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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Suspect101 on Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:36 pm

spiesr wrote:At this point we might as well do what appears to be the road we are maybe heading on and have suspect fork over a claim. Towards this end I vote suspect. He should soon have enough that he will attempt some sort of claim...


I see where this is going so I will just claim now.

I am minimandy, the town role blocker.

vote Iliad

he has no sound reason and is grasping at nothing.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Suspect101 on Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:37 pm

Suspect101 wrote:
spiesr wrote:At this point we might as well do what appears to be the road we are maybe heading on and have suspect fork over a claim. Towards this end I vote suspect. He should soon have enough that he will attempt some sort of claim...


I see where this is going so I will just claim now.

I am minimandy, the town role blocker.

vote Iliad

he has no sound reason and is grasping at nothing.


oh and my questions that I am STILL wating to get answered from MM is if and who my replacee blocked in nights.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby spiesr on Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:43 pm

Suspect101 wrote:oh and my questions that I am STILL wating to get answered from MM is if and who my replacee blocked in nights.
I had some similar issues coercing that sort of info out of him myself. I suggest that you just keep sending him pms until he gives you what you need, don't just wait for him to do it himself.
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About your vote against Illiad, remember that he is Richard, a daykiller of some sort.
I am not sure if he has officially claimed to be a town daykiller or not. I don't think he has made such a claim. He could be some sort of serial killer, but the town seems to be letting him live for now as long as he behaves himself...
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Snorri1234 on Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:47 pm

Suspect101 wrote:
spiesr wrote:At this point we might as well do what appears to be the road we are maybe heading on and have suspect fork over a claim. Towards this end I vote suspect. He should soon have enough that he will attempt some sort of claim...


I see where this is going so I will just claim now.

I am minimandy, the town role blocker.

vote Iliad

he has no sound reason and is grasping at nothing.


Why vote for someone who is a confirmed daykiller and helped us kill a mafia?
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby spiesr on Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:50 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:Why vote for someone who is a confirmed daykiller and helped us kill a mafia?
I am guessing that he didn't remember/know this when he voted.
But since he is not confirmed town, it may be justifiable to vote for him at some point.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Suspect101 on Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:23 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
Suspect101 wrote:
spiesr wrote:At this point we might as well do what appears to be the road we are maybe heading on and have suspect fork over a claim. Towards this end I vote suspect. He should soon have enough that he will attempt some sort of claim...


I see where this is going so I will just claim now.

I am minimandy, the town role blocker.

vote Iliad

he has no sound reason and is grasping at nothing.


Why vote for someone who is a confirmed daykiller and helped us kill a mafia?


how do you know he is a town daykiller, he could just be eliminating rival factions, as he is the one to suggest there was more than one.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Iliad on Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:27 pm

Suspect101 wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Suspect101 wrote:
spiesr wrote:At this point we might as well do what appears to be the road we are maybe heading on and have suspect fork over a claim. Towards this end I vote suspect. He should soon have enough that he will attempt some sort of claim...


I see where this is going so I will just claim now.

I am minimandy, the town role blocker.

vote Iliad

he has no sound reason and is grasping at nothing.


Why vote for someone who is a confirmed daykiller and helped us kill a mafia?


how do you know he is a town daykiller, he could just be eliminating rival factions, as he is the one to suggest there was more than one.
After I went through drench's posts and noticed him talking about different factions and how he could bring down one of them. Please don't try to twist the truth even mroe.

Frankly I don't believe the claim. The evidence points far in the opposite direction. Mil was inactive, suspect was inactive, the kill wasn't sent in by the godfather. And how convenient that you blame MM for the fact that you don't know your previous actions as a "blocker". That's because he can't refute that, and so you can always comfortably not explain your previous actions.

There is no evidence of a blocker even existing, nothing even close is described in any of the scenes. However the evidence does seriously incriminate you.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Iliad on Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:31 pm

Also on the matter of my townness-really?
I am a daykiller whose identity is revealed if I use my powers. I would gain nothing if I was not town by hopefully speeding up town's victory.
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Webcomics Mafia! - Day 4!

Postby Nzen on Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:53 pm

Iliad, I respect your restraint. Despite your obvious passion and ability, you wait until a sizable faction backs your candidate. I am willing to speed this transition.

Unvote vote Suspect101

Suspect101, we understand that you didn't ask for nagerous' lynch; but, your finger of suspicion demanded more credence than you supplied. Either your role came with investigatory powers or an antisocial bias. The subsequent weaseling indicates the latter.
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Webcomics Mafia! - Day 4!

