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Hmmm, well I don't agree on the basis being targeted by a usurper automatically makes one mafia for obvious reasons.
However, I do find this attention shift against Iliad to be scummy, the claim also seems a bit vague, although it does make sense for Militant not to have sent in any actions these past three phases, of course we cannot afford to wait this one out with no cop and no doc. We really won't be able to fully confirm this on just a tracker's result, and even if we could, there's no reason to believe there's not a mafia roleblocker as well. (or just by themself even)
Vote Suspect101

[spiesr]

I never impatiently shot someone but shot people who the town demanded to be shot.

Well, when you killed bolt the town wasn't exactly demanding you do. Yes, they didn't know about your power yet. An yes, bolt was nearing a lynch. But, it wasn't exactly like there was a full consensus to off him immediately. Additionally, you did threaten to kill drench without a full town order the other day, but you didn't commit the deed. These are just minor quibbles though.

Yes I doubt a roleblocker because there have been no descriptions of you. So you have either lied and there is no roleblocker, or you have been so ineffective there might as well be no roleblocker.

I realized that alot of the night actions have been mentioned in the scene, but do you really think that every single one was mentioned? Especially the ones that did not have a major effect? Anyway he has just recently stated that his predecessor did not block anyone. This would sort of make sense as militant was replaced do to his not being active at all. So while many of your other points are still excellent points, this one is sub par to convict him on.

[Suspect101]

Its Bolt - Bunnywith (Jack of all Trades)
william18 - Grim Jr (3-shot Vigilante)
FloresDelMal - Elan (Bard)
AceArtemis - Benny (White Mage)
pmchugh - Lucas (Cop)
Drench - Krug/Dr Van Kruglor (Mafia Usurper)
Inkl0sed - TIN - The Incompetent Ninja (Jester)

With these players, you doubt there is a role blocker?

How often do I have to say these days, that I told you so.

Illy your character is hardly townie but I think it is benificial to town to keep you alive presuming you listen to the town for your kills.

my justification was simple-I've seen this happen many many times/ What would've happened is in the end everyone would've voted bolt nd lynched him. This way town gets an extra lynch every day, something bound to keep it ahead of mafia.
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This only keeps you ahead of the mafia if you kill mafia which you have not done all game!!!

think about what Iliad has done:

1) a wreckless kill on ItsBolt when he could have been investigated, and should have been with a role that important.
2) when we lynched Ink, so be it the jester, his basis was how nicely drench put it, a known mafia member.
3) another wreckless kill of flores, the cop is still not dead, so why kill someone you can investigate?
4) Then he killed drench, a mfai usurper.

The only mafia Iliad has killed is a mafia usrper, which is a benefit to the mafia.

meanwhile at night, we lost a mage (dr) and and a cop.

When I first started reading I thought that Iliad was town but just a moron, power hungry, and killing people for no reason, but then I realized this:

If you were mafia, you would either know that Iliad is town or not. If he is town you would want him dead, his role is way to powerful. The Dr. was killed night two, so why not kill him night three? Instead on night three the cop was killed. Why did the mafia not kill the single person who could end thier game with one shot on night three? Why risk killing someone else?

Not only this, but he claims his role on day 1 to kill it's bolt! why do that, why let mafia know about your porweful role? This just makes no sense.

Here comes the newbie all judgmental on me.

I might be a newbie, but at least I am not an idiot.

You obviously completely fail at understanding the game of mafia.

oh really, is that why in every other game I have named all scum, and only lost because of other peoples inactivity/failure to listen to reason?

And stop FUCKING SKIMMING.

I never skim you fucking douche bag cumdumpster.

I never impatiently shot someone but shot people who the town demanded to be shot.
And for bold-people do we really need more evidence for skimming? You know that every day when a lynch came close everyone asked me to shoot and I shot that person. Yet apparently to suspect I killed people for no reason.

YOU NEVER HAD THE CONSENT OF THE TOWN! IF A MAJORITY WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED!

Now onto the game of mafia which you fail at understanding. Simply put it's a race. Between the uninformed majority that is town trying to find out everything, and the informed minority mafia that is trying to destroy town before they find out everything.

thanks for the enlightenment, I was unaware that there were mafia and town.

