Counter-Terrorism Mafia SPIESR'S A BITCH AND TOWN WINS!

[pmchugh]

Looking back its easy to see yesterdays lynch was indeed stupid, i dont know what falko was trying to do, but he did it idiotically. People seemed to pounce on what was a silly mistake by falko, however im just wondering, what made him say those things, he must have had some information given to him because surely he must have somne basis to his claims, as if we lynched the "counter agent"(stoken) and he was town, surely we would just lynch him?

Sorry if this was said but i havent been able to look back much as im on the internet on my mobile and i have little time atm due to being at a festival.

Im pretty sure falko was joking.

There are a lot of people who voted for falko and Thez isn't the only scummy one. Just sayn'

He is the most scummy one out of those that I see, if you think you see someone else that looks scummy please point it out.

[Thezzaruz]

Ok so i finally reread and one thing i take from day 1 is that falko's lynch was jsut plain stupid.

No it wasn't stupid. falkos claim/joke and subsequent post where stupid, the lynch was unfortunate.

It seems people bandwagoned him because of this post:

ok...vote stroken. He is FBI counter agent, and want all of us dead

Counter agent? I don't even know if this means double agent or not and considering falko is speaking a foriegn language then how on earth is this grounds for a vote nevermind a lynch? It's clear what he meant even if he did say it wrong.

No it's anything but clear what he meant. The only part (foreign language or not) that stands out is the "FBI" part and that clearly screams townie. Making a scum claim from it needs to be both logical and clearly reasonable and falkos was neither. While that may be because of language difficulties his response when asked about it was just as lacking of logic and reason and to me looked more like a poor cover up from a inexperienced scum trying to be creative with his accusations.

and he is saying that he wanted to lynch him regardless of the deadline all cause falko got a few words mixed up?

No I said I didn't vote for him because of the deadline, quite a big difference.
Also did you just make the point that lynching someone without a reason (but with a deadline looming) is better than lynching someone with a reason???

don't lynch me because the deadline. that would be lazy.

Oh it's not because of the deadline.

Why were you voting him then thez?]

I know that you're not stupid so why then the stupid question? Seems like a poor try to stack a big pile of nonsense accusations and claiming "there's loads of stuff" when there is in fact none. That gets you a FOS pmc

[Thezzaruz]

vote cena

Change to cena falk oand u will be saved.

Now is the time to claim cena.

You posted this after the deadline had passed but before a scene had been posted so either it was a I don't mind him getting lynched but let's set up a cover in case it's a bad lynch thing or you really tried to save an unconfirmed (and poorly reasoning) townie by desperately lynching the easiest alternative lynch by going after a player that you previously had neither voted for nor displayed any suspicions towards. Neither reason feels kosher tbh, I think this also earns you a FOS pmc.


Yea I know that FOSes are a bit lame. But it's late and I just got back from a weekend at the in-laws so I'll refrain from throwing a vote right now, however I will re-read and unless something big come up the FOSes will be converted into a vote by tomorrow evening. Night all...

[Thezzaruz]

People seemed to pounce on what was a silly mistake by falko, however im just wondering, what made him say those things, he must have had some information given to him because surely he must have somne basis to his claims, as if we lynched the "counter agent"(stoken) and he was town, surely we would just lynch him?

Well that was my question too, unfortunately falko never even tried to come back with anything other than "it was a joke". To me the poor reasoning behind his claim and vote was bad but the fact that he didn't recognize the poor reasoning was just as damning. Also the fact that he took 10 days to respond (and only showed up with less than a day left to the deadline) didn't help his case tbh.

Im pretty sure falko was joking.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing ain't it?

[pmchugh]

It seems people bandwagoned him because of this post:

ok...vote stroken. He is FBI counter agent, and want all of us dead

Counter agent? I don't even know if this means double agent or not and considering falko is speaking a foriegn language then how on earth is this grounds for a vote nevermind a lynch? It's clear what he meant even if he did say it wrong.

No it's anything but clear what he meant. The only part (foreign language or not) that stands out is the "FBI" part and that clearly screams townie.

So you took one word FBI and because it was used in a negative way you thought oh he must be scum!!!!! Even thoguh he said "COUNTER" agent.

Making a scum claim from it needs to be both logical and clearly reasonable and falkos was neither. While that may be because of language difficulties his response when asked about it was just as lacking of logic and reason and to me looked more like a poor cover up from a inexperienced scum trying to be creative with his accusations.

Lack of logic and reason? Yeah because i would expect all joke votes to be 100% logically sound. He didn't explain himself well but he didn't need to as you had nothing against him.

and he is saying that he wanted to lynch him regardless of the deadline all cause falko got a few words mixed up?

No I said I didn't vote for him because of the deadline, quite a big difference.
Also did you just make the point that lynching someone without a reason (but with a deadline looming) is better than lynching someone with a reason???

No but you didn't have a reason, only an excuse.

don't lynch me because the deadline. that would be lazy.

Oh it's not because of the deadline.

Why were you voting him then thez?]

