Dark Knight Mafia! The End! Town Win!

[Thezzaruz]

two locked roles, one becomes harvey dent (survivor) and the other two-face (serial killer), the roles are most likely linked since they share a body,

2 Harveys? Interesting. I still don't see survivor being a good fit for Harvey (storywise Rachel would be a perfect fit IMO) but who knows.

there could also be the chance two-faces' other persona is trying to target Harvey dent himself, eliminating his other side, in which case we should kill him with our own hands, so that we don't have to worry about about an uncontrolled killer.

Dent as a survivor/lynchee and TwoFace as a SK/Lyncher (but with kills instead of lynches)? That makes some sort of sense at least.

[SEAsportsfan]

So, as I understand it, if Ani is Harvey (which he said he is) and there is another guy who is Two-Face, and we lynch Ani, then Two-Face dies as well? If so, I'm all for lynching Ani. However, I recall someone saying that we could use Ani to manipulate Two-Face into giving us an extra kill. I'm not sure how effective that would be, and to be honest, I think we need a lynch, but I am willing to go with whatever you guys want to do.


But, VOTE ANI

[animorpherv1]

[Natewolfman]

vote count?

[Thezzaruz]

ani 3 - the rest 0 (6 for a lynch right?)

[pmchugh]

Well, since Ani can't tell us anything, perhaps it's alright to guess?
Maybe Two face is suffering from multiple personalities in this game, two locked roles, one becomes harvey dent (survivor) and the other two-face (serial killer), the roles are most likely linked since they share a body, most likely both will die if either is killed. They could also be masons.
If ani doesn't control the killings, it probably doesn't benefit town to keep him alive, but on the other hand, if ani is linked with the killer, we can control the killings by threatening to kill ani if the killer doesn't eliminate our choices each night.
there could also be the chance two-faces' other persona is trying to target Harvey dent himself, eliminating his other side, in which case we should kill him with our own hands, so that we don't have to worry about about an uncontrolled killer.
Vote Animorph
still the joker is the main problem, it may be best to accept all the help we can get if we can get a better lead.

This is very interesting but still it doesn't fit.

First off ani claimed another role why would he do this if he really was innocent Harvey Dent?

Secondly the role he claimed before was virtually confirmed, and it doesn't seem to fit Harvey as well. And the joker tends to at least give close to the truth clues and Harvey Dent doesn't fit the bill here either with the joker giving us those usurper clues.

Then why did ani need to claim? We believed him fully before today so it was completely unneeded.

Finally:

I seriously wish I could tell you why. And I won't unless you keep me alive.

This makes it sond like he is being forced to say this probably by the joker, meanly he already tried to get us to lynch ani once why not for a second time?

Another option is that he transformed into Harvey Dent when Harvey Dent became Two-face but this seems unlikely as why would one person just magically turn into another and why would he claim it straight away? Plus he said he "lied" before not that his role had changed.

On second thought Im not sure ani is Harvey/Two-face and I think that its likely he is being forced to do this.

unvote for now

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That makes sense, obviously if you fake-claim, you must stick to it.
Unvote
I wonder what the joker has against ani though.

[Natewolfman]

I would like to know more about dent and dont think we should vote him right now until we know more, it may be a good thing to keep him around, after all it seems this game likes its riddles and games, they would expect us to lynch him, no?

[animorpherv1]

Noone mention anything about me being forced.

[pmchugh]

Noone mention anything about me being forced.

Anyway we have to look for other targets now, I will re-read tonight and find someone suspicious.

[ga7]

Pmc makes sense, I had forgotten that his previous claim had been confirmed... Maybe we're dealing with a weird kind of framer? There are two things that made me tick when reading earlier but I forgot and I'm sleepy, must be my old age How are we with the deadline so I know if I can postpone it till tomorrow or not?

[animorpherv1]

Noone mention anything about me being forced.

quoting this so people who don't ead last page will see it.

[pmchugh]

My Summary
animo- Eh best not saytoo much here
ga7- Claimed butler (batman enabler) but had a strange mis-lynch on him.
nate- Claimed (and so far undisputed) batman. (JOAT)
drake- NEEDS PRODDED- hasn't posted since January.
thezz- has made sense most of the time
SEA- has played a typical good newbie townie, if he's scum then he's a natural at this.
MM-Seems suspcious at best, spent most of his time joking about frenchie being scum and other useless cmments e.g:

Decisions, decisions....

strider- been quite/ hard to get a read on. Wouldnt be surprised if you were a minor scum role.