I have been an extra lynch. All those times I only shot someone who was going to get lynched. That way instead of us lynching that person, I shot him, and we got an extra lynch. Meanwhile you wouldn't know because you lurked and skimmed. Really it doesn't matter. If you have played mafia you would know that town will lynch other pro-townies. Lynches of other townies are very important, and we don't just votee no lynch and let the cop investigate 50 people, people do follow up on leads, people debate, and when the lynch comes info comes out of it. Who supported who, who jumped on the wagon quietly .

ALL YOU HAVE KILLED HAVE BEEN ANTI-MAFIA, you have been no help to any of us except for people in the mafia.

If you read the scenes instead of lurking you would've noticed that your predecessor was rather inactive so his godfather choice for the kill was randomly decided. And their night 3 shot was unfortunately very good. A cop is a much bigger loss than a day vig.

How was I lurking, I posted every day I have been in this game dumbass.

Yes I doubt a roleblocker because there have been no descriptions of you. So you have either lied and there is no roleblocker, or you have been so ineffective there might as well be no roleblocker.

BECAUSE MY PLAYER DID NOT ROLE BLOCK ANYONE. I had no information, which was confirmed in this thread on this page by MM himself, I even quoted it. YOU STOP FUCKING SKIMMING YOU AROGANT PRICK.

Now back onto your defense. Will you even try to refute the facts that you have
Lurked

Never have. I have posted everyday I have been in this game, nice try though.

Skimmed

misquoted yes, never skimmed.

Lied

Never lied, even confirmed by the MODERATOR!

Jumped on one wagon to distance yourself from mafia

he was fucking scum retard

were inactive at the same time the mafia godfather was inactive

I wasn't playing at this time. How could I have been inactive.

Extremely defensive and trying to shift the attention to me and voting me which is a pretty desperate strategy.

when I said nag should be looked at you came up with a 40 line bullshit replication as to why I should be lynched that made no sense. yeah I am going to defend myself, the same way you are now

Please lynch him already

yeah lynch me, or lynch the person who has done nothing but detriment to the town.

[spiesr]

Whoabody, let's let the tempers cool a bit and control the flames before someone does something stupid.

YOU NEVER HAD THE CONSENT OF THE TOWN! IF A MAJORITY WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED!

While it is true that a majority of players never voted for the people Illiad killed, there was in at least a few cases what at least appeared to be a general consensus among the majority of the players actively contributing at the moment that said person should be lynched or killed. The kill of drench earlier this day phase presents such an example. There were not enough people yet voting drench to lynch him, but there was a general feeling amongst those posting that drench should be lynched or killed. There has been some similar amount of support for one of Illiad's past kills as well. Well, I mean more people than not seemed to be of the opinion that flores was not going to be helpful and should be taken out. Saying that he never had the consent of the town is quite a large overstatement. More people than not (of those actively contributing at the time) seemed to be generally in favor of him killing flores and drench at least.

[Iliad]

Its Bolt - Bunnywith (Jack of all Trades)
william18 - Grim Jr (3-shot Vigilante)
FloresDelMal - Elan (Bard)
AceArtemis - Benny (White Mage)
pmchugh - Lucas (Cop)
Drench - Krug/Dr Van Kruglor (Mafia Usurper)
Inkl0sed - TIN - The Incompetent Ninja (Jester)

With these players, you doubt there is a role blocker?

How often do I have to say these days, that I told you so.

Illy your character is hardly townie but I think it is benificial to town to keep you alive presuming you listen to the town for your kills.

my justification was simple-I've seen this happen many many times/ What would've happened is in the end everyone would've voted bolt nd lynched him. This way town gets an extra lynch every day, something bound to keep it ahead of mafia.
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This only keeps you ahead of the mafia if you kill mafia which you have not done all game!!!

think about what Iliad has done:

1) a wreckless kill on ItsBolt when he could have been investigated, and should have been with a role that important.
2) when we lynched Ink, so be it the jester, his basis was how nicely drench put it, a known mafia member.
3) another wreckless kill of flores, the cop is still not dead, so why kill someone you can investigate?
4) Then he killed drench, a mfai usurper.

The only mafia Iliad has killed is a mafia usrper, which is a benefit to the mafia.

meanwhile at night, we lost a mage (dr) and and a cop.

