Icepeak mafia [Town wins!]

[sam_levi_11]

Finally, FOS sam_levi_11 for reacting to a town death. That's a scumtell.

Care to respond to this sam_levi_11?

Theres nothing much to respond to, i just said wankbag, that it.

Also this suspision of ace is stupid, he always votes for no reason, it doesnt make him scum.

Okay so drake and switch both claimed wolfsbane right, well switch hinted. Then we have to test one of them out somehow.

btw with it being christmas time/ new years i wont be on much but ill try

[spiesr]

switch did not claim or (in my opinion) hint at being wolfsbane.

[Natewolfman]

Apparently thats all he said, not much. He bandwaggoned a little and didn't explain his votes which never helps but nothing that is particularly scummy more like typical ace play.

p.s Nate you got anything to say to SL's comments:

My main suspect currently:

Natewolfman- Gut feeling, he was mainly quite but something struck me as off about him, hes been almost too quite just trying to blend in. Also the way he merely unvoted with an approaching deadline was suspicious a no lynch benifits scum.

Your suspicion on Natewolfman is more interesting. I read back to see what he posted yesterday; that cost about 5 seconds. His unvote, apparently without any intention of reaching a lynch or even stating his current suspicions (which is something most people would want to get out before night, in case they die), is scummy indeed.

:roll: thats a reach, I never talk much on day 1 of anything (look at the other games im in) I mostly just vote and unvote, dont look to deep into it but now that we have had a death, things are actually discussable

People who always act scummy (even on purpose) deserve to be lynched for it. This is the same argument pmchugh tried to use just now to explain ace's day 1 behaviour, and it's not an acceptable excuse.

anyways if you wana know i unvoted because i had voted for drake (I think?) and it was a random vote, he had like 2 others after me so i took it off since i didnt want to accidently aid in that lynch, simple as that, however I didnt have sufficient evidence to condem ani either, so take that as you may

You will never have evidence on anyone on Day 1 of any game. What you need is suspicions, nothing more. How does ani come into this? I find it hard to believe you suspected him, because you never mentioned him before this post. You said yourself that the game is "actually discussable" now, so please go ahead and start discussing. Who do you think is most likely scum? And second-likely? And why?

Finally, FOS sam_levi_11 for reacting to a town death. That's a scumtell.

Dont know quite what to make of all this then, honestly, i was unaware that a time limit was set, i was waiting on some more info to see who i wanted to vote for, hence my straight unvote. Truth be told i was paying that close of attention as to who would even be a good candidate on day 1 unless something really pops out as strange i like to see whare things can go. As i said before, i simply removed my early random vote, i hadnt been paying as close attention as i should have to vote for someone else, nor did i even realize we had a time limit lol, Wasnt until day 2 started that i even realized we didnt have a lynch I dont know what else needs explaining, but simply ask, and i shal answer *bows*

[pmchugh]

Finally, FOS sam_levi_11 for reacting to a town death. That's a scumtell.

Care to respond to this sam_levi_11?

Theres nothing much to respond to, i just said wankbag, that it.

Also this suspision of ace is stupid, he always votes for no reason, it doesnt make him scum.

Okay so drake and switch both claimed wolfsbane right, well switch hinted. Then we have to test one of them out somehow.

btw with it being christmas time/ new years i wont be on much but ill try

Yeah so anyone who is a werewolf tell us who you kill so we can test the drake/switch thing.

What I tried to hint at earlier is that switch could be wolfsbane and drake could be bulletproof (mafia can't kill him). This would have been a good move from drake to say it the other way around as its likely werewolf wouldnt try to kill him and mafia would, which could explain why there was only one kill.

