Lord of the Rings mafia [Town wins]

[Suspect101]

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.

I have just been trying to find something worthwhile to go with. So far I haven't had much luck...

On Day 1? Why?
Over 90% of the time, you won't. The worthwhile deductions will come from lynches and the events of nights.

So your theory is that we should move straight into the night? If you can't find something worthwhile, then you can't lynch, which means day 1 is bogus and we will learn nothing from it.

[Minister Masket]

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.

I have just been trying to find something worthwhile to go with. So far I haven't had much luck...

On Day 1? Why?
Over 90% of the time, you won't. The worthwhile deductions will come from lynches and the events of nights.

So your theory is that we should move straight into the night? If you can't find something worthwhile, then you can't lynch, which means day 1 is bogus and we will learn nothing from it.

If you can find something, that's great, and it can happen. In one of my games the Mafia Godfather was lynched on Day 1, so I'm all for a lynch. It's just rare.

[Suspect101]

It is day 1. We have nothing to go on. If you are the person acting scummy, even a little bit, you will get the votes and the questions thrown your way.

Not true, just because it's D1 doesn't mean there's nothing to go on. And I really hate your second sentence. D1 is not just about a random lynch. You also seem to imply that only one person can act scummy on D1, which doesn't make any sense.

No, we do have nothing to go on, no sound proof of anything, if you know something we don't please do tell. I never said it was about a random lynch nor did I imply that only one person could be scummy. I said PMC looks the scummiest, meaning there could be more than one. He is the one I want to pressure, because as he even admits, he has been acting scummy. Voting for someone does not mean you want to lynch them, it can also mean that you want to pressure them into proving they are innocent, which I am doing.

I find your attempt to generate a wagon on Pmc scummy, I fail to see how speculating on what we might be up against is a scumtell.

Why do you find my "attempt to bandwagon PMC" scummy? Any reasons or just to try and pass the blame? The reason you do not know why speculating is a scum tell is because you do not read or your are scum and trying make PMC look innocent. If you read all the posts more than just me explained why speculating is scummy.

Vote Clive

He still has not answered my questions, probably because he still is only skimming. Not only this he seems to be lurking.

[Suspect101]

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.

I have just been trying to find something worthwhile to go with. So far I haven't had much luck...

On Day 1? Why?
Over 90% of the time, you won't. The worthwhile deductions will come from lynches and the events of nights.

So your theory is that we should move straight into the night? If you can't find something worthwhile, then you can't lynch, which means day 1 is bogus and we will learn nothing from it.

If you can find something, that's great, and it can happen. In one of my games the Mafia Godfather was lynched on Day 1, so I'm all for a lynch. It's just rare.

I don't get your previous post then. You ask PMC why is he looking for something on day 1. Shouldn't you be saying go look for more stuff then?

[Minister Masket]

If he wants to, that's up to him.

[pmchugh]

If he wants to, that's up to him.

Everyone should be looking for something on day 1, day 2 night 6 whatever you should always be scum hunting. You may be less likely to find scum but sometimes by being wrong you learn who is the right lynch.

I could imagine Gollum being a lyncher.

If I were the lyncher, I would not go after my target right out of the gate with reclious abandon. That would be to obvious. If I was a jester, I would be lynched already. If I was scum, I would not keep going after someone when everyone else had left the bandwagon.

For some reason I didn't think that stroop would be using such roles as jesters and lynchers. I know what these are (thanks to this site here) but the fact that this game has vanilla townies in it makes me think that stroop did not want to use many obscure roles but rather stick to more conventional ones. If he was planning on using these other roles, surely he could have found enough to fill in special roles for each LOTR character and we would have no vanilla townies. Does anyone else see what I mean? Does anyone agree?

Its an ok thoery but I would doubt it, those roles aren't over coplex and just cause you put in vanilla roles doesn't mean he hasn't put in a few advanced/rare roles.

[Mr. Squirrel]

but the fact that this game has vanilla townies in it makes me think that stroop did not want to use many obscure roles but rather stick to more conventional ones. If he was planning on using these other roles, surely he could have found enough to fill in special roles for each LOTR character and we would have no vanilla townies. Does anyone else see what I mean? Does anyone agree?

So, you are essentially saying that you are vanilla and almost claiming to be one of the nine "town members." Am I correct?