When I first started reading I thought that Iliad was town but just a moron, power hungry, and killing people for no reason, but then I realized this:

If you were mafia, you would either know that Iliad is town or not. If he is town you would want him dead, his role is way to powerful. The Dr. was killed night two, so why not kill him night three? Instead on night three the cop was killed. Why did the mafia not kill the single person who could end thier game with one shot on night three? Why risk killing someone else?

Not only this, but he claims his role on day 1 to kill it's bolt! why do that, why let mafia know about your porweful role? This just makes no sense.

Here comes the newbie all judgmental on me.

I might be a newbie, but at least I am not an idiot.

You obviously completely fail at understanding the game of mafia.

oh really, is that why in every other game I have named all scum, and only lost because of other peoples inactivity/failure to listen to reason?

And stop FUCKING SKIMMING.

I never skim you fucking douche bag cumdumpster.

I never impatiently shot someone but shot people who the town demanded to be shot.
And for bold-people do we really need more evidence for skimming? You know that every day when a lynch came close everyone asked me to shoot and I shot that person. Yet apparently to suspect I killed people for no reason.

YOU NEVER HAD THE CONSENT OF THE TOWN! IF A MAJORITY WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED!

Now onto the game of mafia which you fail at understanding. Simply put it's a race. Between the uninformed majority that is town trying to find out everything, and the informed minority mafia that is trying to destroy town before they find out everything.

thanks for the enlightenment, I was unaware that there were mafia and town.

I have been an extra lynch. All those times I only shot someone who was going to get lynched. That way instead of us lynching that person, I shot him, and we got an extra lynch. Meanwhile you wouldn't know because you lurked and skimmed. Really it doesn't matter. If you have played mafia you would know that town will lynch other pro-townies. Lynches of other townies are very important, and we don't just votee no lynch and let the cop investigate 50 people, people do follow up on leads, people debate, and when the lynch comes info comes out of it. Who supported who, who jumped on the wagon quietly .

ALL YOU HAVE KILLED HAVE BEEN ANTI-MAFIA, you have been no help to any of us except for people in the mafia.

If you read the scenes instead of lurking you would've noticed that your predecessor was rather inactive so his godfather choice for the kill was randomly decided. And their night 3 shot was unfortunately very good. A cop is a much bigger loss than a day vig.

How was I lurking, I posted every day I have been in this game dumbass.

Yes I doubt a roleblocker because there have been no descriptions of you. So you have either lied and there is no roleblocker, or you have been so ineffective there might as well be no roleblocker.

BECAUSE MY PLAYER DID NOT ROLE BLOCK ANYONE. I had no information, which was confirmed in this thread on this page by MM himself, I even quoted it. YOU STOP FUCKING SKIMMING YOU AROGANT PRICK.

Now back onto your defense. Will you even try to refute the facts that you have
Lurked

Never have. I have posted everyday I have been in this game, nice try though.

Skimmed

misquoted yes, never skimmed.

Lied

Never lied, even confirmed by the MODERATOR!

Jumped on one wagon to distance yourself from mafia

he was fucking scum retard

were inactive at the same time the mafia godfather was inactive

I wasn't playing at this time. How could I have been inactive.

Extremely defensive and trying to shift the attention to me and voting me which is a pretty desperate strategy.

when I said nag should be looked at you came up with a 40 line bullshit replication as to why I should be lynched that made no sense. yeah I am going to defend myself, the same way you are now

Please lynch him already

yeah lynch me, or lynch the person who has done nothing but detriment to the town.

Your eloquent replies have destroyed my points. Oh wait throwing a tantrum and swearing uncontrollably doesn't get you what you want. You want to talk-let's talk.

Yes you don't understand the game of mafia. To this day you don't understand- 2 lynches a day =VERY GOOD. Yeah sure we'll lynch pro-town people. But each lynch yields valuable information.

I congratulate you on finding out mafia. However it is not everyone else's fault for not "seeing the reason", but your failure at convincing them that they were mafia. And mafia is nearly all about that.

You never skimmed? Which is why apparently to you I was killing people for no reason. While everytime there was a large number of people all deciding to get him killed. Because that is not evidence of you skimming.

