Counter-Terrorism Mafia SPIESR'S A BITCH AND TOWN WINS!

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count:

cena-rules (1) – Mr. Squirrel
Thezzaruz (3) – pmchugh, spiesr, sam_levi_11
pmchugh (1) – Thezzaruz
spiesr (1) - captainwalrus

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

unvote vote spiesr
It seems like I forgot to unvote before.

[captainwalrus]

My point of view.

• First, PMC looks scummy for presing to lynch Thez on really weak grounds.
• PMC seems scummiest, but I am not saying that I am sure he is scum, I am voting for him because I think he is scummy, but I am not pressinge for a fast lynch like PMC was doing to Thez.
• Spiser looks odd for first asking who was winning, as if he know one was scum and one was town, but then only voting for thez after like 4 pages, instead of earlier, but no real evidence or anything came out.
• Maybe I am wrong and Thez is scum, but the reasons that PMC gives for thinking him scummy are just not that solid.
• If thez claimes though, that might porve his innocence more, so maybe he should.

[Thezzaruz]

[*] PMC seems scummiest, but I am not saying that I am sure he is scum, I am voting for him because I think he is scummy[/list]

Eh, the list has you voting for spiesr mate.

[captainwalrus]

Right, thanks for pointing that out!, Vote PMC

[Mr. Squirrel]

Right, thanks for pointing that out!, Vote PMC

gotta unvote first

[spiesr]

Okay, so captianwalrus, do you have anything to say in response to what pancakemix said about you?

[captainwalrus]

Okay, so captianwalrus, do you have anything to say in response to what pancakemix said about you?

See my list above, it answers everything, I think.

[pmchugh]

My point of view.

• First, PMC looks scummy for presing to lynch Thez on really weak grounds.
• PMC seems scummiest, but I am not saying that I am sure he is scum, I am voting for him because I think he is scummy, but I am not pressinge for a fast lynch like PMC was doing to Thez.
• Spiser looks odd for first asking who was winning, as if he know one was scum and one was town, but then only voting for thez after like 4 pages, instead of earlier, but no real evidence or anything came out.
• Maybe I am wrong and Thez is scum, but the reasons that PMC gives for thinking him scummy are just not that solid.
• If thez claimes though, that might porve his innocence more, so maybe he should.

Really weak grounds? Bullshit. Pressing to lynch? Bullshit. How many times do i have to say jsut cause you argue with them just cause you vote for them, does not mean you want them lynched.

Pressing for a fast lynch? More bullshit.

Just not that solid, they are a lot better than any reasons you have given.

Why would you want thez to claim if you don't find him scummy?

We don't have to end the day after one argument, there is no deadline (that i know of) so we have plenty of time discuss it and no one needs to claim anything yet.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Just not that solid, they are a lot better than any reasons you have given.

Just because you give better reasons than him, doesn't necessarily mean your argument is all that good either. I think both of your arguments suck.

Why would you want thez to claim if you don't find him scummy?

We don't have to end the day after one argument, there is no deadline (that i know of) so we have plenty of time discuss it and no one needs to claim anything yet.

I agree with this statement. There is no reason for thez to claim right now. The fact that you want him to is fairly scummy CW.

How many times do i have to say jsut cause you argue with them just cause you vote for them, does not mean you want them lynched.

This is true, especially for you pmc. In almost all of the games I've been in with you, you will argue and pursue one person to get more information even if you don't think they're scum. It is because of this that I'm voting spiesr and not you. Spiesr seems to be piggybacking on your points and pressing for thez's lynch.

[pancakemix]

My point of view.

• First, PMC looks scummy for presing to lynch Thez on really weak grounds.
• PMC seems scummiest, but I am not saying that I am sure he is scum, I am voting for him because I think he is scummy, but I am not pressinge for a fast lynch like PMC was doing to Thez.
  
• Spiser looks odd for first asking who was winning, as if he know one was scum and one was town, but then only voting for thez after like 4 pages, instead of earlier, but no real evidence or anything came out.
• Maybe I am wrong and Thez is scum, but the reasons that PMC gives for thinking him scummy are just not that solid.
  
• If thez claimes though, that might porve his innocence more, so maybe he should.

Well, as it was stated, your vote was NOT on PMC, but on spiesr. It also appears that it still is.

When there is an argument, it's not unusual for people to take sides. It's that simple. And just because you think PMC didn't have a case doesn't make it so. I'll say it again: I believed PMC had the stronger case, but neither deserved a vote.

Um... what?