:-k Dont know quite what to make of all this then, honestly, i was unaware that a time limit was set, i was waiting on some more info to see who i wanted to vote for, hence my straight unvote. Truth be told i was paying that close of attention as to who would even be a good candidate on day 1 unless something really pops out as strange i like to see whare things can go. As i said before, i simply removed my early random vote, i hadnt been paying as close attention as i should have to vote for someone else, nor did i even realize we had a time limit lol, Wasnt until day 2 started that i even realized we didnt have a lynch I dont know what else needs explaining, but simply ask, and i shal answer *bows*

A bit too much laughing if you ask me, someone sounds nervous . This doesnt sit right with me, how can you possibly have a suspect if you arent reading enough info to know that a lynch was needed quickly? I count at least 8 posts in which the deadline is spoken of. In the post right before yours is "time is running out". Either your not paying any attention to the game or your lying, either way your not helping the town.

Your story doesn't sit right with me, unvote vote nate

MOD- I think we need a few prods.

[Natewolfman]

A bit too much laughing if you ask me, someone sounds nervous . This doesnt sit right with me, how can you possibly have a suspect if you arent reading enough info to know that a lynch was needed quickly? I count at least 8 posts in which the deadline is spoken of. In the post right before yours is "time is running out". Either your not paying any attention to the game or your lying, either way your not helping the town.

Your story doesn't sit right with me, unvote vote nate

MOD- I think we need a few prods.

dosnt sit right You wanted the truth and i told you, would you have perfered that i lied and said something along the lines of i duno, i didnt vote because im some special role that is not allowed to be part of the popular vote or something? in my experience (which granted is thus far not extensive) Truth will get us closer to finding the mafia. Besides if i was that or werewolf, would i want to get someone lynched in day 1? wouldnt it have benefied me? I dont know how it would help us townies if you attempt to lynch those who are obviously not so concerned about killing the innocent
vote pmc
for that final reason... something just dosnt feel right, I dont think your mafia, but perhaps that werewolf role, gut feeling.

as for mod - yes we do need to prod some players

[Stroop]

MOD- I think we need a few prods.

Give people a break, it's Christmas

Prods will go out in ~24 hours, to at least everyone who hasn't posted since the start of Day 2.

Carry on.

[spiesr]

I side with pmc this time.
Vote Natewolfman

[pmchugh]

dosnt sit right

I dont know how it would help us townies if you attempt to lynch those who are obviously not so concerned about killing the innocent
vote pmc
for that final reason... something just dosnt feel right,

lmao you start your post by rolling your eyes and me saying something doesn't sit right and end it by voting for me saying "something just doesnt feel right". And "gut feeling" that im a werewolf.

I dont think your mafia, but perhaps that werewolf role, gut feeling.

Perhaps because your mafia and therefore know that I am not?

You wanted the truth and i told you, would you have perfered that i lied and said something along the lines of i duno, i didnt vote because im some special role that is not allowed to be part of the popular vote or something?

Well if that is the truth then you need to pay more attention, I find it hard to believe though.

Besides if i was that or werewolf, would i want to get someone lynched in day 1? wouldnt it have benefied me?

Yes because if no one is lynched day 1 the mafia get a kill and the town gain no fully confimed information from day 1, besides the role of those who died and they are chosen by the scum. No lynch nearly always benifits mafia.

This post reeks of OMGUS, what exactly points do you have agianst me? That I suspect you and thats about it. My vote stands.

[Nickbaldwin]

Gotta agree with pmc, nate has nothing against him.

vote nate

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Animo explain yourself on why you had no vote last day at the end of the week. Nate you are definitely sounding very suspicious with the oh my gosh you suck return vote on pmc although both of you do have some halfway decent arguments.

[Natewolfman]

I dont vote for pmc because he voted for me, im voting because of how quickly he is to jump on and hammer and hammer to divert attention, the last 2 games ive been in when a player did that he ended up being scum, and the fact that im attempting to defend myself and give calm rational views and your post seems to be all over the place and (in my mind) yelling, casts a heavy suspicion on you. now i say you dont feel like mafia because you have noone backing you up, so logically you would be a lone role AKA the werewolf.

