KICKED OUT FOR RULES VIOLATION- consequences for teammates?

[beersurfer]

Concise description:The teammates of players who have been kicked out for any (doesnt matter why) reason, should not be punished for the guilty person's mistakes.

the same team:

• 1) the loss makes the game 3-player vs. 2-player or 4-player vs. 3-player instantaneously
• 2) the loss of the 3 army drop each turn is devastating
• 3) the loss of not having an extra attacker
• 4) the loss of not having an extra fortification each round
• 5) the loss of points from being disadvantaged (in ten games at 30 points a game is 300 points)
• 6) the actual loss going on you record (those of us who competitively play care about our win percentages)
• 7) the automatic disadvantage of the opponents having back-to-back turns
  the opposing team:
• 8) free points for doing nothing to win
• 9) back-to-back turns to stack the armies up to crush the other team
• 10) free win for percentage rate
• 11) no real test of skills to conquer the other team
• 12) no satisfaction in victory
• 13) no strategy required
• 14) its a gimme ... lets see if we can cause someone else to get kicked out for more free points

Specifics:Mystique was recently kicked out and I am personally in several games with him. Because he was kicked out ... our entire team now has to suffer the loss. I was actively in ten games with him when this occurred and i had no idea he was cheating or whatever he was doing to get kicked out. I especially couldnt believe that the games were still active.

My suggestion is to eliminate all active and waiting games the violator is participating in ... unbiased and str8 to the point.
What's not fair is that i have to not only endure the misery of multiple game losses that i have no control of; i am going to potentially lose around 300 points for something, I, in absolutely no way or fashion, had any idea about and did nothing wrong on my part ... same with our other teammates

• Game 5596729
• Game 5618769
• Game 5672302
• Game 5687499
• Game 5716717
• Game 5735556 (this was a great battle round 8.) and our opponents even said, "2009-10-21 07:38:36 - tyler197802198: this game is hardly evenly matched any more - sorry, guys . . ."
• Game 5743355 (this game was round 1)
• Game 5754747 (this game was round 2)
  the other2 games have finished since it happened

This will improve the following aspects of the site: innocent bystanders dont have to be punished or face unwelcome circumstances due to the results of one player's illegal actions

• the games you are winning will disappear along with the games you are losing ... it is as fair and unbiased as anyone can hope for
• no loss of points for any of the parties involved... or percentage losses ... its like the game never happened ... no harm no foul

[Woodruff]

Concise description:The teammates of players who have been kicked out for any (doesnt matter why) reason, should not be punished for the guilty person's mistakes.

the same team:

• 1) the loss makes the game 3-player vs. 2-player or 4-player vs. 3-player instantaneously
• 2) the loss of the 3 army drop each turn is devastating
• 3) the loss of not having an extra attacker
• 4) the loss of not having an extra fortification each round
• 5) the loss of points from being disadvantaged (in ten games at 30 points a game is 300 points)
• 6) the actual loss going on you record (those of us who competitively play care about our win percentages)
• 7) the automatic disadvantage of the opponents having back-to-back turns
  the opposing team:
• 8) free points for doing nothing to win
• 9) back-to-back turns to stack the armies up to crush the other team
• 10) free win for percentage rate
• 11) no real test of skills to conquer the other team
• 12) no satisfaction in victory
• 13) no strategy required
• 14) its a gimme ... lets see if we can cause someone else to get kicked out for more free points

Specifics:Mystique was recently kicked out and I am personally in several games with him. Because he was kicked out ... our entire team now has to suffer the loss. I was actively in ten games with him when this occurred and i had no idea he was cheating or whatever he was doing to get kicked out. I especially couldnt believe that the games were still active.