Yes I did have the consent of the town, besides obviously bolt because town didn't know. Why wasn't there a lynch? Because people were smart enough to know that they could instead order me to shoot him and get an extra lynch. I'll let you think about that concept for a minute.

You obviously aren't enlightened about how lynches are very important. Yes my "shots" which were essentially lynches had hit a few town. We will lynch quite a few town, but find out a lot of information from each lynch.

So all of our lynches have been completely useless? What you're saying is that if a lynch hits a pro-town then that lynch is useless? I don't really need to explain why you are wrong if you think that. I hope.

So posting twice during a day is apparently enough? And only coming back when you were suddenly in the spotlight. Not only did you post twice you jumped on a wagon, and then explained a rather strange red herring against nag. You really think that was enough?

That is your explanation. I am offering my explanation of the events.

Everyday? Every game day actually. And quite skillfully you managed to post and actually offer nothing in the terms of creating more discussion.

Skimmed-yes. You still to argue that I am shooting random people, completely away from the consensus of the majority.

Never? Then find me a few posts where nag backed drench. By a few I mean more than one. Go on. Also find me what you posted on the 11, the 12, 13, etc.-where you argue that you have posted every single day.

I know he was an usurper, but I was unaware of his sexual affiliations with mentally disabled.

Mil was still playing then, but the evidence that your role and the godfather were both inactive at the same time does definitely not help you.

Made no sense? Apparently it did because people are voting you. Maybe didn't make sense to you, but that really isn't my fault.

Ah damn that extra lynch a day. All that extra information, town essentially getting an extra day. Obviously a detriment to the town. Obviously.

You can throw all the tantrums you can, call me a cumdumpster, a dumbass, an arrogant prick, but really you are just helping my case. So please go ahead.

[nagerous]

Guys, calm down... I personally don't think that either of you make a good lynch atm so I'm going to change my vote natewolfman for lurking.

[spiesr]

I am not sure that it is intentional lurking as opposed to the more likely his general mafia activity decline, but it still needs something done about it...

[Snorri1234]

There are quite a few others lurking too.

[Snorri1234]

4) sheepofdumb

6) icedagger

10) Natewolfman

13) animorpherv1

18) ace1217

All people who haven't really contributed much.

[Suspect101]

4) sheepofdumb

6) icedagger

10) Natewolfman

13) animorpherv1

18) ace1217

All people who haven't really contributed much.

we need to find replacements for 13 and maybe 18, ani, he is gone, left the game he is modding, and ace has been mia as well in a few games.

[Minister Masket]

I will begin again my eternal search for replacements, although do bear in mind the amount of "fresh meat" these days is limited.
And despite the nasty posting, at least there is discussion - better than none. However, the price you pay for such vulgarity may be your life.

[ace1217]

I will begin again my eternal search for replacements, although do bear in mind the amount of "fresh meat" these days is limited.
And despite the nasty posting, at least there is discussion - better than none. However, the price you pay for such vulgarity may be your life.

No real need for a replacement for me, just not much to talk about really.Also, I'm a bit worried about that threat.

[spiesr]

Which threat?

[Stroop]

So... after a re-read, I actually still don't have much to say.

Except for vote Suspect - for being the mafia godfather...

I'd elaborate but Iliad has said it all, really.

[ace1217]

I will begin again my eternal search for replacements, although do bear in mind the amount of "fresh meat" these days is limited.
And despite the nasty posting, at least there is discussion - better than none. However, the price you pay for such vulgarity may be your life.

Is what I'm worried about.

[Stroop]

I will begin again my eternal search for replacements, although do bear in mind the amount of "fresh meat" these days is limited.
And despite the nasty posting, at least there is discussion - better than none. However, the price you pay for such vulgarity may be your life.

Is what I'm worried about.

Because you're so vulgar?

Do you actually have something to contribute? On the Suspect vs. Iliad thing maybe?

[ace1217]

Suspects case is bad but I don't think either of them is scum: still reasonably sure that illiad isn't working for our best interests, though.

[Stroop]

Suspects case is bad but I don't think either of them is scum: still reasonably sure that illiad isn't working for our best interests, though.

And by "our best interests", do you mean the town or those of you and your lover?

[ace1217]

Suspects case is bad but I don't think either of them is scum: still reasonably sure that illiad isn't working for our best interests, though.

