Lord of the Rings mafia [Town wins]

[Suspect101]

wow in light of this, unvote, theres a lot to go through there.So you say you do not know who this person is. How do you get this information then, is it passed on by the moderator?

Yeah, that did not come out right, let me make it clearer: Only the moderator has given me any information in this game.

[AceArtemis]

Wow, long post there pmc. You have so many accusations in there that I could never respond to all of them. However, I am town, so if you want me to claim, just let me know.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Wow, long post there pmc. You have so many accusations in there that I could never respond to all of them. However, I am town, so if you want me to claim, just let me know.

Wow. PMC goes out of his way to make a huge post condemning you and you reply with a three sentence answer. It seems like pmc wasted his time if you are just gonna claim after only two votes.

[AceArtemis]

Pmc's case against me is that I played too carefully and went along with whatever everyone else was doing, without coming up with accusations of my own.

I wasn't intentionally doing any of these things, but I must admit that I did go along with a lot of the things everyone else was doing, and didn't have a lot of accusations of my own because I didn't think anyone was very scummy so far on Day 2. I won't bother trying to explain each and every example pmc presented, because it doesn't matter how many examples pmc has of scummy play, a townie is a townie. I don't intend to claim after only two votes, but if you are going to bandwagon me, I might as well save you the trouble and claim. So, once again, just let me know if you want me to claim.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

Really, you might as well not waste the time and drop them now before this things stalls.

I agree.

I feel the need to release information as this day is getting shorter and will hopefully explain things a little better. This is not my role and I do not know what to call the role other than whisperer. I have received information from this person (who I do not know, all I know is that this person is in this game, they have investigation powers, and they have the ability to tell someone else) in the night that PMC and karl are not part of the mafia. This is the reason in Day 2, even when PMC has pressered me and looked really scummy this game that I have not put my vote on him, even though I have been really tempted. This is also the reason that I have defended Karl. I have treid to elude to this in my posts, but I seem to have failed. I did not want this role to become known and tried to show that I knew what to do with the information in my vote/post but I failed there as well. I do not want to lynch a known non-maifa member. I do not know if they are town, all I know is that they are not mafia.



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Did the moderator say this was accurate, or did he just pass on the info? I've never heard of this kind of role before and I'm kind of cautious to trust the info. Has any vets ever played a game with a role like this? I'm not trying to place any immediate blame on Karel or PMC but how can we know this information is accurate? For all we know, karel or pmc could have been the ones to send this info and it is only to throw us off their tracks.

I wouldn't take the info too seriously unless the moderator specifically said that it was true. however, I also don't believe (right now) that pmc or karel is mafia. I guess I'm just gonna keep playing as if the info never came up.

[pmchugh]

Pmc's case against me is that I played too carefully and went along with whatever everyone else was doing, without coming up with accusations of my own.

I wasn't intentionally doing any of these things, but I must admit that I did go along with a lot of the things everyone else was doing, and didn't have a lot of accusations of my own because I didn't think anyone was very scummy so far on Day 2. I won't bother trying to explain each and every example pmc presented, because it doesn't matter how many examples pmc has of scummy play, a townie is a townie. I don't intend to claim after only two votes, but if you are going to bandwagon me, I might as well save you the trouble and claim. So, once again, just let me know if you want me to claim.

Well I would've expected a better fight back, except "I will claim". I doubt you'd have the balls to do that if you were scum, but I would hate to let you off if you were. IF you are town then I hate this game, it's so dam hard to get a read on people.

I will leave it to others to decide if they think the case is good enough.

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

Really, you might as well not waste the time and drop them now before this things stalls.

I agree.

I feel the need to release information as this day is getting shorter and will hopefully explain things a little better. This is not my role and I do not know what to call the role other than whisperer. I have received information from this person (who I do not know, all I know is that this person is in this game, they have investigation powers, and they have the ability to tell someone else) in the night that PMC and karl are not part of the mafia. This is the reason in Day 2, even when PMC has pressered me and looked really scummy this game that I have not put my vote on him, even though I have been really tempted. This is also the reason that I have defended Karl. I have treid to elude to this in my posts, but I seem to have failed. I did not want this role to become known and tried to show that I knew what to do with the information in my vote/post but I failed there as well. I do not want to lynch a known non-maifa member. I do not know if they are town, all I know is that they are not mafia.



