AFC Mafia Game TOWN WINS!

by **spiesr** on Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:51 pm

So do you guys think we should just get rid of eddie now and save us is complete uselessness later on?

by **Its Bolt** on Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:16 pm

spiesr wrote:So do you guys think we should just get rid of eddie now and save us is complete uselessness later on?

I like a Thezz lynch a little more still because he actually has been scummy. Someone like Eddie is more of a policy vig type player if this is how he normally plays, either that or policy lynch which I think we have passed the stage to qualify for.

by **Eddie35** on Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:53 pm

i have been useless in the past, but i wont be this time

by **spiesr** on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:12 am

Okay eddie, then join us in moving slightly past the completely random vote stage and me us who you think is scummy.

by **derfderf34** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:20 pm

post baby post; baby gotta live

by **Its Bolt** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:08 pm

More waiting for people to wise up and vote Thezz or otherwise contribute. This is turning into a two way coversation pretty quickly which for D1 isnt good at all.

by **Thezzaruz** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:17 pm

Its Bolt wrote:I like a Thezz lynch a little more still because he actually has been scummy.

I've acted scummy??? By retracting a joke vote at a time of random voting?

by / on Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:48 pm

Vote Its Bolt, the need to follow such strict subtleties makes me too nervous to contribute correctly.

by **spiesr** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:46 pm

Deadline?

by **Its Bolt** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:10 pm

Thezzaruz wrote:
Its Bolt wrote:I like a Thezz lynch a little more still because he actually has been scummy.

I've acted scummy??? By retracting a joke vote at a time of random voting?

By trying to get others to scumhunt for you. When you took off your random vote, it tends to be followed by acknowlagement that the random stage has ended and a vote based on something that is viewed as scummy. In your case it just came off and you looked for someone else to lead you in the direction of something scummy and maybe a lynch. This is scummy given that when you follow others, they tend to be the ones who take the blame for mislynches or anything else of that nature because they were the ones presenting the case and trying to get the player lynched.

Not scumhunting in its own is also a scumtell, removed from the random stage. By not scumhunting you dont get anyone mislynched and never have to take any solid stances that can come back to bit you later. Its a fence-sitting stance to its utmost, when you cant decide enough on anything to actually make a case.

@/ - Eh? I dont get the "strict subtleties". I am getting on Thezz for not scumhunting and expecting others to do it for him.

by **spiesr** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:17 pm

At the risk of sounding like I am having someone else doing my scum hunting for me I will say bolt has a point, unvote vote thezzzz

by / on Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:26 pm

I may have misunderstood, I thought you were voting because thezz was noted as unvoting, (which is normal in any game...) I'll re-read later.

by **Thezzaruz** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:25 am

Its Bolt wrote:By trying to get others to scumhunt for you. When you took off your random vote, it tends to be followed by acknowlagement that the random stage has ended and a vote based on something that is viewed as scummy. In your case it just came off and you looked for someone else to lead you in the direction of something scummy and maybe a lynch. This is scummy given that when you follow others, they tend to be the ones who take the blame for mislynches or anything else of that nature because they were the ones presenting the case and trying to get the player lynched.

Not scumhunting in its own is also a scumtell, removed from the random stage. By not scumhunting you dont get anyone mislynched and never have to take any solid stances that can come back to bit you later. Its a fence-sitting stance to its utmost, when you cant decide enough on anything to actually make a case.

I was about to write a long response but it's just no use when there is no real point to defend yourself against. The simple fact is that you accuse me of unvoting and the rest is just smoke trying to cover that up...

by **sheepofdumb** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:26 am

Bolt has a point, but

Its Bolt wrote:Not scumhunting in its own is also a scumtell, removed from the random stage. By not scumhunting you dont get anyone mislynched and never have to take any solid stances that can come back to bit you later. Its a fence-sitting stance to its utmost, when you cant decide enough on anything to actually make a case.

It seems to me almost anyway you play you give off scumtells. You have to be the first to vote or have a lengthy explanation behind your vote not to be seen scummy by Bolt.

by **derfderf34** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:24 am

sheepofdumb wrote:Bolt has a point, but

Its Bolt wrote:Not scumhunting in its own is also a scumtell, removed from the random stage. By not scumhunting you dont get anyone mislynched and never have to take any solid stances that can come back to bit you later. Its a fence-sitting stance to its utmost, when you cant decide enough on anything to actually make a case.

It seems to me almost anyway you play you give off scumtells. You have to be the first to vote or have a lengthy explanation behind your vote not to be seen scummy by Bolt.

I wonder if he sees himself as scummy sometimes tehn?

by **Thezzaruz** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:48 am

sheepofdumb wrote:It seems to me almost anyway you play you give off scumtells. You have to be the first to vote or have a lengthy explanation behind your vote not to be seen scummy by Bolt.