My suggestion is to eliminate all active and waiting games the violator is participating in ... unbiased and str8 to the point.
What's not fair is that i have to not only endure the misery of multiple game losses that i have no control of; i am going to potentially lose around 300 points for something, I, in absolutely no way or fashion, had any idea about and did nothing wrong on my part ... same with our other teammates

• Game 5596729
• Game 5618769
• Game 5672302
• Game 5687499
• Game 5716717
• Game 5735556 (this was a great battle round 8.) and our opponents even said, "2009-10-21 07:38:36 - tyler197802198: this game is hardly evenly matched any more - sorry, guys . . ."
• Game 5743355 (this game was round 1)
• Game 5754747 (this game was round 2)
  the other2 games have finished since it happened

This will improve the following aspects of the site: innocent bystanders dont have to be punished or face unwelcome circumstances due to the results of one player's illegal actions

• the games you are winning will disappear along with the games you are losing ... it is as fair and unbiased as anyone can hope for
• no loss of points for any of the parties involved... or percentage losses ... its like the game never happened ... no harm no foul

It seems to me that prior to this being implemented, there was a massive hue and cry about how unfair it was THE OTHER WAY.

It also seems to me that lackattack has stated that he won't eliminate games (as if they never existed), due to problems it seems to cause in the database (I've never understood this, from my programming background, but that's how I recall it). So I think we're stuck with one or the other, for that reason.

It seems to me that this is more fair than the reverse because while you were not guilty, you were "involved by association" whereas the other team wasn't involved at all with the guilty party.

Honestly though...people that are this wrapped up in their "points" should re-examine their life, in my opinion.

[beersurfer]

It seems to me that this is more fair than the reverse because while you were not guilty, you were "involved by association" whereas the other team wasn't involved at all with the guilty party.

you should be real easy on your accusations... there is no need ... all i did was play stupid games with the guy... your "involved by association" infers that i actually knew the guy outside of the website and supported his actions, but didnt actually participate... which is not even close to the case ...

Honestly though...people that are this wrapped up in their "points" should re-examine their life, in my opinion.

This coming from a guy who has only won 25% of 1770+ games and only takes 99% of his turns ... i fully understand why you would think the way you do

Honestly though ... people that are this wrapped up in "other people's complaints on conquer club" should re-examine their life , in my opinion.

You just have to throw your punches in where ever you can, huh, woodruff? and you OBVIOUSLY dont care about your points, or maybe you would have some... wasnt it enough to leave your "personal opinions" in the other thread i created... did you have to bring them over here. I mean, im never gonna get a straight answer with rude disrespecting comments all around my actual issue here... this is not for your "opinion" ... you can start your own thread for your "opinions"

this thread is to address a shitty situation that I (me, myself) am dealing with ... DO EVERYONE A FAVOR AND KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF I know it makes you feel better about yourself to try and belittle other people, but it really just makes you stand out as an irrational wanna-be know-it-all...

this thread is for action and change not opinions ... do i need to spell it out another way ... i got enough opinions in the other thread to write a book ... but none of them address the isssue at hand ...

[lord voldemort]

I think that lack has been pretty clear on this...deleting games isnt an option...The specific's of why I don't personally know.
However I think the current situation we are in with people being website banned and the consequences that has (being kicked from games) is fair.

[beersurfer]

I think that lack has been pretty clear on this...deleting games isnt an option...The specific's of why I don't personally know.
However I think the current situation we are in with people being website banned and the consequences that has (being kicked from games) is fair.

fair to whom? ... is sure isnt fair to the innocent bystanders... like myself ... but conquer club has my money and doesn't care about appeasing anyone, except whatever is easier for the "company" to do... just as bad as typical corporate america ...

"if our product is only killing 13 out of 5,000 ... its not monetarily efficient to devise a way to stop the killing .... just let em die, we'll get our money!!!!!"

[lord voldemort]

well until YOU come up with a better soloution...what more can the canadian company do
It has nothing to do with premium or non-premium members either btw
Pretty much until a better way is found then we have to live by how it is

[beersurfer]

I think that lack has been pretty clear on this...deleting games isnt an option...

i was referring to this statement above... it isnt cost effective to rewrite some code in order to delete some games ... that's what i get out of it ... someone would have to actually work on it and figure out why it isnt a viable option at this point (but it could be an option)

it would really be a simple program maybe 5 hours of coding, with maybe 8 hours of debugging to implement it into the system, so all that had to be done is "insert name and click a button" and the games could be dropped and all players affected would be notified by email, and its easy to keep a record of the game as unfinished, so you wouldnt have to worry about the games being deleted completely, just blanked out and the game number would still reside in the system... this is the 21st century ... we make computers and we tell them what to do... bottom line ...