I also would like to FOS spiesr from what ive seen he is an experienced player, and just to say 'i agree, vote' is quite a bit less then ive come to suspect of him, though im not changing my vote, im not very experienced granted but you can take that bit of info and do with it as you may

[pmchugh]

I dont vote for pmc because he voted for me, im voting because of how quickly he is to jump on and hammer and hammer to divert attention, the last 2 games ive been in when a player did that he ended up being scum, and the fact that im attempting to defend myself and give calm rational views and your post seems to be all over the place and (in my mind) yelling, casts a heavy suspicion on you. now i say you dont feel like mafia because you have noone backing you up, so logically you would be a lone role AKA the werewolf.

I also would like to FOS spiesr from what ive seen he is an experienced player, and just to say 'i agree, vote' is quite a bit less then ive come to suspect of him, though im not changing my vote, im not very experienced granted but you can take that bit of info and do with it as you may

First off im not FREAKING YELLING! Ok got that bitch? Seriously you are saying that the reason your voting me is because I'm applying a lot of pressure, but thats how you catch scum, if you simply ask politely if someone is scum you arent going to get much reaction.

to jump on and hammer and hammer to divert attention

What exactly am I meant to be trying to divert attention from?

im attempting to defend myself and give calm rational views and your post seems to be all over the place and (in my mind) yelling, casts a heavy suspicion on you

If my posts are all over the place its because I can't structure shit, its my style of play it does not make me scum.

now i say you dont feel like mafia because you have noone backing you up, so logically you would be a lone role AKA the werewolf.

This doesnt make sense, quite a few people have agreed with me and scum don't always stick together it creates too much suspicsion. And whats to say their isnt more than one werewolf in fact I'm pretty sure there is:

Every day, starting today, they would get together and kill someone who they thought to be a werewolf, or a member of the international crime syndicate. They could only hope that their combined efforts would be enough to get the mafia and werewolves, before it's too late.

werewolves plural.

[Natewolfman]

hmm... i didnt notice the plural werewolves (gah again me not paying attention >.<), but whos to say they know each other? its possible that they sent messages to multiple wolves without revealing each others identity (thats just a random thought though, its far more likelly that they know each other)

[spiesr]

I dont vote for pmc because he voted for me, im voting because of how quickly he is to jump on and hammer and hammer to divert attention

Nobody has hammered in this game so far as there was no lynch day 1..

[dunc_2007]

Sorry for my inactivity, I've been busy with Christmas. I'll reread and offer my opinion later today.

[dunc_2007]

Well, after rereading, I think the case against nate is pretty weak. It began with pmc's "gut feeling". SL did present a bit of interesting information, I'll say that much. But soon it became pmc accusing nate of voting based on a gut feeling, which he himself did not long ago. Not enough evidence against either of them, in my opinion.

[Natewolfman]

I dont vote for pmc because he voted for me, im voting because of how quickly he is to jump on and hammer and hammer to divert attention

Nobody has hammered in this game so far as there was no lynch day 1..

lol misuse of terms... i ment his agressivness tword me, not an actual final vote hammer

[Sierra_Leon]

Drake & everyone else: please never ever try to direct a doc, vig, cop, or any other power role. It's safe to assume the people playing those roles have a mind of their own and can come to these conclusions themselves. Trying to manipulate their actions is something scum would tend to do and I consider it a scumtell.

I disagree with this. If you are a townie power role who has claimed what is wrong with asking the doc to protect you. Even if the doc doesn't protect you the mafia are unlikely to target you in case he has, yes scum could use this against you but their is nothing wrong with town doing it either IMO.

It's much more interesting for scum to direct the doc to them so their night-kill won't be blocked, or to direct the cop away from them so they won't be found out, than it is for a town role to do this. In my opinion, a powerrole should ignore any advice given in-thread and make up his own mind. But I can see we'll have to agree to disagree.

Maybe i voted for Drake because i am a werewolf...

Says something worthless. Pathetic attempt at a joke?

Not worthless, but scummy. That's a big difference. Anyway, seeing as I have never seen switchblade play before this game and he didn't exactly appear to be the most knowledgable person, I'm willing to accept that he was just acting foolish - no matter if he was town or scum - and let spiesr start with a clean slate. Ace is more experienced than switch, so I'm far from over my suspicions on pmchugh.

