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Ham wrote:If there wasnt a Jesus why would he be a prophet in Islam, and Judaism, as well as Son of God in Christaianity.
Is religion a worldwide conspiracy ?
lol
Yeah I beleive in the Bible and what it says.
Ham wrote:If there wasnt a Jesus why would he be a prophet in Islam,
and Judaism,
as well as Son of God in Christaianity.
Is religion a worldwide conspiracy?
lol
Yeah I beleive in the Bible and what it says.
Backglass wrote:Was he a real person? Most likely.
Blueoctober wrote:chances are he was a real person. myths dont just start they evolve over time from fact
Blueoctober wrote:its actually common sense
Jesse, Bad Boy wrote:Ham wrote:If there wasnt a Jesus why would he be a prophet in Islam,
Islam was founded nearly 500 years after the supposed death of Christ. That's alot of time for a rumor to become accepted as truth. Moreover, that was simply an appeal to the Christians at the time. It doesn't speak to the validity of Jesus existence.and Judaism,
LOL. Wut?Is religion a worldwide conspiracy?
You forgot all about Buddhism, Hinduism, Daoism, etc. etc.,
Don't be so arrogant to think that the only religions are the Abrahamic-Semitic ones.Yeah I beleive in the Bible and what it says.
Clearly, at the expense of greater intelligence.
Blueoctober wrote:how often do you just make something up to explain something you dont understand?
Ham wrote:Yeah jesus is a prophet in Judaism.
How was I being arrogant by not listing other religions. I just listed the 3 major ones and the base about what we're discussing.
I lol'ed because I wasnt trying to be serious about the whole religion conspiracy statement.
So just because I'm at christian your calling me dumb ?
Caleb the Cruel wrote:I request that a mod do one of two things:
1. Jamie's thread, "Did you know Muhammad was a homosexual?", be unlocked.
2. This thread be locked as well.
Ham wrote:Your proof : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Judaism.27s_view
Judaism holds the idea of Jesus being God, or part of a Trinity, or a mediator to God, to be heresy.(Emunoth ve-Deoth, II:5) Judaism also holds that Jesus is not the Messiah, arguing that he had not fulfilled the Messianic prophecies in the Tanakh nor embodied the personal qualifications of the Messiah.[86]
The Mishneh Torah (an authoritative work of Jewish law) states:
Even Jesus the Nazarene who imagined that he would be Messiah and was killed by the court, was already prophesied by Daniel. So that it was said, “And the members of the outlaws of your nation would be carried to make a (prophetic) vision stand. And they stumbled” (Daniel 11.14). Because, is there a greater stumbling-block than this one? So that all of the prophets spoke that the Messiah redeems Israel, and saves them, and gathers their banished ones, and strengthens their commandments. And this one caused (nations) to destroy Israel by sword, and to scatter their remnant, and to humiliate them, and to exchange the Torah, and to make the majority of the world err to serve a divinity besides God. However, the thoughts of the Creator of the world — there is no force in a human to attain them because our ways are not God's ways, and our thoughts not God's thoughts. And all these things of Jesus the Nazarene, and of (Muhammad) the Ishmaelite who stood after him — there is no (purpose) but to straighten out the way for the King Messiah, and to restore all the world to serve God together. So that it is said, “Because then I will turn toward the nations (giving them) a clear lip, to call all of them in the name of God and to serve God (shoulder to shoulder as) one shoulder” (Zephaniah 3.9). Look how all the world already becomes full of the things of the Messiah, and the things of the Torah, and the things of the commandments! And these things spread among the far islands and among the many nations uncircumcised of heart. (Hilkhot Melakhim 11:10–12)[87]
Reform Judaism, the modern progressive movement, states For us in the Jewish community anyone who claims that Jesus is their savior is no longer a Jew and is an apostate. (Contemporary American Reform Responsa, #68).[88]
According to Jewish tradition, there were no more prophets after 420 BC/BCE, Malachi being the last prophet, who lived centuries before Jesus. Judaism states that Jesus did not fulfill the requirements set by the Torah to prove that he was a prophet. Even if Jesus had produced such a sign that Judaism recognized, Judaism states that no prophet or dreamer can contradict the laws already stated in the Torah, which Judaism states Jesus did. (Devarim 13:1–5)[89]
The Mishneh Torah (משנה תורה), subtitled Yad ha-Chazaka (יד החזקה), is a code of Jewish law by one of the most important Jewish authorities, Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, better known as Maimonides or by the Hebrew abbreviation RaMBaM (usually written "Rambam" in English). The Mishneh Torah was compiled between 1170 and 1180, while he was living in Egypt, and is regarded as Maimonides' magnum opus.
unriggable wrote:Innocent until proven guilty - until you have proof that he doesn't exst, he did. Maybe he wasn't literate? Ever think of that? I don't need to write stuff down to confirm my existence.
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Religion-bashing is specifically mentioned in the forum guidelines, so I request that this thread be locked for questioning, mocking, and bashing a religion, Christianity.
vtmarik wrote:Have you noticed that a mod hasn't locked it? Do you know why?
Caleb the Cruel wrote:vtmarik wrote:Have you noticed that a mod hasn't locked it? Do you know why?
Yes, because I haven't contacted one personally...yet.
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