CLAN TRACK MEET CHALLENGE

[Woodruff]

Because clan members will be seriously interested in aiding one another (due to the team scoring method), I will make every effort to ensure (as much as I can) that clanmates will not be in the same groupings together until the Finals of their events (at which point it is obviously impossible to avoid). Yes, I am stating that clanmates can aid one another, AS LONG AS IT’S IN THE GAME CHAT. Of course, that also means they’ll probably get ganged up on if they do, so it’s a double-edged sword.

i have problems with this..... and most other clans will too.. we want fair fights to be taken seriously. imperial dragoons will not be involved in any clan tournament that involves alliances, the format is bad....

Just to make sure you're not misunderstanding what I'm referring to, allow me to explain. I'm speaking ONLY of a truce in-game (for instance, an agreement to move against the strongest player on the board at that moment or saying "red, you move south, and I'll move north and we can just ignore one another"), just as can happen in any game on ConquerClub. I'm definitely NOT speaking of agreements that span over more than one game nor of agreements between clans.

Now, if you already understood that, I'm certainly open to discussing it. After all, I want to run this FOR the clans, so I'd want to run it the way the clans (as a group) want me to run it. However, I have discovered in a tournament I'm currently running now that not allowing truces or in-game agreements at all is quite honestly not going to work. The reason it won't work is because people actually forget that they're in a tournament game that doesn't allow the truces, if that makes sense. I'm about to have to eliminate almost a seventh of my quite-large tournament participants simply because it's clear they forgot about that rule. So I think that any sort of a tournament making that statement is doomed to failure. If that makes sense.

At any rate, please let me know if you misunderstood or not, and if you didn't then...if you have any thoughts on how we can get around the problem of unintentionally breaking that rule if we were to set it up that way.

And thanks for the feedback. I do appreciate it, because at least I know someone's looking at it. <grin>

[hwhrhett]

alliances in tournaments are poor taste, and suggesting them is in poor taste as far as im concerned... this is directly from the tournament handbook:

DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY ALLIANCES. Secret alliances are against Conquer Club rules anyway, but even public alliances are greatly frowned upon in tournament games. Most tournaments are set up to lead to one winner, and most players will get upset if their methodical lead suddenly becomes double-teamed.

i think your alienating most clans by including this, and if this is a part of this tournament where an uneven amount of members from 1 clan are in the same game, then it is just asking for trouble. make it fair and you may have better luck, and condense the 2 pages of posts into something more legible. its very confusing alot of information....

[Woodruff]

alliances in tournaments are poor taste, and suggesting them is in poor taste as far as im concerned... this is directly from the tournament handbook:

DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY ALLIANCES. Secret alliances are against Conquer Club rules anyway, but even public alliances are greatly frowned upon in tournament games. Most tournaments are set up to lead to one winner, and most players will get upset if their methodical lead suddenly becomes double-teamed.

i think your alienating most clans by including this, and if this is a part of this tournament where an uneven amount of members from 1 clan are in the same game, then it is just asking for trouble.

I realize that's what the tournament handbook states. And yet, my own experience in running a tournament tells me that forbidding it is...unworkable, at best. I'm certainly willing to give it a go with truces being forbidden if that's what most want...just don't be surprised or complain if large numbers of players are disqualified for it.

There shouldn't be an uneven number from 1 clan unless more than 1 member from a clan makes it to the Finals of an event. That being the case, one would also expect the other participants in that event to use their combined powers of persuasion (in force) to ensure that the clanmates wouldn't do so.

make it fair and you may have better luck, and condense the 2 pages of posts into something more legible. its very confusing alot of information....

Heh...I had it all in one post and had it suggested to me (and it made sense to me, once I thought about it) that having a post for each event would make things more clear, because of that large amount of information. <chuckle> And you're right, it certainly is a lot of information...but I believe in being thorough.

I think it will be good to have one post per event once the events start anyway, so that anyone can easily see how that particular event is progressing (without having to wade through other events' information).

At any rate, I do appreciate your thoughts. I'd like to hear from some of the other folks regarding your point up at the top there. As I said, I want to run this FOR the clans, so I'm certainly willing to revise the plan to get and keep people interested. I am definitely not locked into just doing it "my way"...if I were, I'd do it as a regular tournament (though it may come to that anyway, if the clans don't appear interested).

[hwhrhett]

I realize that's what the tournament handbook states. And yet, my own experience in running a tournament tells me that forbidding it is...unworkable, at best. I'm certainly willing to give it a go with truces being forbidden if that's what most want...just don't be surprised or complain if large numbers of players are disqualified for it.

you really think that most players are interested in creating alliances in tournament games? the only people that create alliances in general are usually the lesser skilled... you wont see many clan folks making alliances in general... and you wont see many of them participating in a tournament that allows them, or doesnt even frown upon them. take it back to the minors woodruff....

[Woodruff]

I realize that's what the tournament handbook states. And yet, my own experience in running a tournament tells me that forbidding it is...unworkable, at best. I'm certainly willing to give it a go with truces being forbidden if that's what most want...just don't be surprised or complain if large numbers of players are disqualified for it.

you really think that most players are interested in creating alliances in tournament games? the only people that create alliances in general are usually the lesser skilled... you wont see many clan folks making alliances in general... and you wont see many of them participating in a tournament that allows them, or doesnt even frown upon them. take it back to the minors woodruff....

So is there a reason you're being an insulting ass to me? I've stated quite clearly that I want to set up the tournament however the clans would like it done, so nothing of mine is set in stone. I'm trying to do something FOR THE CLANS HERE (even though I'm in no way a clan member), and you want to just treat me like crap for no apparent reason? I don't believe my responses deserve this last remark from you, so if that is all you have to add further, please avoid doing so. Thanks.

[hwhrhett]

So is there a reason you're being an insulting ass to me? I've stated quite clearly that I want to set up the tournament however the clans would like it done, so nothing of mine is set in stone. I'm trying to do something FOR THE CLANS HERE (even though I'm in no way a clan member), and you want to just treat me like crap for no apparent reason? I don't believe my responses deserve this last remark from you, so if that is all you have to add further, please avoid doing so. Thanks.

i am just explaining to you why you dont have that many clans jumping in here to sign up... and the comment was not actually aimed at you, just your tournament in its current incarnation, anything that leans an advantage to one team over another even in a remote possibility, is not likely to take off, of course i could be wrong. ill just shut up for now, and see what everyone else thinks...

[DAAAAAAANG]

There are 2 problems I see with this idea:

1. Most clans want to play team games, not 1 vs 1's, standard or terminator.

2. Not having tourney privs to create games will make this next to impossible to keep organized and on track.

Just my 2 cents.

FB

[Woodruff]

There are 2 problems I see with this idea:

1. Most clans want to play team games, not 1 vs 1's, standard or terminator.

True enough. I was aware of that, but I hoped that the "unusual format of the competition" might peak folks' interest in it. One of those "this is different enough to give it a shot" sort of things. <grin>

2. Not having tourney privs to create games will make this next to impossible to keep organized and on track.

I'm a bit of an organization junkie, so this actually isn't a problem. You're right that the lack of tourney privileges does make it more work on my part (I certainly wouldn't mind having them), but it's not that difficult to keep track of through Excel.

[jpcloet]

We've got about 1 month before the Clan league starts, I always thought that would be the bigger reason this would have problems getting going. As you can see, Natewolfman is also trying something like this. Let's leave this open for a little while longer.