/- Most suspcious player IMO, been lurking for large parts and unhelpful early on. You then seemed keen to slve the riddles and put forward the best reasoned excuse to lynch ani. Im betting your the joker unvote vote /.

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Fair enough, admittedly I rarely help much the first day in games, I just feel it's presumptuous to accuse anyone before getting the feel of the setup.

[ga7]

Phew just reread, that took a while.
I think Strider and Drake should be replaced, they haven't posted in ages. And Masket modkilled.

I'd like to take a moment to brag and point out something quite weird:

I think Nag has a high chance to be either the Joker or Lau, who would definitely be a baddie. That combined with the total skimming makes me want to dig into this deeper.
Vote Nag

Nagerous (Lau[Convincer]) has died.

pmc are you suspicious that I slightly misread a cop...

Ok, ga7, I want to tell you something, this is a setup but natewolfman investigate me tonight and you will be revealed my true identity.. I want you to please do that so I can be secure and safe in what I do but I cannot claim or give details...

hmm... pmc missing? he was innocent as of my claim... does that mean he was kidnapped as a known innocent?

also, i investigated nag, he is town for sure, no worries on him

WOW nice catch iliad.

vote ga7

Also, I hope nate's investigation of me clears me.

I don't think Nate is naive. Nag was perfectly aware that he would somehow appear innocent upon his investigation. Would it be that the green roles can't be detected? I doubt so, because of Derf's investigation.
That leads me to believe green is not third party but the "mob" roles working together; if the Joker mafia had a goon that was busdriver it is very likely they have one too (overpowered IMO ><) and Nag knew he could be switched. It's quite possible this busdriver and the dead LSU fucked up some things that way (although I suppose they might also have caused some scum killings seeing the last night which is all good )

(insert excuse for bragging part 2)

I'm confused as can be. Vote GA to better explain what is going on.

We have 66 hours left. That is almost 3 days. Instead of wanting to lynch me for BS reasons which will only show you first outed Batman then pushed for a clear pro-town role's lynch while ignoring totally any logical argument and hopefully causing you to be lynched the next day. I wouldn't mind this course of action if my role wasn't helpful; it's not the case.
It might be a long shot but there's one guy left who could fit in the riddles and that seems to try hard to stay low profile. I'd like to see where this leads.
Vote LSU Tiger Josh and FOS Illy as whatever happens he's the most actively scummy so far IMO.

LSU Tiger Josh(Joker's Thug[Busdriver/Goon])

Ok I still dunno if the riddle was refering to LSU or since it was more fitting for Ani it tried to mislead us, but considering that today Ani claimed Dent... It's pretty clear Ani has been targeted for this. I still dont quite get the reasoning behind this:

I'm so freaking confused. For the record I had no clue I was gonna be saved else you can imagine I wouldn't have wasted time and energy defending myself for BS heh. The Ani thing makes no sense too but I'm all for getting rid of Two face
I was wondering if green was another mafia or third party, thanks for clearing that up Ani.

Please don't.

If you have to, lynch me in Lylo.

but well... Nah other explanations would be too farfetched.

Now for the suspects... I don't really see it for /, mostly because he has been a bit more vocal than usual and taking stances. Masket on the other hand, has been less vocal than usual and didn't cause as much a PITA and screwing around which I find rather odd.
My real feeling however is for Thezz. Now, Thezz is the careful type but while rereading I got this general feeling that he was scum. Things like:

Ahh, up up and away...


Can't see why MM should be blamed for any PRs suffered tbh. Vote ace1217 for shifting the blame.

First vote linking ftw?

» Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:13 pm
also, i investigated nag, he is town for sure, no worries on him

So "town for sure" turned out to be the Mob money man (just as derf said). Nate's credibility took a beating there tbh.

as for nag - I dont remember the exact wording on the confirm, but i was pretty clearly stated that nag was clean so I dont know about that...

You have the PM saved?? Seeing as derf's result was spot on and yours was way off it's kind of important to know if you read or investigate poorly...

Questionning the Batman's sanity, really?

And other two nonquotable elements that tip the scale for me are the pushing heavily on Ani right now and the fact that yesterday when several accusations were going on he was way silent. I couldn't even find a vote by him. Not wetting himself right when scum is involved seems way fishy.
I think I'm onto something and as we say, "Jamais 2 sans 3" so
Vote Thezz

[pmchugh]

I uderstand the masket thing but not really thez IMO.