And by "our best interests", do you mean the town or those of you and your lover?

Town, mostly, but I must admit I'm not very comfortable with the daykiller around.

[spiesr]

I will begin again my eternal search for replacements, although do bear in mind the amount of "fresh meat" these days is limited.
And despite the nasty posting, at least there is discussion - better than none. However, the price you pay for such vulgarity may be your life.

Is what I'm worried about.

Really? I interpreted this to mean that those who lost their cool while arguing were liable to be lynched...

[sheepofdumb]

Normally this is where I'd feel sorry for the newbie who doesn't understand:

2 lynches a day =VERY GOOD.

but when people get so passionate about a game that they start screaming and cussing that's when it's time for them to go.

He attempted to shift attention to Iliad who has been much more of a help to the town than he has. He also doesn't understand, that with the exception of Bolt, who was a dead man anyways and personally I don't like him too much either, were all the people nearing the gallows. He did not go and kill someone who had maybe one vote on them because they said something Iliad didn't like.

yeah lynch me

he's given his consent.

So Vote Suspect.

Also:
I find it weird that Mili didn't try to block anyone. Whatever.

[spiesr]

I find it weird that Mili didn't try to block anyone. Whatever.

It could be do to his massive inactivity that got him replaced.

[sheepofdumb]

Well I was inactive but I was still here for each night.

[Suspect101]

Normally this is where I'd feel sorry for the newbie who doesn't understand:

2 lynches a day =VERY GOOD.

Except that 2 town lynches a day = VERY BAD

but when people get so passionate about a game that they start screaming and cussing that's when it's time for them to go.

so next you are going to lynch iliad for the same reasons right?

He attempted to shift attention to Iliad who has been much more of a help to the town than he has. He also doesn't understand, that with the exception of Bolt, who was a dead man anyways and personally I don't like him too much either, were all the people nearing the gallows. He did not go and kill someone who had maybe one vote on them because they said something Iliad didn't like.

He did not have a majority vote on him, and assuming that mafia will vote for town, probably a good deal of them were on the wagon which means that even less town wanted him dead.

Also:
I find it weird that Mili didn't try to block anyone. Whatever.

That is because he was not playing, which is why he was replaced.

[Iliad]

Normally this is where I'd feel sorry for the newbie who doesn't understand:

2 lynches a day =VERY GOOD.

Except that 2 town lynches a day = VERY BAD

WHAT?

Suspect what part of-lynches are very, very good don't you understand. Yeah we'll get town. That's how it works. And after each lynch we get mroe and more information. Who defended whom, who attacked whom, who voted and went back to lurking. We are essentially getting two days for each night the mafia has. If you cannot comprehend that then you're a pretty lost cause. We will lynch town. That is a fact, but that's how it works and we will find the mafia. By having two days to every night the mafia has that will hopefully be not too difficult.

but when people get so passionate about a game that they start screaming and cussing that's when it's time for them to go.

so next you are going to lynch iliad for the same reasons right?

I said f*ck, once. And not even directed at anyone, it was an adverb for the verb "skim". You however took it way too far, spicing up every sentence with a colourful insult. I would've told you to go to Flame Wars, but it no longer exists, and you weren't too good at it anyway.

He attempted to shift attention to Iliad who has been much more of a help to the town than he has. He also doesn't understand, that with the exception of Bolt, who was a dead man anyways and personally I don't like him too much either, were all the people nearing the gallows. He did not go and kill someone who had maybe one vote on them because they said something Iliad didn't like.

He did not have a majority vote on him, and assuming that mafia will vote for town, probably a good deal of them were on the wagon which means that even less town wanted him dead.

I love your logic.
Mafia wants town dead=some mafia will vote for town=all mafia will vote for town
Unfortunately it is usually not as easy that. Trust me you're not the first to think of looking at the people who voted for the lynch. Some mafia will vote during a lynch, but that isn't to say the lynch wasn't the town's decision. And without me the same things would've happened just this would be day 8 right now

Also:
I find it weird that Mili didn't try to block anyone. Whatever.

That is because he was not playing, which is why he was replaced.

But him exactly. Out of all the people inactive MM judged that he was the most important and the most needed to replace. After all who is more important than mafia godfather?