I know that you're not stupid so why then the stupid question? Seems like a poor try to stack a big pile of nonsense accusations and claiming "there's loads of stuff" when there is in fact none. That gets you a FOS pmc

Classic! Take my post out of context (you removed the part where i quoted your reasons) and dismiss everything as nonesense followed up by OMGUS.

My vote stays where it is.

[pmchugh]

vote cena

Change to cena falk oand u will be saved.

Now is the time to claim cena.

You posted this after the deadline had passed but before a scene had been posted so either it was a I don't mind him getting lynched but let's set up a cover in case it's a bad lynch thing or you really tried to save an unconfirmed (and poorly reasoning) townie by desperately lynching the easiest alternative lynch by going after a player that you previously had neither voted for nor displayed any suspicions towards. Neither reason feels kosher tbh, I think this also earns you a FOS pmc.


Yea I know that FOSes are a bit lame. But it's late and I just got back from a weekend at the in-laws so I'll refrain from throwing a vote right now, however I will re-read and unless something big come up the FOSes will be converted into a vote by tomorrow evening. Night all...

More OMGUS you just went through my posts to accuse me now

Falko hada decent claim and no eveidence agaisnt him, I see no better alternative than to try and change the lynch. As for the deadline being passed most mods dont care and take anything up to the latest post as before the deadline.

And what is this poorly reasoned falko accusation!?!?!? There is no reasoning behind a random vote!

Did you honestly believe falko thought stroke was scum and wanted him lynched?

[captainwalrus]

PMC, why are you picking thezz as the one person you decide to go after for a bad lynch. It was a bad lynch, and resulted partly cause of lack of communication and partly cause I skimmed then hammered cause I was getting bored. Thez is no more scummy than you.

[pmchugh]

PMC, why are you picking thezz as the one person you decide to go after for a bad lynch. It was a bad lynch, and resulted partly cause of lack of communication and partly cause I skimmed then hammered cause I was getting bored. Thez is no more scummy than you.

I only voted him for 5 mins, thez actualyl believes there was genuine reason to lynch him, which is nonesense.

[Thezzaruz]

So you took one word FBI and because it was used in a negative way you thought oh he must be scum!!!!! Even thoguh he said "COUNTER" agent.

He said "FBI counter agent". "FBI" would clearly indicate the good guys. "counter" as it is used IRL (counter terrorist, counter intelligence and so on) is also used for the good guys. He could possibly have had language difficulties and been meaning "traitor" or something like that but I can't see why I should assume that people don't know what they post, especially as he refused to address the illogical reasoning when he was asked about it (not only from me btw).

Lack of logic and reason? Yeah because i would expect all joke votes to be 100% logically sound. He didn't explain himself well but he didn't need to as you had nothing against him.

There was nothing in his accusation that seemed like a joke and when you make stupid and unreasonable claims/accusations you should expect to get called up on it tbh. And again, his response (or lack of it) when being asked about his accusation was much more damning for him than his initial accusation.

And what is this poorly reasoned falko accusation!?!?!? There is no reasoning behind a random vote!

But he didn't in any way make it out to be a random vote, it was very clearly worded as a straight accusation.

Did you honestly believe falko thought stroke was scum and wanted him lynched?

Best guess would be a slip up via poor choice of words tbh, especially as he avoided all questions about that choice of words.

Classic! Take my post out of context (you removed the part where i quoted your reasons) and dismiss everything as nonesense followed up by OMGUS.

I answered those parts separately. If you fail to see that voting because of his post is very different from voting because of the deadline then that's your problem, not mine. (you voted for cena purely because of the deadline though, should really net you a FOS but I'll skip that for now)

More OMGUS you just went through my posts to accuse me now

So something that very well could have been a slip up should be completely disregarded and finding tells/slip up's/inconsistencies in your posts is somehow poor play now???

My vote stays where it is.

I'm not surprised, think I'll send a very non-OMGUS Vote pmchugh in return.

[Thezzaruz]

I only voted him for 5 mins, thez actualyl believes there was genuine reason to lynch him, which is nonesense.

Nope. I do however think that there was genuine reason to have my vote on him up until his claim, unfortunately the deadline had passed by then.

[Mr. Squirrel]

No it wasn't stupid. falkos claim/joke and subsequent post where stupid, the lynch was unfortunate.

Personally, I think this pretty much sums up what happened yesterday. deadlines almost always bring about unfortunate lynches. All they do is benefit scum.

Personally, I don't see your vendetta against thez, pmc. With the situation that we had yesterday, someone had to be lynched and falko was acting strange. We all can't be expected to sit around at the computer 24 hours a day and watch for a last minute claim. The fact that falko didn't address his issues was what killed him. I don't view it as thez's fault. I am keeping my vote on cena as she still hasn't posted hardly anything.

[pmchugh]

No it wasn't stupid. falkos claim/joke and subsequent post where stupid, the lynch was unfortunate.

Personally, I think this pretty much sums up what happened yesterday. deadlines almost always bring about unfortunate lynches. All they do is benefit scum.