******** PMC Fast Posted Me**********

Did the moderator say this was accurate, or did he just pass on the info? I've never heard of this kind of role before and I'm kind of cautious to trust the info. Has any vets ever played a game with a role like this? I'm not trying to place any immediate blame on Karel or PMC but how can we know this information is accurate? For all we know, karel or pmc could have been the ones to send this info and it is only to throw us off their tracks.

I wouldn't take the info too seriously unless the moderator specifically said that it was true. however, I also don't believe (right now) that pmc or karel is mafia. I guess I'm just gonna keep playing as if the info never came up.

I have seen this in the past, in fact fairly recently can't remember what game it was. I seriously doubt that suspect is lying and it seems unlikely that this information would be false for that would be a first I've ever seen. I suppose I am not the most believable person since I am one of the names but I am sure iliad will say the same.

[Iliad]

Pmc's case against me is that I played too carefully and went along with whatever everyone else was doing, without coming up with accusations of my own.

I wasn't intentionally doing any of these things, but I must admit that I did go along with a lot of the things everyone else was doing, and didn't have a lot of accusations of my own because I didn't think anyone was very scummy so far on Day 2. I won't bother trying to explain each and every example pmc presented, because it doesn't matter how many examples pmc has of scummy play, a townie is a townie. I don't intend to claim after only two votes, but if you are going to bandwagon me, I might as well save you the trouble and claim. So, once again, just let me know if you want me to claim.

Well I would've expected a better fight back, except "I will claim". I doubt you'd have the balls to do that if you were scum, but I would hate to let you off if you were. IF you are town then I hate this game, it's so dam hard to get a read on people.

I will leave it to others to decide if they think the case is good enough.

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

Really, you might as well not waste the time and drop them now before this things stalls.

I agree.

I feel the need to release information as this day is getting shorter and will hopefully explain things a little better. This is not my role and I do not know what to call the role other than whisperer. I have received information from this person (who I do not know, all I know is that this person is in this game, they have investigation powers, and they have the ability to tell someone else) in the night that PMC and karl are not part of the mafia. This is the reason in Day 2, even when PMC has pressered me and looked really scummy this game that I have not put my vote on him, even though I have been really tempted. This is also the reason that I have defended Karl. I have treid to elude to this in my posts, but I seem to have failed. I did not want this role to become known and tried to show that I knew what to do with the information in my vote/post but I failed there as well. I do not want to lynch a known non-maifa member. I do not know if they are town, all I know is that they are not mafia.



******** PMC Fast Posted Me**********

Did the moderator say this was accurate, or did he just pass on the info? I've never heard of this kind of role before and I'm kind of cautious to trust the info. Has any vets ever played a game with a role like this? I'm not trying to place any immediate blame on Karel or PMC but how can we know this information is accurate? For all we know, karel or pmc could have been the ones to send this info and it is only to throw us off their tracks.

I wouldn't take the info too seriously unless the moderator specifically said that it was true. however, I also don't believe (right now) that pmc or karel is mafia. I guess I'm just gonna keep playing as if the info never came up.

I have seen this in the past, in fact fairly recently can't remember what game it was. I seriously doubt that suspect is lying and it seems unlikely that this information would be false for that would be a first I've ever seen. I suppose I am not the most believable person since I am one of the names but I am sure iliad will say the same.

unvote for now.

Cops I've definitely seen. But whisperers? Not really. I'm not particularly trusting this source of information. If anything it could be the ring sowing discord or something.

A vote count would be nice. If I remember correctly day finishes in 3 days or so.

[pmchugh]

Pmc's case against me is that I played too carefully and went along with whatever everyone else was doing, without coming up with accusations of my own.

I wasn't intentionally doing any of these things, but I must admit that I did go along with a lot of the things everyone else was doing, and didn't have a lot of accusations of my own because I didn't think anyone was very scummy so far on Day 2. I won't bother trying to explain each and every example pmc presented, because it doesn't matter how many examples pmc has of scummy play, a townie is a townie. I don't intend to claim after only two votes, but if you are going to bandwagon me, I might as well save you the trouble and claim. So, once again, just let me know if you want me to claim.