Finally, FOS sam_levi_11 for reacting to a town death. That's a scumtell.

Care to respond to this sam_levi_11?

Theres nothing much to respond to, i just said wankbag, that it.

Also this suspision of ace is stupid, he always votes for no reason, it doesnt make him scum.

Okay so drake and switch both claimed wolfsbane right, well switch hinted. Then we have to test one of them out somehow.

btw with it being christmas time/ new years i wont be on much but ill try

OMG after all the times I've explained how ace's stupidity does not clear him of anything, you still bring up this argument. Then you suggent it's a good idea to lynch a claimed bulletproof-like role because of a hint that I don't see, but you leave that idea on the table for someone else to pursue. Possibly because you don't want to get your own hands dirty? SFOS sam_levi.

Dont know quite what to make of all this then, honestly, i was unaware that a time limit was set, i was waiting on some more info to see who i wanted to vote for, hence my straight unvote. Truth be told i was paying that close of attention as to who would even be a good candidate on day 1 unless something really pops out as strange i like to see whare things can go. As i said before, i simply removed my early random vote, i hadnt been paying as close attention as i should have to vote for someone else, nor did i even realize we had a time limit lol, Wasnt until day 2 started that i even realized we didnt have a lynch I dont know what else needs explaining, but simply ask, and i shal answer *bows*

Translation: "Hi I didn't read the game lol!"

A bit too much laughing if you ask me, someone sounds nervous . This doesnt sit right with me, how can you possibly have a suspect if you arent reading enough info to know that a lynch was needed quickly? I count at least 8 posts in which the deadline is spoken of. In the post right before yours is "time is running out". Either your not paying any attention to the game or your lying, either way your not helping the town.

Your story doesn't sit right with me, unvote vote nate

Voting someone because he uses lol-smilies seems a bit farfetched. You can't detect nervousness over the internet, so don't use it as a scumtell. The not-helping argument is very valid of course, but if you're calling Natewolfman out for it, why not animorpherv1, sam_levi_11, cena-rules or mr. incrediball too?

dosnt sit right You wanted the truth and i told you, would you have perfered that i lied and said something along the lines of i duno, i didnt vote because im some special role that is not allowed to be part of the popular vote or something? in my experience (which granted is thus far not extensive) Truth will get us closer to finding the mafia. Besides if i was that or werewolf, would i want to get someone lynched in day 1? wouldnt it have benefied me? I dont know how it would help us townies if you attempt to lynch those who are obviously not so concerned about killing the innocent
vote pmc
for that final reason... something just dosnt feel right, I dont think your mafia, but perhaps that werewolf role, gut feeling.

This is as OMGUS as posts get. FOS Natewolfman.

I side with pmc this time.
Vote Natewolfman

Hello bandwagonvote. Please explain what part of pmc's posts you agreed with and what made you vote Natewolfman exactly.

Same goes for this post:

Gotta agree with pmc, nate has nothing against him.

vote nate

I dont think your mafia, but perhaps that werewolf role, gut feeling.

Perhaps because your mafia and therefore know that I am not?

This is provocation. I'm not sure if that's a scumtell.

I dont vote for pmc because he voted for me, im voting because of how quickly he is to jump on and hammer and hammer to divert attention, the last 2 games ive been in when a player did that he ended up being scum, and the fact that im attempting to defend myself and give calm rational views and your post seems to be all over the place and (in my mind) yelling, casts a heavy suspicion on you. now i say you dont feel like mafia because you have noone backing you up, so logically you would be a lone role AKA the werewolf.

I can't make heads or tails of this post.

to jump on and hammer and hammer to divert attention

What exactly am I meant to be trying to divert attention from?

This is a good question. Notice how it was ignored by Natewolfman.

hmm... i didnt notice the plural werewolves (gah again me not paying attention >.<), but whos to say they know each other? its possible that they sent messages to multiple wolves without revealing each others identity (thats just a random thought though, its far more likelly that they know each other)

Is this a newbie-post or someone-pretending-to-be-a-newbie-post? Either way, this is pointless speculation.

