pretty obvious.

A person was framed would cause an innocent result to an insane cop.

Your point about there being a third werewolf does seem like it could be true. It would explain how there was a second kill last night. It seems like we would not have been at lylo yesterday if such a thing existed, but now that I think about it if we had lynched a town player yesterday the mafia killed the werewolf over it would have been game over. Anyhow, it seems odd that there have been no kills by the werewolfs in the past if they have been in the game up until now. But, yes it would be totally possible for a werewolf to have been recruited at some point in this game and still be around. For all we know the original werewolf could be here. But the whole deal confuses me. It seems like if there were werewolfs around every night and they had to power to either kill or recruit all those night that the game would be over by now. I guess that not knowing how exactly such roles work in this game it is impossible to rule out their existence at this point. None of the evidence that you gave for their being here has ruled out the possibility that you are the werewolf cowboyz.

I still can't believe that there are two insane cops in this game. I suppose that you could in theory be a random cop, but I find it much more likely that you are simply lying. You might be mafia, you might be werewolf, it doesn't matter that much which you are, because either way you are a threat to the town.

[cowboyz]

What in the hell are you talking about. None of that makes any sense. First of all, I investigated you Night 3 and you came up INNOCENT!! Just like I said. What are you going on about Stroop framing you for? I never said you came up guilty...ever. Using logic, its pretty easy to tell since safari came up innocent and was indeed mafia, and stroop came up innocent and was indeed mafia, then since you came up innocent as well you are mafia. Especially since colton came up guilty and he was in fact town. That is the definition of an insane cop. BTW I only realized I was insane cop after Colton came up Guilty with investigations, we all knew him to be town so that is what made me figure out my sanity. Pretty obvious.

A person was framed would cause an innocent result to an insane cop.

Your point about there being a third werewolf does seem like it could be true. It would explain how there was a second kill last night. It seems like we would not have been at lylo yesterday if such a thing existed, but now that I think about it if we had lynched a town player yesterday the mafia killed the werewolf over it would have been game over. Anyhow, it seems odd that there have been no kills by the werewolfs in the past if they have been in the game up until now. But, yes it would be totally possible for a werewolf to have been recruited at some point in this game and still be around. For all we know the original werewolf could be here. But the whole deal confuses me. It seems like if there were werewolfs around every night and they had to power to either kill or recruit all those night that the game would be over by now. I guess that not knowing how exactly such roles work in this game it is impossible to rule out their existence at this point. None of the evidence that you gave for their being here has ruled out the possibility that you are the werewolf cowboyz.

I still can't believe that there are two insane cops in this game. I suppose that you could in theory be a random cop, but I find it much more likely that you are simply lying. You might be mafia, you might be werewolf, it doesn't matter that much which you are, because either way you are a threat to the town.

The framer is a special Mafia member. In addition to waking at night with the other mafia and killing someone, he has the ability to frame another member of the village. Each night after the mafia have chosen who to kill the framer indicates whom he would like to frame. If this person is investigated by the detective that night he is found to be guilty.

Stroop framing an innocent townie would make them look guilty. My investigations came up with you being innocent
So you are saying you were framed by Stroop and I am in fact an insane cop?
Even if that happened. It just proves that Stroop was framer and I am insane cop. Thanks for that.

And you're plan of trying to turn everything I bring to the table back on me is pretty weak.
What kinda retard would I be to bring up the possiblity of there being werewolves left if I was in fact a werewolf?

Before you tried to rule out the possibility of a werewolf being left, but now you say it is in fact possible and that I am it.
Keep flip flopping. It really helps my case.

[spiesr]

Yesterday I stated that I did not believe that there were any werewolves left as I didn't think there could be more than one antitown faction if we were at lylo. Today a mafia member turned up dead. A werewolf is a decent of explanation for this. In light of new information I reconsidered my previous theory.

[gregwolf121]

i know i said midnight would be when i voted but this is hard so im going to read the whole thread and decide sometime to day i promise.