Well I would've expected a better fight back, except "I will claim". I doubt you'd have the balls to do that if you were scum, but I would hate to let you off if you were. IF you are town then I hate this game, it's so dam hard to get a read on people.

I will leave it to others to decide if they think the case is good enough.

[uote="pmchugh"]I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.[/uote]Really, you might as well not waste the time and drop them now before this things stalls.

I agree.

I feel the need to release information as this day is getting shorter and will hopefully explain things a little better. This is not my role and I do not know what to call the role other than whisperer. I have received information from this person (who I do not know, all I know is that this person is in this game, they have investigation powers, and they have the ability to tell someone else) in the night that PMC and karl are not part of the mafia. This is the reason in Day 2, even when PMC has pressered me and looked really scummy this game that I have not put my vote on him, even though I have been really tempted. This is also the reason that I have defended Karl. I have treid to elude to this in my posts, but I seem to have failed. I did not want this role to become known and tried to show that I knew what to do with the information in my vote/post but I failed there as well. I do not want to lynch a known non-maifa member. I do not know if they are town, all I know is that they are not mafia.



******** PMC Fast Posted Me**********

Did the moderator say this was accurate, or did he just pass on the info? I've never heard of this kind of role before and I'm kind of cautious to trust the info. Has any vets ever played a game with a role like this? I'm not trying to place any immediate blame on Karel or PMC but how can we know this information is accurate? For all we know, karel or pmc could have been the ones to send this info and it is only to throw us off their tracks.

I wouldn't take the info too seriously unless the moderator specifically said that it was true. however, I also don't believe (right now) that pmc or karel is mafia. I guess I'm just gonna keep playing as if the info never came up.

I have seen this in the past, in fact fairly recently can't remember what game it was. I seriously doubt that suspect is lying and it seems unlikely that this information would be false for that would be a first I've ever seen. I suppose I am not the most believable person since I am one of the names but I am sure iliad will say the same.

unvote for now.

Cops I've definitely seen. But whisperers? Not really. I'm not particularly trusting this source of information. If anything it could be the ring sowing discord or something.

A vote count would be nice. If I remember correctly day finishes in 3 days or so.

Hmm that was a little test, I picked you illy because not only are you experienced but I also find you a little scummy. A few things you have said have been off, and it being hard to read people would be certainly explained if you were scum, I'm sure you know how to avoid suspicion.

You must have played at least twice (probably more) games than me, so I find it strange that I have heard of this where as you have "not really". fos for now

What does everyone think about ace's premature claiming offer?

[Iliad]

You're fossing me because I haven't heard of a whisperer role? Besides the whisper function on epic mafia I cannot remember seeing the like of such roles. The closest is maybe a mason cop.

I'm sorry but I haven't seen this and I'm still suspicious of it.

[Stroop]

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Vote count

Mr. Squirrel - 2 (Suspect101, karelpietertje)
karelpietertje - 1 (william18)
Thezzaruz - 1 (Clive)
Suspect101 - 1 (Simon Viavant)
AceArtemis - 2 (pmchugh, spiesr)

Not voting: Mr. Squirrel, Thezzaruz, Falkomagno, AceArtemis, sam_levi_11, Iliad

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day 2 will end approximately 56 hours from now
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[pmchugh]

You're fossing me because I haven't heard of a whisperer role? Besides the whisper function on epic mafia I cannot remember seeing the like of such roles. The closest is maybe a mason cop.

I'm sorry but I haven't seen this and I'm still suspicious of it.

I am fossing you (amongst other reasons) for claiming not to have heard of a whisperrer role, which I find not only unlikely but conviniant for you considering you have suspected me throughout and karel today.

[pmchugh]

OK maybe this is a newer thing cause the last game I seen this in was A Game of Thrones (modded by nate), except that it was a tracker not a cop. I recieved info that someone had taken no action. Unfortunately the game never finished so I don't know whether it was reliable info or not.

[Iliad]

You're fossing me because I haven't heard of a whisperer role? Besides the whisper function on epic mafia I cannot remember seeing the like of such roles. The closest is maybe a mason cop.