No, I am not claiming to be anything. I was merely making an observation. In his description of the game, stroop warned us that some people would be given vanilla townie status so we all know that there are some out there. I was just figuring that if Stroop was going to use some of the rarer roles in mafia, he would not have made some characters vanilla townies. To be honest, I can't think of a single character who wouldn't fit in at least one special role given their backstory.

[AceArtemis]

According to that, unvote Vote Ace Artimis because he is clearly lurking

You are very observant. I haven't had much to say because pmc and suspect have taken over the thread with their pointless argument. Thank god that is over.

So your theory is that we should move straight into the night? If you can't find something worthwhile, then you can't lynch, which means day 1 is bogus and we will learn nothing from it.

In this game, you can't not lynch because the rules of this game make a no lynch impossible. We are not allowed to vote for a no lynch, and if the deadline passes, then someone will be lynched even if a majority has not been reached. The only question is who to lynch.

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.
Vote spiesr

But he hasn't been voting at all for the people he is pointing out. In fact, his vote is on you and it has been that way for a couple days now. So far he has only been pointing out what he believes Suspect's and PMC's roles are. And while he has alluded to it, he has not definitively called either of them scummy. I think your vote just now is based on less sense than his speculation.

Vote: MM for skimming and trying to start a bandwagon without knowing the reasons behind the bandwagon.

[Minister Masket]

Getting a bit defensive of spiesr there Mr Artemis.
Unvote if it matters that much to you.

[karelpietertje]

For some reason I didn't think that stroop would be using such roles as jesters and lynchers. I know what these are (thanks to this site here) but the fact that this game has vanilla townies in it makes me think that stroop did not want to use many obscure roles but rather stick to more conventional ones. If he was planning on using these other roles, surely he could have found enough to fill in special roles for each LOTR character and we would have no vanilla townies. Does anyone else see what I mean? Does anyone agree?

sounds pretty logical!
although he might have given Gollum a special role. in the books Gollum is a stand-alone guy, only going for the ring. he is also crazy
if i were to create this game like this, i would make him a lyncher, that as soon as the lynchee is killed, becomes a jester

[Mr. Squirrel]

vote sam_levi_11
He hasn't said a word this whole game.

[pmchugh]

vote sam_levi_11
He hasn't said a word this whole game.

Really? mod can we get a prod. He probably just forgot about this game.

[spiesr]

Yeah, because he was posting in Counter Terrorism just the other day...

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote: karelpietertje because he's a general.

Hear hear!
unvote, vote karelpietertje

This shows you intend to bandwagon all the time, so vote karelpietertje. Plus you have a fucking annoying name.

I take it back, he did post once. It was just to make a random vote as seen above.

[Iliad]

There's always a few who do not post. Right now, though, we have plenty of things to go from.
I for one can see gollum being a strange role, lyncheresque. He could be just an sk or a survivor, but he could be something interesting like he's hunting down frodo.

But yeah, get sam in here

[Clive]

It is day 1. We have nothing to go on. If you are the person acting scummy, even a little bit, you will get the votes and the questions thrown your way.

Not true, just because it's D1 doesn't mean there's nothing to go on. And I really hate your second sentence. D1 is not just about a random lynch. You also seem to imply that only one person can act scummy on D1, which doesn't make any sense.

No, we do have nothing to go on, no sound proof of anything, if you know something we don't please do tell. I never said it was about a random lynch nor did I imply that only one person could be scummy. I said PMC looks the scummiest, meaning there could be more than one. He is the one I want to pressure, because as he even admits, he has been acting scummy. Voting for someone does not mean you want to lynch them, it can also mean that you want to pressure them into proving they are innocent, which I am doing.

I find your attempt to generate a wagon on Pmc scummy, I fail to see how speculating on what we might be up against is a scumtell.

Why do you find my "attempt to bandwagon PMC" scummy? Any reasons or just to try and pass the blame? The reason you do not know why speculating is a scum tell is because you do not read or your are scum and trying make PMC look innocent. If you read all the posts more than just me explained why speculating is scummy.

Vote Clive

He still has not answered my questions, probably because he still is only skimming. Not only this he seems to be lurking.

I am not lurking, I have posted eveyday.