[gregwolf121]

well i looked through everything and i have several questions
first off this werewolf thing makes no sense at all
summing stuff up
n1 lsu killed
d1pmc lynched
n2cw killed
n2lsu revived
d2nolynch
n3lsu killed
d3wercool lynched
n4 crazyirishman killed
d4stroop lynched
n5 safariguy killed
n5 colton killed


so im think n1 the first werewolf became a werewolf
n2 one of you was turned into the werewolf
n3 lsu was both turned into a werewolf and killed
d3 werecool original werewolf killed, only one able to turn others because no other werewolves have shown up


and cowboys way back you were suspicious of colton yet you didn't investigate him why?

spiesr you revived lsu on night 1 right


please answer questions

[spiesr]

spiesr you revived lsu on night 1 right

Night 2 actually. Remember that night 2 came right after day 1 and that night 1 was before any days at the very start of thew game.

[gregwolf121]

well using logic and other means im still at a quandry, so im going to go with my gut instinct sorry if im wrong

vote cowboyz

lets hope im right

[gregwolf121]

if im wrong my guts the tratior not me

[cowboyz]

sorry town, a retarded samurai killed us

[gregwolf121]

name calling doesnt help

and dont dis the samurai he can get very angry

[AceArtemis]

-Vote Count-

cowboyz (2)- spiesr, gregwolf121
spiesr (1)- cowboyz

Not Voting: No one

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

Final Scene coming up in 15-30 minutes.

[AceArtemis]

-Scene-

After the first night with multiple deaths, the town started to debate who might have caused these deaths. Eventually, it turned into a heated debate between cowboyz and spiesr. This debate lasted for a few hours, after which gregwolf121, who had no idea who to choose for a lynching, couldn't take it anymore and went with his gut. Cowboyz was strung up from the closest tree.

cowboyz (Insane Cop) has been lynched!

Immediately after, spiesr pulled out his gun. Gregwolf said to spiesr, "I thought you were town". Famous last words.

gregwolf121 (Politician) has been endgamed!
spiesr (Mafia Godfather/Mason) has won!

[AceArtemis]

-Notes-

spiesr's role was initally a town janitor, and he was given the option of changing clothes with any dead body to obtain their role and win condition. He chose pmchugh's role, and become a mafia godfather without any scumbuddies. One thing he doesn't know about his role, is that if he had chosen the Watcher or either Insane Cop, he would have been a naive cop or naive watcher. He was telling the truth in that he actually did get framed Night 3 by Stroop.

colton24's role was initally a secret doublevoter, and he turned into a vanilla townie once he claimed. It was a part of his role.

Squirrels Hat/Wercool was initally a Sorcerer, basically a roleblocker with a 1-shot nightkill immunity. Because of the sorcerer's curse, the first person to die would automatically come back as a werewolf 1 day and 1 night later. So, LSU came back as a werewolf. This reincarnation was a scripted part of the game, not a choosable action. The Sorcerer turned into a werewolf once LSU died (the second time), also as part of the "curse".

[safariguy5]

nice game, I had no idea that spiesr was gonna turn into one of us. I killed colton on the last night because I thought that cowboyz was the only other suspicious claim and I could try to get him lynched during the day. Oh well, at least mafia sort of won. I'll take it.

[gregwolf121]

crap
sorry guys

but let this be a lesson to you all never let the politician decide
sorry cowboyz shouldn't have doubted you

[spiesr]

=D> nice game, I had no idea that spiesr was gonna turn into one of us. I killed colton on the last night because I thought that cowboyz was the only other suspicious claim and I could try to get him lynched during the day. Oh well, at least mafia sort of won. I'll take it.

Actually your mafia group lost as I was in my own group...

[AceArtemis]

=D> nice game, I had no idea that spiesr was gonna turn into one of us. I killed colton on the last night because I thought that cowboyz was the only other suspicious claim and I could try to get him lynched during the day. Oh well, at least mafia sort of won. I'll take it.

Actually your mafia group lost as I was in my own group...

Right. Spiesr is the only player who won. Everyone else lost.

[colton24]

DAMN! Now safari your resoning on killing me?

[pmchugh]

30 pages? impreessiver sorry for pullin out ut you board me lol (yes that was deliberate mispelling)

[Stroop]

So I should have counter-claimed reviver after all... I was considering it but went with the safer claim that got me killed

Well played, spiesr.

[gregwolf121]

stroop reviver would have been a better claim yours seemed questionable