I'd like to point out that this post does nothing whatsoever to counteract what I outlined earlier. It's also worth noting that the "who is winning" post you keep referring to has nothing to do with the actual game itself. I'll quote it for the sake of argument:

I don't think we have heard much from sam_levi and is pancakemix deadbeating on us?
I am interesting in hearing everyone's take on pmc vs thezzz and who they think is winning...

Clearly in context, this is talking about the argument between thez and PMC, NOT the game in general, as your response seems to imply:

I think the mafia is winning. I don't think that wither of them are actually scum, and they are just distracting themselves from trying to figure out who is scum.
Thez is not that scummy.

As I mentioned earlier, this post has no indication of taking either side, except for mentioning that thez is not scummy. The comment about the mafia still strikes me, though. I commented earlier that this seemed to be pushing for an end to discussion. I am still awaiting a reply to that. This and the bus driver remark seem to denote that you know something we don't. That, your adamant approach regarding PMC and spiesr getting lynched NAO, and the fact that you have NOT replied to my argument, all lead me to believe that you are scummier than both thez and PMC.

[captainwalrus]

About the claim, I figured if he would claim, then we wouldn't have 3 people wasting their vote on someone innocent like thez, but after I thought it out that makes no scence, I realize that now.

About the busdriver, my action was redirected, so I was wondering who did it, mafia or town.

Also, After re-reading, I am less suspicious of PMC, it just seemed like he was pushing really hard for a vote cause he and Thez were like the only ones posting.

[Hologram]

The last vote count was incorrect. Here's the latest revised vote count:

Thezzaruz (2) – pmchugh, sam_levi_11
pmchugh (1) – Thezzaruz
spiesr (3) – captainwalrus, Mr. Squirrel

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

[pmchugh]

The last vote count was incorrect. Here's the latest revised vote count:

Thezzaruz (2) – pmchugh, sam_levi_11
pmchugh (1) – Thezzaruz
spiesr (3) – captainwalrus, Mr. Squirrel

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Hmm it seems we have a double voter or a secret voter.

About the claim, I figured if he would claim, then we wouldn't have 3 people wasting their vote on someone innocent like thez, but after I thought it out that makes no scence, I realize that now.

About the busdriver, my action was redirected, so I was wondering who did it, mafia or town.

Also, After re-reading, I am less suspicious of PMC, it just seemed like he was pushing really hard for a vote cause he and Thez were like the only ones posting.

This sounds like your running scared, you just completely backtracked. Tell us no more about your role till later although it is suspicious that you know your role was redirected, this almost certainly means you visited someone that died. It would be so easy to vote you now, but I think these may be honest mistakes.

unvote until things become clearer.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Tell us no more about your role till later although it is suspicious that you know your role was redirected, this almost certainly means you visited someone that died.

Well, I think we can rule out cop or roleblocker, or else he would have no idea that his action was redirected. This means he is either scum (who's kill was redirected at stroke), a doc (who originally tried to protect stroke), or a vig (who tried to kill someone besides stroke). I would definitely like to hear more about what he did last night.

CW, if it is possible without revealing your role, can you please explain to us how you know your action was redirected? Because of my own role, I have strong suspicions right now that you are lying. So please, explain yourself.

unvote in preparation of your reply.

[spiesr]

Well, I think we can rule out cop or roleblocker, or else he would have no idea that his action was redirected.

Well, in theory he could be a cop who investigated strokem and got a town results and is assuming (possibly wrongly) that the result is due to him being redirected to a townie.

The last vote count was incorrect. Here's the latest revised vote count:
Thezzaruz (2) – pmchugh, sam_levi_11
pmchugh (1) – Thezzaruz
spiesr (3) – captainwalrus, Mr. Squirrel
With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Hmm it seems we have a double voter or a secret voter.

It appears that a politician has stolen my vote and used it against me, as I am fairly sure I had attempted to cast a vote today...

[captainwalrus]

Well, I am a politician, as spiser seems to have devised, and I tried to steal PMC's vote. I then received a response from Hologram saying that I had successfully stolen spiser's vote, but he didn't say why I got his instead of PMC, so I was asking about busdrivers.

[spiesr]

Well, since you have claimed and everything, why don't you tell us why you wanted to steal pmc's vote. I imagine he would like to know. Did you think he was a terrorist, or did you just not trust him with voting rights?

[pmchugh]

Well, I am a politician, as spiser seems to have devised, and I tried to steal PMC's vote. I then received a response from Hologram saying that I had successfully stolen spiser's vote, but he didn't say why I got his instead of PMC, so I was asking about busdrivers.

Has to be a busdriver (or nexus maybe). Intresting they chose to swap us...