Postby Nzen on Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:07 pm

Sin. I had only read until page 30 and not noticed suspect101's claim. Nevertheless, it maintains the pattern of vagueness (MM tells you the role but not militant's results) that provoked my vote. I invite your scumbuddies to come forward and 'admit' to being blocked so we back off.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby nagerous on Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:03 am

I doubt Masket would with-hold information, I know if I had replaced someone and asked what their previous actions were he would respond immediately with said info.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby spiesr on Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:40 am

nagerous wrote:I doubt Masket would with-hold information, I know if I had replaced someone and asked what their previous actions were he would respond immediately with said info.
Well, when I replaced, he didn't bother sending me ga7's past actions and it took about four more pms to actually get him to give me the info. It was clear that he was messing with me. Suspect's claim is still in question, but it is possible that MM didn't attach all the info the first time around. However, Suspect should be able to pester him into getting this soon and if he doesn't that may be further evidence of him lying.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby nagerous on Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:50 am

Was there anything useful in your previous information?
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby spiesr on Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:54 am

nagerous wrote:Was there anything useful in your previous information?
Mine?
Only that "I" wathced Iliad on Night 1 and / on Night 2 and that no one visited either of them. So nothing that really turned out to be that useful.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Suspect101 on Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:38 am

Its Bolt - Bunnywith (Jack of all Trades)
william18 - Grim Jr (3-shot Vigilante)
FloresDelMal - Elan (Bard)
AceArtemis - Benny (White Mage)
pmchugh - Lucas (Cop)
Drench - Krug/Dr Van Kruglor (Mafia Usurper)
Inkl0sed - TIN - The Incompetent Ninja (Jester)

With these players, you doubt there is a role blocker?

Iliad wrote:
pmchugh wrote:How often do I have to say these days, that I told you so.

Illy your character is hardly townie but I think it is benificial to town to keep you alive presuming you listen to the town for your kills.

my justification was simple-I've seen this happen many many times/ What would've happened is in the end everyone would've voted bolt nd lynched him. This way town gets an extra lynch every day, something bound to keep it ahead of mafia.
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This only keeps you ahead of the mafia if you kill mafia which you have not done all game!!!

think about what Iliad has done:

1) a wreckless kill on ItsBolt when he could have been investigated, and should have been with a role that important.
2) when we lynched Ink, so be it the jester, his basis was how nicely drench put it, a known mafia member.
3) another wreckless kill of flores, the cop is still not dead, so why kill someone you can investigate?
4) Then he killed drench, a mfai usurper.

The only mafia Iliad has killed is a mafia usrper, which is a benefit to the mafia.

meanwhile at night, we lost a mage (dr) and and a cop.

When I first started reading I thought that Iliad was town but just a moron, power hungry, and killing people for no reason, but then I realized this:

If you were mafia, you would either know that Iliad is town or not. If he is town you would want him dead, his role is way to powerful. The Dr. was killed night two, so why not kill him night three? Instead on night three the cop was killed. Why did the mafia not kill the single person who could end thier game with one shot on night three? Why risk killing someone else?

Not only this, but he claims his role on day 1 to kill it's bolt! why do that, why let mafia know about your porweful role? This just makes no sense.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Stroop on Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:11 am

Suspect101 wrote:The only mafia Iliad has killed is a mafia usrper, which is a benefit to the mafia.

Mafia don't know that there's a usurper. If Iliad is mafia, he did not know Drench was the usurper until he killed him.

If you were mafia, you would either know that Iliad is town or not. If he is town you would want him dead, his role is way to powerful. The Dr. was killed night two, so why not kill him night three? Instead on night three the cop was killed. Why did the mafia not kill the single person who could end thier game with one shot on night three? Why risk killing someone else?

Not only this, but he claims his role on day 1 to kill it's bolt! why do that, why let mafia know about your porweful role? This just makes no sense.

This has been bugging me too though.

Anyway... I need a good re-read before I say anything else here.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby spiesr on Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:38 am

Suspect101 wrote:so why kill someone you can investigate?
With this logic, why should we ever lynch anyone when they could instead be investigated?
Suspect101 wrote:If you were mafia, you would either know that Iliad is town or not.
Actually no, they would know if he is mafia or not. If he is not, they would not know if he is town or third party. He seems more like he may be more third party than town...
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby nagerous on Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:57 am

Regardless, I'm going to unvote suspect and hope that if he is a roleblocker he uses that power sensibly..
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:53 am

Suspect101 wrote:
1) a wreckless kill on ItsBolt when he could have been investigated, and should have been with a role that important.
2) when we lynched Ink, so be it the jester, his basis was how nicely drench put it, a known mafia member.
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Wreckless?

Drench only turned out to be mafia this day. So saying that Drench put it nicely isn't a scumtell.


I think Iliad is third party though, both because of his character (richard) and because of his actions and role. Killing Drench to leave room for another lynch isn't benificial to mafia because it leaves more room for another, better lynch. And since Drench would not be known as an unsurper to him he would be killing his own faction. So that leaves mafia out.
And as for him being just town, he has killed Itsbolt when he claimed a powerrole which is pretty silly to do on day one.