Why do you find my "attempt to bandwagon PMC" scummy?

Because I think the way he speculated on the setup was a pro-town thing to do, and you are isisting it's scummy and pushing a bandwagon on him for it.

Any reasons or just to try and pass the blame?

This has been my stance from the get go, I have no blame to shift.

The reason you do not know why speculating is a scum tell is because you do not read or your are scum and trying make PMC look innocent.

No, it's because i'm town, and i've tried to think about it logically.

If you read all the posts more than just me explained why speculating is scummy.

I strongly disagree.

However, now that i've read more, i'm starting to feel you're actually a misguided townie.

Unvote

[Stroop]

vote sam_levi_11
He hasn't said a word this whole game.

Really? mod can we get a prod. He probably just forgot about this game.

This is so odd... I kept track of everyone's posting except for sam's, somehow

Prodding sam.

[karelpietertje]

There's always a few who do not post. Right now, though, we have plenty of things to go from.
I for one can see gollum being a strange role, lyncheresque. He could be just an sk or a survivor, but he could be something interesting like he's hunting down frodo.

But yeah, get sam in here

Now this is really strange.
honestly, why would you try to defend somebody who is lurking?
He must really be some kind of bad guy, or he wouldn't have anything to hide.

let's await what Stroop's prodding does.
I... suppose he could have forgotten about this game...

[Iliad]

There's always a few who do not post. Right now, though, we have plenty of things to go from.
I for one can see gollum being a strange role, lyncheresque. He could be just an sk or a survivor, but he could be something interesting like he's hunting down frodo.

But yeah, get sam in here

Now this is really strange.
honestly, why would you try to defend somebody who is lurking?
He must really be some kind of bad guy, or he wouldn't have anything to hide.

let's await what Stroop's prodding does.
I... suppose he could have forgotten about this game...

How was I protecting sam?

[sam_levi_11]

Ah yeah sorry i only remembered at 11 last night when it was too late to post and read. Sorry guys. I did try to hint to MM i had just remembered in live chat lol

Ok so we are all agreed Gollum is likely a lyncher trying to get Frodo. Along with this we agree there are at LEAST 9 town, meaning we have 5 places left. With this ammount of town 3 mafia should be more likely than 4, and that is just under double the ammount of townies. So one role is left, obviously where most false claims will come from so who coul that be as im not THAT familiar with the story, having only seen the first and half the last films. (i read The Hobbit tho lol)

Ok i agree with clive on PMC, i think he genuinly trying to help. AS well as this, unvote

Sorry again.

[Stroop]

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Vote count

pmchugh - 1 (Hologram)
Falkomagno - 1 (nagerous)
Minister Masket - 2 (spiesr, AceArtemis)
Mr. Squirrel - 1 (karelpietertje)
spiesr - 1 (pmchugh)
AceArtemis - 1 (Falkomagno)
Clive - 1 (Suspect101)
sam_levi_11 - 1 (Mr. Squirrel)

Not voting: william18, Iliad, Thezzaruz, Minister Masket, Clive, sam_levi_11

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

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[spiesr]

Okay Sam, but who is scum?

[Suspect101]

so now we are back to square 1 with nothing to go on.........great.

[pmchugh]

so now we are back to square 1 with nothing to go on.........great.

I wouldn't say nothing, there is plenty to analyse.

[nagerous]

Ah yeah sorry i only remembered at 11 last night when it was too late to post and read. Sorry guys. I did try to hint to MM i had just remembered in live chat lol

Ok so we are all agreed Gollum is likely a lyncher trying to get Frodo. Along with this we agree there are at LEAST 9 town, meaning we have 5 places left. With this ammount of town 3 mafia should be more likely than 4, and that is just under double the ammount of townies. So one role is left, obviously where most false claims will come from so who coul that be as im not THAT familiar with the story, having only seen the first and half the last films. (i read The Hobbit tho lol)

Ok i agree with clive on PMC, i think he genuinly trying to help. AS well as this, unvote

Sorry again.

I don't think we should all agree on what a certain character's role is. THe fact that of the matter is we do not know, so we shouldn't speculate.

Also, who knows whether the entire fellowship is in the game. I would certainly hope that the moderator has not done such a thing as a mass claim could just win the game straight away, which takes away from the excitement of the game.