And yes why on earth did you steal my vote? All evidence you have gave against me was from today (day 2).

[captainwalrus]

Dunno, I am really random with my actions on night one, and I have taken heat for it before when I got lucky and protected the right person since no one believed me. I guess PMC just posts a lot and his name was fresh in my mind.

[pmchugh]

Dunno, I am really random with my actions on night one, and I have taken heat for it before when I got lucky and protected the right person since no one believed me. I guess PMC just posts a lot and his name was fresh in my mind.

I hate that curse but seriopusly wtf? I am suspecting you of mafia politician cause that move was scummy. Day 1 i argued with squirrel who turned out to be mafia, from my point of view i would be a better target fora mafia politician than a town one.

[pancakemix]

Dunno, I am really random with my actions on night one, and I have taken heat for it before when I got lucky and protected the right person since no one believed me. I guess PMC just posts a lot and his name was fresh in my mind.

I hate that curse but seriopusly wtf? I am suspecting you of mafia politician cause that move was scummy. Day 1 i argued with squirrel who turned out to be mafia, from my point of view i would be a better target fora mafia politician than a town one.

Wrong game. Regardless, you're absolutely right. You're the last person I'd target if I were a politician.

In the face of overwhelming evidence and an absolutely unnecessary and hard to buy claim, and the fact that nothing ever responded to my posts, I'm going to Vote CW

[pmchugh]

Dunno, I am really random with my actions on night one, and I have taken heat for it before when I got lucky and protected the right person since no one believed me. I guess PMC just posts a lot and his name was fresh in my mind.

I hate that curse but seriopusly wtf? I am suspecting you of mafia politician cause that move was scummy. Day 1 i argued with squirrel who turned out to be mafia, from my point of view i would be a better target fora mafia politician than a town one.

Wrong game. Regardless, you're absolutely right. You're the last person I'd target if I were a politician.

In the face of overwhelming evidence and an absolutely unnecessary and hard to buy claim, and the fact that nothing ever responded to my posts, I'm going to Vote CW

I really should cut down on my number of games

As for cw, im not sure he has a tendancy to make silly mistakes but these seem to big to ignore tbh.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Dunno, I am really random with my actions on night one, and I have taken heat for it before when I got lucky and protected the right person since no one believed me. I guess PMC just posts a lot and his name was fresh in my mind.

I hate that curse but seriopusly wtf? I am suspecting you of mafia politician cause that move was scummy. Day 1 i argued with squirrel who turned out to be mafia, from my point of view i would be a better target fora mafia politician than a town one.

Wrong game. Regardless, you're absolutely right. You're the last person I'd target if I were a politician.

In the face of overwhelming evidence and an absolutely unnecessary and hard to buy claim, and the fact that nothing ever responded to my posts, I'm going to Vote CW

I really should cut down on my number of games

As for cw, im not sure he has a tendancy to make silly mistakes but these seem to big to ignore tbh.

Well, I can confirm part of CW's claim. If you remember on the last page, I said:

CW, if it is possible without revealing your role, can you please explain to us how you know your action was redirected? Because of my own role, I have strong suspicions right now that you are lying. So please, explain yourself.

I am a busdriver. I thought CW's action last night was on Stroke, and that was how he knew he was busdriven. You see, I didn't target stroke at all, so I thought CW was just plain lying and I could catch him as scum.

But, what he describes (targetting pmc and instead hitting spiesr) is exactly what I did last night. I thought spiesr was scum (since his failure to put his unvote in bold was what got falko lynched) so I switched him with who I thought he would target: pmc, thus killing himself. So, CW's story is confirmed somewhat. He could still be a mafia politician, but for some reason I don't think so. That basically means that the mafia need one less person killed from the town in order to win. Seems awfully overpowered to me.

[spiesr]

So, CW's story is confirmed somewhat. He could still be a mafia politician, but for some reason I don't think so. That basically means that the mafia need one less person killed from the town in order to win. Seems awfully overpowered to me.

In Counter Terrorism I the mafia recruited the politician and it did give them a major advantage.

By the way, good job with your bus driving as it appears to have killed the terrorist leader. It looks like strokem went you to recruit pmc last night and you managed to switch him to me; which was incredibly lucky as I was unrecruitable and would kill anyone who tried to recruit me. I am guessing that this is how strokem died. Since their leader is dead I don't see any big reason to keep this a secret anymore.

So it looks like captianwalrus is pretty much cleared for the time being as I strongly doubt the mafia started with a politician.

[spiesr]

S0 is anyone gonna post or something?