But this is unimportant because you're not defending yourself but trying to shift attention to someone else. Your claim has no credibility because nobody has come out with saying they've been roleblocked. There is no mention in any scene that someone was roleblocked. Why hasn't MM given you the info yet?
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Suspect101 on Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:05 am

I have pmed MM twice and got no answer back. I am wondering why I have gotten no answers back as well.

I have defend myself. I have made a roll claim and given just reasons for my actions. You do not find it odd that iliad did not get taken out by the mafia after the dr died?
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby spiesr on Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:54 pm

Suspect101 wrote:You do not find it odd that iliad did not get taken out by the mafia after the dr died?
I was somewhat surprised by this, but you never know what the mafia's strategy is...
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Minister Masket on Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:03 pm

Thanks for the second PM Suspect. I've had alot on my mind this week.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:32 pm

Suspect101 wrote: You do not find it odd that iliad did not get taken out by the mafia after the dr died?


Well yeah, but that's not really the point.

Lynching Iliad really isn't going to happen right now, and there is plenty reasons as to why he isn't mafia.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Suspect101 on Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:54 pm

Minister Masket wrote:Thanks for the second PM Suspect. I've had alot on my mind this week.


and the information received was that militant blocked no one.
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Re: Webcomics Mafia! The Warlock and The Demon - Day 4!

Postby Iliad on Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:31 pm

Suspect101 wrote:Its Bolt - Bunnywith (Jack of all Trades)
william18 - Grim Jr (3-shot Vigilante)
FloresDelMal - Elan (Bard)
AceArtemis - Benny (White Mage)
pmchugh - Lucas (Cop)
Drench - Krug/Dr Van Kruglor (Mafia Usurper)
Inkl0sed - TIN - The Incompetent Ninja (Jester)

With these players, you doubt there is a role blocker?

Iliad wrote:
pmchugh wrote:How often do I have to say these days, that I told you so.

Illy your character is hardly townie but I think it is benificial to town to keep you alive presuming you listen to the town for your kills.

my justification was simple-I've seen this happen many many times/ What would've happened is in the end everyone would've voted bolt nd lynched him. This way town gets an extra lynch every day, something bound to keep it ahead of mafia.
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This only keeps you ahead of the mafia if you kill mafia which you have not done all game!!!

think about what Iliad has done:

1) a wreckless kill on ItsBolt when he could have been investigated, and should have been with a role that important.
2) when we lynched Ink, so be it the jester, his basis was how nicely drench put it, a known mafia member.
3) another wreckless kill of flores, the cop is still not dead, so why kill someone you can investigate?
4) Then he killed drench, a mfai usurper.

The only mafia Iliad has killed is a mafia usrper, which is a benefit to the mafia.

meanwhile at night, we lost a mage (dr) and and a cop.

When I first started reading I thought that Iliad was town but just a moron, power hungry, and killing people for no reason, but then I realized this:


If you were mafia, you would either know that Iliad is town or not. If he is town you would want him dead, his role is way to powerful. The Dr. was killed night two, so why not kill him night three? Instead on night three the cop was killed. Why did the mafia not kill the single person who could end thier game with one shot on night three? Why risk killing someone else?

Not only this, but he claims his role on day 1 to kill it's bolt! why do that, why let mafia know about your porweful role? This just makes no sense.

Here comes the newbie all judgmental on me.

You obviously completely fail at understanding the game of mafia. And stop FUCKING SKIMMING. I never impatiently shot someone but shot people who the town demanded to be shot.
And for bold-people do we really need more evidence for skimming? You know that every day when a lynch came close everyone asked me to shoot and I shot that person. Yet apparently to suspect I killed people for no reason.


Now onto the game of mafia which you fail at understanding. Simply put it's a race. Between the uninformed majority that is town trying to find out everything, and the informed minority mafia that is trying to destroy town before they find out everything.

I have been an extra lynch. All those times I only shot someone who was going to get lynched. That way instead of us lynching that person, I shot him, and we got an extra lynch. Meanwhile you wouldn't know because you lurked and skimmed. Really it doesn't matter. If you have played mafia you would know that town will lynch other pro-townies. Lynches of other townies are very important, and we don't just votee no lynch and let the cop investigate 50 people, people do follow up on leads, people debate, and when the lynch comes info comes out of it. Who supported who, who jumped on the wagon quietly .


If you read the scenes instead of lurking you would've noticed that your predecessor was rather inactive so his godfather choice for the kill was randomly decided. And their night 3 shot was unfortunately very good. A cop is a much bigger loss than a day vig.

Yes I doubt a roleblocker because there have been no descriptions of you. So you have either lied and there is no roleblocker, or you have been so ineffective there might as well be no roleblocker.

Now back onto your defense. Will you even try to refute the facts that you have
Lurked
Skimmed
Lied
Jumped on one wagon to distance yourself from mafia
were inactive at the same time the mafia godfather was inactive
Extremely defensive and trying to shift the attention to me and voting me which is a pretty desperate strategy.

Please lynch him already
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