Now for the suspects... I don't really see it for /, mostly because he has been a bit more vocal than usual and taking stances. Masket on the other hand, has been less vocal than usual and didn't cause as much a PITA and screwing around which I find rather odd.
My real feeling however is for Thezz. Now, Thezz is the careful type but while rereading I got this general feeling that he was scum. Things like:

Ahh, up up and away...


Can't see why MM should be blamed for any PRs suffered tbh. Vote ace1217 for shifting the blame.

First vote linking ftw?
Its a first vote with a smiley on the end, don't take it too seriously

» Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:13 pm
also, i investigated nag, he is town for sure, no worries on him

So "town for sure" turned out to be the Mob money man (just as derf said). Nate's credibility took a beating there tbh.

as for nag - I dont remember the exact wording on the confirm, but i was pretty clearly stated that nag was clean so I dont know about that...

You have the PM saved?? Seeing as derf's result was spot on and yours was way off it's kind of important to know if you read or investigate poorly...

Questionning the Batman's sanity, really?

It is more likely a reason you said but in fairness he was wrong (nate)

And other two nonquotable elements that tip the scale for me are the pushing heavily on Ani right now and the fact that yesterday when several accusations were going on he was way silent. I couldn't even find a vote by him. Not wetting himself right when scum is involved seems way fishy.
I think I'm onto something and as we say, "Jamais 2 sans 3" so
Vote Thezz

My french is awful I make that out as "friends 2 us 3". Which some how seems wrong

[ga7]

Lol it means never 2 without 3. The first quote was merely supported by the idea voting your scumbuddy as a first vote is scarily commonplace and especially amongst experienced players for some reason; due to the low amount of posts Thezz had overall before today I find it relevant. The whole Nate thing however is way more so, he is obviously repeatedly tried to put into doubt Nate's sanity when you only have to read the death scene to have a possible explanation in the presence of a busdriver. That is not a townie behaviour.
I might browse again the thread focusing on this later but it really was shocking to me to see Thezz conveniently absent in many of the key moments of the past day; it's not like he never posted but he never took a stance when it mattered. I find it way too fishy seeing his posts of today.

[Minister Masket]

It's usually around about this point in a game where I cock things up for everyone, but I actually want to see this one through.
I'll re-read and see if there's anything incriminating.

[pmchugh]

It's usually around about this point in a game where I cock things up for everyone, but I actually want to see this one through.
I'll re-read and see if there's anything incriminating.

MM trying to be useful You must be the joker

[william18]

The Disappointment

Everyone was discussing when suddenly from up above, a piece a paper floated down from the ceiling. One of the supervisor's picked up the piece of paper, since he was going to read it. He swallowed nervously. " It's from The Joker" he said. " It reads:

Hello everyone, you might have caught on with another one of my tricks. To bad animorph went out of bounds, now he has to pay the penelty. Im so disappointed. Do you think im stupid, since by the way you were acting, it seems like you thought I would allow a lopehole of somesort. Hehe, well your wrong. You see you can't cheat The Joker. Animorph, please open your wallet"

when this was read, animorph opened his wallet, and with a surprised face, pulled out a Joker card. The supervisor continued reading, getting nervous already.

"You see, im as close as can be, yet far away from your reach"

a few seconds after he read this, a bullet shattered the glass, and punctured animorph's head, killing him instantly. Everyone gasped at both the event's, and the precision timing.
The supervisor was trembling, but continued.

" You see im not gonna be easy to outsmart. You might have figured out my tricks so far, but The Joker always has more up his sleeve".

Animorpherv1(Lucius Fox[Inventor]) has been killed.

[animorpherv1]

/feels cheated about death.

SERIOUSLY, though, everything I did was in the rules.

[derfderf34]

I will replace if need be

[ga7]

I don't get it, was it a modkill as Ani suggests or a daykill?

[SEAsportsfan]

yeah, and even more confusing, ani wasn't harvey

[Thezzaruz]

I don't get it, was it a modkill as Ani suggests or a daykill?

Both ani's reaction and the scene to me implies that it was a "set" event and thus more of a ModKill than anything else.

Also if this game has both Dent and the Joker able to make kills day as night and on consecutive phases then I don't see how we townies have any possibility of winning.