Trivial Twist Mafia! End of Madness!

[pmchugh]

I didn't see any scum tells while skoffin was playing, Still, I suppose Nick, might be scummy, perhaps?
Also, judging by MM's posts, Cena isn't just a normal action-less actor, though I don't think we'll get much from pressing that any further.
I know we need a lynch, but I don't feel comfortable rushing this under current circumstances.
On the other hand, the odds definitely aren't getting any better from here with no lynch Vote Nickbaldwin...

The deadline is in about 24 hours but i dont see whats wrong with a good old no lynch? In these circumstances with no NK's it doesnt really affect much although I am suspicious of the unlucky 13 night, could mean deaths so I suppose your right.

I don't know whether to go for nick or not, Im also wary of you you seem to have been leading the town for a while and its possible that you lynched sam to appear innocent

[icedagger]

We're not in "these circumstances with no NKs", with no doc there's no reason there shouldn't be one tonight.

How can you accuse / of "leading town" (which isn't scummy in itself anyway) when he's following my vote?

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Really now, that again?
What is this "Town" I'm supposedly leading?
I'm currently 1/6 of the whole vote, Cena and Dunc don't seem to want to say anything, nick has replaced just recently, ideally more people would be giving their theories, but it's really pretty much just you me and ice, I was suspicious of Kalish only because we were all pretty much contemplating Iliad's lynch for several days, you are just as guilty of lynching him as myself, but pushing against one suspected scum and actually providing followup ideas the next day suddenly makes me the mastermind behind the whole game?
Unvote, vote PMC, you are acting even more indecisive than Nick in my opinion, yet have suggested by far much scummier ideas, all the while not following through, you say to lynch ice, but don't vote, you say I'm scummy, but still don't vote, you suggest a mass claim, then imediately call it a bad idea. That and you seem to change the subject while dropping these hints as well.

[pmchugh]

Really now, that again?
What is this "Town" I'm supposedly leading?
I'm currently 1/6 of the whole vote, Cena and Dunc don't seem to want to say anything, nick has replaced just recently, ideally more people would be giving their theories, but it's really pretty much just you me and ice, I was suspicious of Kalish only because we were all pretty much contemplating Iliad's lynch for several days, you are just as guilty of lynching him as myself, but pushing against one suspected scum and actually providing followup ideas the next day suddenly makes me the mastermind behind the whole game?
Unvote, vote PMC, you are acting even more indecisive than Nick in my opinion, yet have suggested by far much scummier ideas, all the while not following through, you say to lynch ice, but don't vote, you say I'm scummy, but still don't vote, you suggest a mass claim, then imediately call it a bad idea. That and you seem to change the subject while dropping these hints as well.

This is exactly what im talking about you and ice are running the entire game, he says something you back it up and vise versa. If one of you is scum we are screwed. I may as well claim now because soon after seeing this ice will vote for me then cena will come back and bandwagon and nick will just be glad hes no longer on the chopping list and vote me as well hence your one vote leads the town to lynching me. The town don't have to be active to be lead quite the opposite, if they arent reading properly they are more likely to bandwaggon and follow the guy who seems to know whats going on.

And im just suggesting ideas, the game is confusing and yes im not sure what direction to go in but that doesnt automatically make me scum. In fact its barely even a tell, scum are the ones in the know so they will have a clear idea of what they want to do.

[Minister Masket]

TIMEOUT!
A No Lynch has been forced, with Nick and pmchugh only recieving one vote apiece.

Night 13 Has Begun!

Tonight is the night to put your luck and knowledge on the line. Instead of sending night actions, I will shortly give you all instructions via PM on how this special night will play out.
Good luck...

[Minister Masket]

Make sure to reply to me via PM, not here.

[Minister Masket]

Well cena chose the middle of this special night to decide he wants replacing, which means I can't do the rest of what I was planning, as it wouldn't be fair on both the new person and you lot for waiting. Darn.

Hopefully, we'll have a replacement for cena by tonight, then we'll start the new day.

[animorpherv1]

I'd do it, if possible.

[Minister Masket]

Excellent.
Pray tell this is the last replacement of the game, I'm truely sick of PM roles to new people...

animorpherv1 replaces cena-rules

[Minister Masket]

One thing to note before we start the day.
Everyone answered their questions correctly, so congratulations!

Day 14 Dawns!

[animorpherv1]

Hi everyone, I'm back .

[pmchugh]

We probably would have died had we got it wrong can't think of any other reason it was unlucky.