Well, after rereading, I think the case against nate is pretty weak. It began with pmc's "gut feeling". SL did present a bit of interesting information, I'll say that much. But soon it became pmc accusing nate of voting based on a gut feeling, which he himself did not long ago. Not enough evidence against either of them, in my opinion.

So who do you think is most likely scum at the moment?

I'm going to hold my vote until everyone has responded. For the people who are too damn lazy to read long posts:

TODO-list:
2. drake_259 - needs to post more.
3. animorpherv1 - needs to be replaced.
4. Natewolfman - needs to answer to that question by pmc he ignored.
5. sam_levi_11 - needs to explain his last post.
7. pmchugh (Replaces ace1217 Night 1) - you're good for now, but I'm keeping my eye on you.
8. cena-rules - needs to be replaced.
9. spiesr (Replaces switchblade Night 1) - needs to explain his vote on natewolfman.
10. mr. incrediball - needs to be replaced.
11. dunc_2007 - needs to state his suspicions.
12. LSU Tiger Josh - you're good.
13. Nickbaldwin - needs to explain his vote on natewolfman.

[Nickbaldwin]

I'm voting Nate because, despite little evidence against him to begin with, he is defending himself rather fiercely, as if he doesn't want to be outed as scum. And as you said, he didn't read the game, was this because he forgot, or because he wants to appear innocent when presented with previous events. I would go with the latter, in combination with his fierce defence.

[spiesr]

Please explain what part of pmc's posts you agreed with and what made you vote Natewolfman exactly.

The part where pmc called nate on how it was almost impossible for him to not realize the deadline and nate then ignoring it.

[dunc_2007]

Vote Animo explain yourself on why you had no vote last day at the end of the week. Nate you are definitely sounding very suspicious with the oh my gosh you suck return vote on pmc although both of you do have some halfway decent arguments.

You do realize that ani hasn't posted in about 8 pages now, right? It seems like you're avoiding offering any input on the main discussion by voting an obvious inactive instead. FOS LSU.

TODO-list:
2. drake_259 - needs to post more.

Drake has stated elsewhere that he won't be around until new year's, so we won't hear from him for a while.

[pmchugh]

TODO-list:
7. pmchugh (Replaces ace1217 Night 1) - you're good for now, but I'm keeping my eye on you.

I will answer anyway.

It's much more interesting for scum to direct the doc to them so their night-kill won't be blocked, or to direct the cop away from them so they won't be found out, than it is for a town role to do this. In my opinion, a powerrole should ignore any advice given in-thread and make up his own mind. But I can see we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yeah the powerrole can completely disregard it but its still useful for a townie to use this as the scum may asume that they will protected so they will not kill them. Then if the doc protects someone else it can work as a double protection, would you take the risk as scum?

Ace is more experienced than switch, so I'm far from over my suspicions on pmchugh.

This just completely overrules your posts saying it is insignificant that he is inexperienced. You just admitted your less suspicious of speisr because switch is inexperienced. And plus ace may be more experienced but it doesnt make him a better player. Experience doesnt always =good player, just look at cena

I dont think your mafia, but perhaps that werewolf role, gut feeling.

Perhaps because your mafia and therefore know that I am not?

This is provocation. I'm not sure if that's a scumtell.

I just thought it strange that he "had a feeling" that i was werewolf in particular, how can you possibly distinguish between the two at this stage?

[spiesr]

Nate, would you care to explain how you could have possibly not noticed the deadline?
The answer I can come up with is that you were not paying attention at all...

[pmchugh]

Why havent some people replied to Sierra yet? More active people.

TODO-list:
2. drake_259 - needs to post more.
3. animorpherv1 - needs to be replaced.
4. Natewolfman - needs to answer to that question by pmc he ignored.
5. sam_levi_11 - needs to explain his last post.
8. cena-rules - needs to be replaced.
10. mr. incrediball - needs to be replaced.

[sam_levi_11]

that bit in my last post about needing to test them, it was a general statement, not aiming for a lynch, just agreeing with whoever said we need to know which is lying.