so to say "deleting games isnt an option", is a cost effective way to say "we aren't going to do it"

and i'm sure you havent had a player who was actually in 10 games with an individual who was kicked out

i lose games and points and nobody really cares ...

most of the comments i've received from this whole issue are from genuine players who feel the same way i do ... except for a few who just want to put their few cents in (whether its relevant or not)...

i havent heard one strong argument against my idea ... just negative comments about what has happened in the past

but thanks for your time LV ... i know its not your fault ... and there is nothing you can do to help me ... i got that from your original comment in the Q&A thread----- but i, myself, am not as vulnerable to being beaten by a multi... multi-s dont play trips and quads with any relative advantage

[Woodruff]

It seems to me that this is more fair than the reverse because while you were not guilty, you were "involved by association" whereas the other team wasn't involved at all with the guilty party.

you should be real easy on your accusations... there is no need ...

It's not an accusation...it's a statement of fact. You voluntarily teamed with the guy whereas the opposing team did not.

all i did was play stupid games with the guy... your "involved by association" infers that i actually knew the guy outside of the website and supported his actions, but didnt actually participate... which is not even close to the case ...

I didn't intend for it to mean that, so I apologize for it coming across that way. What I meant was that in terms of "his teammates or his opponents", it makes more sense for the teammates to take a hit than the opponents (though I tend to agree that neither is particularly fair).

Your dishonesty is palpable.

Honestly though...people that are this wrapped up in their "points" should re-examine their life, in my opinion.

This coming from a guy who has only won 25% of 1770+ games and only takes 99% of his turns ... i fully understand why you would think the way you do

Oh, that's hilarious. You clearly don't have even a basic understanding of WHY my win percentage sits where it does. Tell you what...play me five games on random maps. Then perhaps you'll have a good feel for "why I think the way I do". Can you stand the challenge?

Honestly though ... people that are this wrapped up in "other people's complaints on conquer club" should re-examine their life, in my opinion.

You just have to throw your punches in where ever you can, huh, woodruff? and you OBVIOUSLY dont care about your points, or maybe you would have some...

Again, your lack of understanding of my score is embarrassing you...so will you be taking me up on my challenge? I'm ready for you to "prove me wrong" on the playing field.

wasnt it enough to leave your "personal opinions" in the other thread i created... did you have to bring them over here. I mean, im never gonna get a straight answer with rude disrespecting comments all around my actual issue here... this is not for your "opinion" ... you can start your own thread for your "opinions"

You mean this isn't a public forum? Yeah, that's what I thought. Try again.

this thread is to address a shitty situation that I (me, myself) am dealing with ... DO EVERYONE A FAVOR AND KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF I know it makes you feel better about yourself to try and belittle other people, but it really just makes you stand out as an irrational wanna-be know-it-all...

You should really try to control your anger instead of letting it control you.

[Thezzaruz]

My suggestion is to eliminate all active and waiting games the violator is participating in

That's not a good suggestion (nor a good solution to the issue) though. Deleting the active games is not fair to anyone of the players not being kicked and deleting not yet started games is just plain stupid.

well until YOU come up with a better soloution...

But there was a better solution just weeks ago. Auto kicking offenders directly instead of after 3 turns had much less negative effect on almost all the affected games (and in the ones where it had a bigger effect that came from the deferred troops rule acting up).

It seems to me that prior to this being implemented, there was a massive hue and cry about how unfair it was THE OTHER WAY.

Not really. People thought it was unfair that offenders got to finish their games and thus potentially winning points while doing that. However that issue was fixed by the "banned players gets auto kicked" rule change. It was when lack added the "auto kicked after 3 turns" rule that this new issue surfaced.

It also seems to me that lackattack has stated that he won't eliminate games (as if they never existed), due to problems it seems to cause in the database (I've never understood this, from my programming background, but that's how I recall it). So I think we're stuck with one or the other, for that reason.

Not really. As per my reply to lovo above there was a middle ground that IMO is a much better solution.

It seems to me that this is more fair than the reverse because while you were not guilty, you were "involved by association" whereas the other team wasn't involved at all with the guilty party.

That's a BS argument though. beersurfer wasn't in any way associated with the offence that was committed. His only association was that he played in a game that the offender also played in but that goes likewise for the opposing team.