Personally, I don't see your vendetta against thez, pmc. With the situation that we had yesterday, someone had to be lynched and falko was acting strange. We all can't be expected to sit around at the computer 24 hours a day and watch for a last minute claim. The fact that falko didn't address his issues was what killed him. I don't view it as thez's fault. I am keeping my vote on cena as she still hasn't posted hardly anything.

Hit the nail on the head, we had to lynch someone because of the deadline but thez genuinely believed there was good reason to vote falko regardless of the deadline. Yes he didn't defened himself well but in all fairness no one attacked him well.

Thez our entire argument comes down to one point, was what falko said scummy?

Did you honestly believe falko thought stroke was scum and wanted him lynched?

Best guess would be a slip up via poor choice of words tbh, especially as he avoided all questions about that choice of words.

Exactly he didn't mean it in the context you took it and you knew it. His post wasn't scummy at all and your vote was reasoned extremely poorly.

[Thezzaruz]

Exactly he didn't mean it in the context you took it and you knew it. His post wasn't scummy at all

And here we disagree. His post was potentially scummy, or as I said before:

Best guess would be a slip up via poor choice of words tbh, especially as he avoided all questions about that choice of words.

and your vote was reasoned extremely poorly.

Not that I agree but anyway, my vote was infinitely better reasoned than falko's accusation and defence.

[spiesr]

Okay, so I am back now. I have read the pmc vs thezzz argument and I am wondering, is there anyone who we should be looking at but are forgetting because of this argument?

For example, did cena ever respond to the accusations that Mr.Squirrel sent to him?

As for the pmc vs thezzz one, if we assume the argument to be a two party struggle where each is trying to prove the other to be scum, then I currently side somewhat with pmc, but I don't find either side to have enough of an advantage to merit my vote...

[pmchugh]

Okay, so I am back now. I have read the pmc vs thezzz argument and I am wondering, is there anyone who we should be looking at but are forgetting because of this argument?

For example, did cena ever respond to the accusations that Mr.Squirrel sent to him?

As for the pmc vs thezzz one, if we assume the argument to be a two party struggle where each is trying to prove the other to be scum, then I currently side somewhat with pmc, but I don't find either side to have enough of an advantage to merit my vote...

I agree others need to speak up, at least thez is argunig back. While I totally disagree with him, he is defending himself at least instead of just hiding in the shadows.

[spiesr]

I don't think we have heard much from sam_levi and is pancakemix deadbeating on us?
I am interesting in hearing everyone's take on pmc vs thezzz and who they think is winning...

[captainwalrus]

I don't think we have heard much from sam_levi and is pancakemix deadbeating on us?
I am interesting in hearing everyone's take on pmc vs thezzz and who they think is winning...

I think the mafia is winning. I don't think that wither of them are actually scum, and they are just distracting themselves from trying to figure out who is scum.
Thez is not that scummy.

[captainwalrus]

Also, does the mafia ever get a busdriver?

[Mr. Squirrel]

Also, does the mafia ever get a busdriver?

occasionally. In pmc's first newbie game, sully was a mafia busdriver.

[pmchugh]

Also, does the mafia ever get a busdriver?

Yes it can happen, although it is an over powered role. Its bad news for us if mafia do have one.

[spiesr]

Also, does the mafia ever get a busdriver?

Is there anything in particular that you suspect as (mafia) bus driver to have done, or is this just a general inquiry?

[pancakemix]

I don't think we have heard much from sam_levi and is pancakemix deadbeating on us?
I am interesting in hearing everyone's take on pmc vs thezzz and who they think is winning...

I'm here, and I'm keeping up. I'm just quiet. I'm always quiet.

I think the mafia is winning. I don't think that either of them are actually scum, and they are just distracting themselves from trying to figure out who is scum.
Thez is not that scummy.

So a discussion actually gets going and you call it distracting ourselves? Somehow, I think you don't want discussion.

Also, does the mafia ever get a busdriver?

I'm not sure what to make of this. It's kind of random, and it's definitely not game-related. Unless, of course, you were trying to throw suspicion from yourself.

[spiesr]

So are you saying we should lynch the walrus then?

[captainwalrus]

I don't think we have heard much from sam_levi and is pancakemix deadbeating on us?
I am interesting in hearing everyone's take on pmc vs thezzz and who they think is winning...

I'm here, and I'm keeping up. I'm just quiet. I'm always quiet.

I think the mafia is winning. I don't think that either of them are actually scum, and they are just distracting themselves from trying to figure out who is scum.
Thez is not that scummy.

So a discussion actually gets going and you call it distracting ourselves? Somehow, I think you don't want discussion.

Also, does the mafia ever get a busdriver?

I'm not sure what to make of this. It's kind of random, and it's definitely not game-related. Unless, of course, you were trying to throw suspicion from yourself.

I just think that PMC was the only person who really thought thez was scummy and to me his argument seemed very weak, so I suggested that perhaps we should look at other things besides who PMC thinks is scummy.

And the busdriver thing I was just curious, and it didn't warrant like 4 replies.

[spiesr]

Is there anyone who find to be particularly suspicious?