Don't forget that even with the lengthy explanation you still need to random vote...

by **baggins994** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:50 am

/ wrote:I may have misunderstood, I thought you were voting because thezz was noted as unvoting, (which is normal in any game...) I'll re-read later.

idk about everyone else, but i voted for him because thrice i saw him make the second vote on someone right after someone else made the first vote. (i hope that made sense) i noted it as: "somewhat bandwagonee"

by **spiesr** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:51 am

So you think we should lynch its bolt or what?

by **spiesr** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:06 pm

Looks like we need a replacement.

cena-rules wrote:Please replace me. I'm not gonna be able to be active for the foreseeable future.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

by **sheepofdumb** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:10 pm

baggins994 wrote:
/ wrote:I may have misunderstood, I thought you were voting because thezz was noted as unvoting, (which is normal in any game...) I'll re-read later.

idk about everyone else, but i voted for him because thrice i saw him make the second vote on someone right after someone else made the first vote. (i hope that made sense) i noted it as: "somewhat bandwagonee"

Well some people are sheep and others wolves.

I made a funny.

by / on Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:08 pm

Alright I've re-read, let's see here....

Thezzaruz wrote:
cena-rules wrote:Me Day Cop
Him Scum

You funny, me Vote cena-rules...

This is the vote in question this is the first vote Thezz made in the game, it was the only vote cena has received so far, it is impossible to consider this a bandwagon, Thezz very quickly unvotes.

Thezzaruz wrote:Might as well UnVote, anyone have any leads?

I see, thezz did ask for some ideas, I don't think that is scummy, but I do agree, there was no need to unvote, but it doesn't explicitly hurt town either. I find it slightly suspect, but not quite a scum tell.
After this Thezzaruz made no votes until the following line of votes.

sheepofdumb wrote:Unvote vote Its bolt for arguing.

spiesr wrote:Unvote vote sheep
This game needs more arguing not less...

Thezzaruz wrote:I could agree with that, Vote sheepofdumb.

This really isn't much in the random vote stage, I notice some confusion in numbers, LSU and Baggins in particular aren't counting correctly, which I assume to be part of a PR.

by **Its Bolt** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:36 pm

sheepofdumb wrote:Bolt has a point, but

Its Bolt wrote:Not scumhunting in its own is also a scumtell, removed from the random stage. By not scumhunting you dont get anyone mislynched and never have to take any solid stances that can come back to bit you later. Its a fence-sitting stance to its utmost, when you cant decide enough on anything to actually make a case.

It seems to me almost anyway you play you give off scumtells. You have to be the first to vote or have a lengthy explanation behind your vote not to be seen scummy by Bolt.

I play much more regularly on mafiascum, where my style of play is more normal for what is there. I am not even considered a very aggressive player there. Yes everything can be streached into a scumtell if you make it, but what you have to eventually learn to do is determine what is and what isnt a scumtell through experiance and how people react to votes. Thezz even when I am pressuring him on something is just kicking back and for the most part launching an OMGUS attack on me for suspecting him.

I actually am not even sure that Thezz knows why I am voting him at this point given his last few posts. The fact remains that Thezz is doing nothing to help the town at this point, and instead has just taken up bitching at me as a hobby. I am nearly ready at this point to flat out say if Thezz is town you can just lynch me tomorrow given how sure I am over this. He has hit almost every single newbie scum tell in the book, and shows no sign of wanting to help the town

SOD also seems to be missing the difference between what Thezz did and what others have been doing. Making a random vote is fine, its a part of the game and a spot for discussion to eventually start. Thezz hasnt tried to expand the game beyond the random stage though, and is looking for someone to hold is hand and guide him out of it. If town Thezz thought the random stage was over, it means that he saw or thought something was scummy enough to end it. Given his reaction to thinking the random stage had ended, I dont think we are dealing with town-Thezz.

by **spiesr** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:20 pm

Well, that seems to be the most interesting point to follow at this point...

by **baggins994** on Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:29 pm

After this Thezzaruz made no votes until the following line of votes.

sheepofdumb wrote:Unvote vote Its bolt for arguing.

spiesr wrote:Unvote vote sheep
This game needs more arguing not less...

Thezzaruz wrote:I could agree with that, Vote sheepofdumb.

This really isn't much in the random vote stage, I notice some confusion in numbers, LSU and Baggins in particular aren't counting correctly, which I assume to be part of a PR.[/quote]

You're probably right, I may have counted wrong, but those three posts are the exact ones that made me say "somewhat bandwagonee"

by / on Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:47 pm

Well, since day is dragging a bit, Unvote, vote Thezzaruz, Even if what has been done doesn't look too scummy to me, at the very least we have a nice bit of evidence for tomorrow.
I just hope Bolt isn't a lyncher.

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