Im glad ani replaced as he played at the start.

Now who do we all suspect?

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Actually, given a night to think it over, I've changed my mind, since there probably isn't a mafia roleblocker, I'm for a mass claim, there's still possibility we can uncover the last bits of info missing to solve this, but I think Ice or Ani should decide the claiming order. (preferably starting with themselves.)

[pmchugh]

Actually, given a night to think it over, I've changed my mind, since there probably isn't a mafia roleblocker, I'm for a mass claim, there's still possibility we can uncover the last bits of info missing to solve this, but I think Ice or Ani should decide the claiming order. (preferably starting with themselves.)

I agree totally, I think its about time. I would be happy to claim in any order, but I would like to hear espcially from ice about the night situation.

[icedagger]

Vote Nick nothing has changed since yesterday and I still think he could well be scum

My stance on mass claiming remains the same (i.e it only benefits scum..)

[pmchugh]

Vote Nick nothing has changed since yesterday and I still think he could well be scum

My stance on mass claiming remains the same (i.e it only benefits scum..)

How so? I think it benifts everyone to have more information and since they don't seem capable of killing (atm anyway) then I say we mass claim. At the least I would like you to explain the lightning rod thing further, do you believe you are the cause of the locked house and more specifically the cause of no-one having successful actions?

[icedagger]

Yes I am the locked house.

No, since the doc died, I don't think I'm the reason for the lack of NKs. I don't know what you mean about no one having successful actions, obviously they will all be attracted to me.

Lack of night kills up to last night is pretty obvious.. doc + lightning rod immunity, then ace protects himself, then mafia don't send a kill cos of MM's weird threat. Last night is more strange though.. but finding an overarching theory for every night is kinda pointless when they're already explained up to last night.

Vote pmc your argument doesn't even begin to make any sense (how will lynching me get the game going?)

This still stands, and last night is another one we can't take into account since MM prevented actions.

It mainly benefits scum to have more information out there.. it's too easy for mafia to fake claim in a game like this, so all we'd be doing is outing our power roles.

[pmchugh]

Yes I am the locked house.

No, since the doc died, I don't think I'm the reason for the lack of NKs. I don't know what you mean about no one having successful actions, obviously they will all be attracted to me.

Lack of night kills up to last night is pretty obvious.. doc + lightning rod immunity, then ace protects himself, then mafia don't send a kill cos of MM's weird threat. Last night is more strange though.. but finding an overarching theory for every night is kinda pointless when they're already explained up to last night.

Vote pmc your argument doesn't even begin to make any sense (how will lynching me get the game going?)

This still stands, and last night is another one we can't take into account since MM prevented actions.

It mainly benefits scum to have more information out there.. it's too easy for mafia to fake claim in a game like this, so all we'd be doing is outing our power roles.

I understand more now wish Id read that before, I don't understand why my role didn't take effect if what you are saying is true.

Im going to claim, you lot don't have to but I think im pretty suspicous in this game anyway. I could just go along with the crowd and vote nick but I want to understand more first.

I am a Watcher, two nights ago was the first and only time I had an action. But if what you are saying is true then I should have been sent a pm by MM with everyones name as my action would have been directed at you and everyone would have visited your house.

As I didn't then either I must have been blocked or MM forgot to pm me or well thats all I can think of. Also the fact their was no death that night is strange, if their was no doc then there should have been a kill. It doesn't fit, why would neither my action or the killers action not have taken place that night, your doctor/lightning rod theory doesnt hold up for that night.

Can anyone confirm or deny that they had a successful action two nights ago, regardless of what it was?

[animorpherv1]

I'm not sure what quite to do at thid point.

We've lost more town than scum, so were closer to Lylo than Winning.

Are we at lylo? I doubt it, but I think were close, so today, I don't think massclaim is a good idea.

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Come now, if we were winning claiming would benefit scum, but on the other hand, we are one lynch and one night away from being endgamed, we have no way to prevent this except not lynching, which doesn't help at all, if there is even a slight chance of catching scum through counterclaim, I believe claims are worth it.
But we need to do this in order to have a chance at results.

[icedagger]

Yes I am the locked house.

No, since the doc died, I don't think I'm the reason for the lack of NKs. I don't know what you mean about no one having successful actions, obviously they will all be attracted to me.

Lack of night kills up to last night is pretty obvious.. doc + lightning rod immunity, then ace protects himself, then mafia don't send a kill cos of MM's weird threat. Last night is more strange though.. but finding an overarching theory for every night is kinda pointless when they're already explained up to last night.