I'm sorry but I haven't seen this and I'm still suspicious of it.

I am fossing you (amongst other reasons) for claiming not to have heard of a whisperer role, which I find not only unlikely but conviniant for you considering you have suspected me throughout and karel today.

You find it likely. I don't.

And yet again you find everyone who finds you suspicious, suspicious. Man that was a weird sentence. I'm still keeping my eye on you and karel, and this whisperer role seems off to me. Can't be traced and can't be countered.Easily faked.

yeah guys. I heard from someone that these two people who are under scrutiny are not scum. Unvote peoplez.

I believe it fro now, but it's not really evidence until the whisperer cop does step up.

[Suspect101]

unvote mr.squirrel

I do not really no what to do.

[pmchugh]

unvote mr.squirrel

I do not really no what to do.

Neither, I tried my best and came up with very little. The thing is someone has to be lynched today (in about 40 hours).

I don't know who but I have an idea although I am not going to do it unless you lot agree. I think we should all post our top 3 suspects in order. It would provide some intresting informatino as well as we could discuss common ames as such and come to a desision athough it would need to be done quickly with a lot of active contributers.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Right now, I'm finding William18, Sam_levi, and falko the most suspicious. The reason I say so is because no one has really attacked them and they haven't really put forth much attention towards this thread. Since there has been no discussions about them or including them, I have no idea what their stance is on anything. If they are town, they should have no fear of sticking their neck out to attack who they think is suspicious. Even if they look scummy doing it, they could just claim and get off free like clive.

[AceArtemis]

pmc, why do you have to have the same avatar as Suspect? It is very confusing when I read through the thread and two people have the same avatar.

Right now, I'm finding William18, Sam_levi, and falko the most suspicious. The reason I say so is because no one has really attacked them and they haven't really put forth much attention towards this thread. Since there has been no discussions about them or including them, I have no idea what their stance is on anything. If they are town, they should have no fear of sticking their neck out to attack who they think is suspicious. Even if they look scummy doing it, they could just claim and get off free like clive.

I completely agree. The ones who aren't saying much are likely to be scum because scum commonly lurk and don't contribute much to the game in order to avoid suspicion. Simon Viavant hasn't said a whole lot, but it could just be due to extreme business, because in all the posts he's made today, he apologizes for being busy. You are also missing Thezzaruz from that list. I don't find Thezz scummy for actions he made yesterday, but after reading back through the game, I find the lack of contribution to the game suspicious. Thezz has posted from time to time, but his posts were usually short in legnth with very little content to add to the discussion. Vote: Thezzaruz

About the "whisperer" role, if the whisperer is a townie, we have a source of valuable information, but if the whisperer turns out to be scum, we are left with a whole bunch of WIFOM. However, I see no reason to doubt the whisperer's information right now.

KP still hasn't answered an important question I posed a few pages back.

how the hell would the mafia know that MM was Gandalf?

I see no reason the scum would be given information like this. I have not yet been in any game where the mafia was given information about who is a specific protown character. The only reason I can think of where KP would suggest something like this, is if KP was scum and knew that the mafia recieved such information. However, the whisperer role suggests that KP is not scum, so I will not place my vote on KP at this time. KP, please answer my question quoted above, because it has implications on the game.

If it turns out to be true that the mafia knew that MM was Gandalf and specifically targeted him Day 1, that would incriminate spiesr, because his vote was on MM pretty much the entire Day 1, and he left the vote on MM even after the big argument between pmc and MM.

[Stroop]

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Vote count

Mr. Squirrel - 1 (karelpietertje)
karelpietertje - 1 (william18)
Thezzaruz - 2 (Clive, AceArtemis)
Suspect101 - 1 (Simon Viavant)
AceArtemis - 2 (pmchugh, spiesr)

Not voting: Mr. Squirrel, Thezzaruz, Falkomagno, sam_levi_11, Iliad, Suspect101

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day 2 will end approximately 30 hours from now

Current lynch is AceArtemis.
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[sam_levi_11]

Right now, I'm finding William18, Sam_levi, and falko the most suspicious. The reason I say so is because no one has really attacked them and they haven't really put forth much attention towards this thread. Since there has been no discussions about them or including them, I have no idea what their stance is on anything. If they are town, they should have no fear of sticking their neck out to attack who they think is suspicious. Even if they look scummy doing it, they could just claim and get off free like clive.

I already said i found karel highly suspicious and put forward my case for voting him. Also suspect is quite suspicious simply because i too have never heard of the role, and iv been in alot of mafia games. There is the friendly neighbour role which is thrid party, but thats the only role that sounds similar.

[Thezzaruz]

I don't find Thezz scummy for actions he made yesterday, but after reading back through the game, I find the lack of contribution to the game suspicious. Thezz has posted from time to time, but his posts were usually short in legnth with very little content to add to the discussion.

GF, summer house and school work + the fact that I have been going rounds v pmc in all my last games, so yes I have been a bit less active than usual.

how the hell would the mafia know that MM was Gandalf?

I see no reason the scum would be given information like this. I have not yet been in any game where the mafia was given information about who is a specific protown character.

I agree, scum doesn't get such info from the start (rare that anyone does tbh). They could have a cop but that wouldn't net any info until night (when MM was already dead).

Has any vets ever played a game with a role like this?

I have seen investegative roles and I have seen sending message roles (rarely). Don't think I've ever seen it combined. The mason cop thing someone mentioned doesn't sound right either but it would answer one question, how do you get 2 investigtions and 1 message sent in 1 night? Waay to many actions tbh.
All in all, sounds quite strange.

[william18]

I don't really believe that a cop targeted two people last night, then "whispered" the answers to Suspect. That would be sorta overkill,and no person in LOTR would fit the role. This role seems over powered and unrealistic, plus this smells like a mafia covering his scum mates. I'm not believing this.

As for the AA case, his fencing and the the fact that he uses neutral behavior when making a case against someone make him look like a prime person to pressure.

Vote AA

[Mr. Squirrel]

The mason cop thing someone mentioned doesn't sound right either but it would answer one question, how do you get 2 investigtions and 1 message sent in 1 night? Waay to many actions tbh.
All in all, sounds quite strange.

I agree, but I can't see pmc, karel or suspect being mafia. So far this game, they have all been very outspoken and willing to look a little scummy to chase a lead. I don't think that they would do this if they were actually scum. I think this whisperer is a scum member who is just trying to cause confusion among us. So, I stand by my original statement that I will just continue to play as if the info never came up.

With only 24 hours or so left, we need to make a decision quickly. I vote falkomagno. Looking back, he has been way too cautious and hasn't done much to help. Even in comparison to some of the other quiet members.

[AceArtemis]

Since there are only 24 hours until the deadline, and I don't want to suffer the same fate as MM, I will claim now.

I am Merry, a vanilla townie. My role is definitely in the game, as evidenced by the quote below. You should not lynch me if nobody counter-claims.

Today Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli and Boromir begin their long, dangerous journey into the heart of enemy territory, to put an end to the threat that is Sauron.[/i]

Day 1 starts now!

Day 1 will end 360 hours from now

[Mr. Squirrel]

Since there are only 24 hours until the deadline, and I don't want to suffer the same fate as MM, I will claim now.

I am Merry, a vanilla townie. My role is definitely in the game, as evidenced by the quote below. You should not lynch me if nobody counter-claims.

Today Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli and Boromir begin their long, dangerous journey into the heart of enemy territory, to put an end to the threat that is Sauron.[/i]

Day 1 starts now!

Day 1 will end 360 hours from now

I don't think that was necessary but its good to know. I think before the day is up someone else is gonna surpass you.

[Clive]

So you all accept i'm town, yet you don't listen to me?

I still think Thezz is scum and would like him lynched today.

I think William is scum too.

Given William's recent vote on AA, this supports my beliefs of them both being scum.

We have about half a day left, I would like some more Thezz votes. I don't understand why people continuously defend him, he has done nothing deserving of a town read; all he has done all game is bandwagon on the largest wagons (now all shown to have been town), with little or no reasoning. He has accused people of "not defending themselves properly", which is just complete bullshit. Neither me nor Karel had anything further to justify.