Vote pmc your argument doesn't even begin to make any sense (how will lynching me get the game going?)

This still stands, and last night is another one we can't take into account since MM prevented actions.

It mainly benefits scum to have more information out there.. it's too easy for mafia to fake claim in a game like this, so all we'd be doing is outing our power roles.

I understand more now wish Id read that before, I don't understand why my role didn't take effect if what you are saying is true.

Im going to claim, you lot don't have to but I think im pretty suspicous in this game anyway. I could just go along with the crowd and vote nick but I want to understand more first.

I am a Watcher, two nights ago was the first and only time I had an action. But if what you are saying is true then I should have been sent a pm by MM with everyones name as my action would have been directed at you and everyone would have visited your house.

As I didn't then either I must have been blocked or MM forgot to pm me or well thats all I can think of. Also the fact their was no death that night is strange, if their was no doc then there should have been a kill. It doesn't fit, why would neither my action or the killers action not have taken place that night, your doctor/lightning rod theory doesnt hold up for that night.

Can anyone confirm or deny that they had a successful action two nights ago, regardless of what it was?

What? I don't have a doctor/lightning rod theory for that night, since the doc was already dead...

It does however fit with my actual theory that scum were inactive that night. It would suggest we have no other roles with an active action though.. so thanks for the completely neccesary claim

[pmchugh]

What? I don't have a doctor/lightning rod theory for that night, since the doc was already dead...

It does however fit with my actual theory that scum were inactive that night. It would suggest we have no other roles with an active action though.. so thanks for the completely neccesary claim

I know Im confirming that that night doesn't make sense, so your theory doesn't really hold.

Hey I think we should mass claim, I don't see what im losing claiming here sure the mafia now know but they can't do anything except kill me which they may have done anyway.

If scum were inactive then how about dunc? Sometimes I forget hes in this game. Still that doesn't explain why my role didn't seem to work.

I think we should mass claim with dunc going first followed by nick.

[icedagger]

What? I don't have a doctor/lightning rod theory for that night, since the doc was already dead...

It does however fit with my actual theory that scum were inactive that night. It would suggest we have no other roles with an active action though.. so thanks for the completely neccesary claim

I know Im confirming that that night doesn't make sense, so your theory doesn't really hold.

Hey I think we should mass claim, I don't see what im losing claiming here sure the mafia now know but they can't do anything except kill me which they may have done anyway.

If scum were inactive then how about dunc? Sometimes I forget hes in this game. Still that doesn't explain why my role didn't seem to work.

I think we should mass claim with dunc going first followed by nick.

Maybe you only get a PM if your target was visited by someone? Either that or something strange is going on.. (or you are lying of course )

It is fairly obvious what we lose in a mass claim (and just lost by you claiming for no reason). The mafia can choose the power roles to kill off (yes they might have killed you anyway.. but hey guess what they might not have!) and I still don't see how we will distinguish fake claims

[pmchugh]

What? I don't have a doctor/lightning rod theory for that night, since the doc was already dead...

It does however fit with my actual theory that scum were inactive that night. It would suggest we have no other roles with an active action though.. so thanks for the completely neccesary claim

I know Im confirming that that night doesn't make sense, so your theory doesn't really hold.

Hey I think we should mass claim, I don't see what im losing claiming here sure the mafia now know but they can't do anything except kill me which they may have done anyway.

If scum were inactive then how about dunc? Sometimes I forget hes in this game. Still that doesn't explain why my role didn't seem to work.

I think we should mass claim with dunc going first followed by nick.

Maybe you only get a PM if your target was visited by someone? Either that or something strange is going on.. (or you are lying of course )

It is fairly obvious what we lose in a mass claim (and just lost by you claiming for no reason). The mafia can choose the power roles to kill off (yes they might have killed you anyway.. but hey guess what they might not have!) and I still don't see how we will distinguish fake claims

I think I will drop MM a pm to ask about my role.

We are so close to the end I doubt it matters who the mafia pick off we will lose unless we pick a correct lynch soon. Plus people make mistakes while fake claiming and if there are two mafia left we may get lucky.

[icedagger]

Thinking it through a mass claim probably is the only path to go down at this point.

With 6 alive, if there are two scum we're lylo, and if there's one pmc will find him tonight. (Assuming he is being honest)

I'll wait for MM's reply to pmc first though