Master of Mindgames Mafia Win

by **pancakemix** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:58 pm

animorpherv1 wrote:unvote, I forget if Suika claimed or not.

Ice Climber mason.

by **animorpherv1** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:00 pm

um, I guess I'll follow you guys.

I blame you if we lose another townie.

vote: Suika

by **sheepofdumb** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:01 pm

animorpherv1 wrote:Then why'd you put it in?

Because I still want pancake dead. He's not worth the trouble though.

by **sheepofdumb** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:02 pm

animorpherv1 wrote:um, I guess I'll follow you guys.

I blame you if we lose another townie.

vote: Suika

Don't blame us. Blame Cpt. Falcon.

by **animorpherv1** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:03 pm

But I wanna blame you

by **pancakemix** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:09 pm

Sheep, if it makes you feel better, I'd blame ani.

Ani, there ARE sig size restrictions.

by **sheepofdumb** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:10 pm

That's a sig?

by **sheepofdumb** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:14 pm

sheepofdumb wrote:That's a sig?

EBWOP, I saw it in fircoals game so I thought he was posting a picture. Then I ignored it.

by **XGSuperstar** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:30 pm

Sheep forgot to bold
His intentions don't matter
Suika will be lynched

Vote Count:
PCM (1) LSU,
Suika (4) Sheep, Ga7, PCM, Ani
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

Suika didn't have a chance to explain [she wanted replacing], and so he was lynched. And he couldn't climb big mountain with Nana no more.

Suika [Popa aka Commuter Mason] has been lynched.

NIGHT 7!

Fun fact: Fox was my main in Brawl before I grew sick of the game, and he is my secondary in 64 and Melee. He is one of my favorite characters. I <3 ICs too.

by **ga7** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:32 pm

WTF?

by **fireedud** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:20 pm

frenchie, I have to say your avvy is starting to turn me on... 8-[

by **ga7** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:27 pm

LMAO

I can only advise you to watch Fate/Stay Night and leave my avi alone

by **XGSuperstar** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:28 pm

Speaking of which, since the story sounds interesting, is there a dubbed version?

And, liek, OMG, you and frenchie should TOTALLY make out. It'd be, liek, so tuuubular.

by **LSU Tiger Josh** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:42 pm

nice job idiots

by **XGSuperstar** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:19 pm

Lol, idiots is win. That move was GENIUS.

Speaking of which, the last night has ended. Have fun.

PancakeMix was waiting for Sheep's attack, with Ga7 in the shadows. Ga7 looked up to his master. If he served PCM as PCM wished, he, Dr. Phil, might be in the next Smash iteration. Even with Ga7's help, however, Pancake was afraid of Sheep's attack. He wished to make Smash how he believes it should be. He let the little people have power, he allowed them to compete, and yet, there are those wishing to defeat him. This he did not understand. First Danodukebb [Falcon], and now Sheep? He was a god, undefeatable, but for some reason, he feared Sheep. Sheep is very much the symbol of Melee, and he was unsure if he could take on Sheep's attack this time.

Sheep entered PCM's castle, ran towards PCM, and veered a right. He waveshined Animorph towards the wall, and infinite drill shined him to death. While Sheep was distracted, PCM used his vast power to finish off LSU, who was lamenting Popo's loss, and was no longer able to climb big mountain.

LSU [Nana aka Mason Commuter] has been gibbed.
Animo [Dedede aka Mafia Roleblocker] has been obliterated.

Mr.Incrediball [Mario aka Watcher Plumber and SheepOfDumb [Fox aka Nexus and unlocked Vig/Doc] have been endgamed.

Ga7 [Dr. Phil aka Mafia Doctor] and PCM [Sakurai aka Mafia Godfather] have won the game.

Mafia Win.

by **XGSuperstar** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:25 pm

I feared I overpowered the town. But even then, I'll reveal the complete rolesets before and after reduction, and night actions.

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Roles I was planning to give, and some planning in there.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Scum
Sakurai - Scum Godfather
Dedede - Scum Roleblocker, if he lives Sakurai can detain one town member. Falcon cannot be blocked
Pit - Scum archer, allows Sakurai to use his kill power during the day instead.
Dr. Phil - Scum doctor, if he lives Sakurai can protect one person from death.

Rejects Cult[2nd but less powerful mafia]
Pichu - Godfather, recruiter of specific members
Roy - Cult vig, once every 2 turns for Flare Blade
Dr. Mario - Rejects Doctor
Ganondorf - Cult/Removed in minimized game

Pikachu lyncher cult
DO WE REMOVE ONE TO ADD ANOTHER UNRECRUITABLE PRO-TOWN ROLE AND REDUCE THE CHANCES OF DISCOVERY THROUGH MASON GROUPS?
Peach - Cult Lyncher
Pokemon Trainer - Cult Lyncher

Town
Nana - Commuter Mason if other is alive.
Popo - Commuter Mason if other is alive.

Captain Falcon - Cop/gold role
Samus - Scum scanner Recruitable
Ike - Roleblocker [except on Peach/Nana/Jiggs/Samus], Town avenger Recruitable
Fox - Nexus/Superpower when Sakurai or Captain Falcon dies and it is past Day 3, night 3 as well.
Yoshi - Mad Scientist Recruitable
Zelda - Doc
Wario - Known Miller Recruitable
Mario - Plumber [unveils cloggings] Recruitable
Metaknight - Watcher?
Ness - Limited Mason Recruiter/Doctor in minimized game
Pikachu - Graverobber Copier Survivor Recruitable, no longer survivor then.

Jigglypuff - Day SK that can no longer speak in the day that she killed, must kill before lynch -3. Draws on people's faces in the night. Recruitable

EXTRA ROLES:

Scenario [Wolf's revenge]:
Falco - Mason with Fox
Wolf - Lyncher of Falco AND Fox, both must be lynched or nightkilled.

Scenario [Luigi's treachery]:
Luigi - Scum Lyncher. Trying to lynch Mario, can win with or without the scum.

Scenario [Diddy's Insanity]:
Diddy - Bomb Jestor [I have to handicap the town, most of these extra roles overpower the town].
DK - Sibling with Diddy, I'm such a bastard.

These 5 roles plus Olimar/Lucas for rebalancing create the extended game.

Normal Extra Roles:
DK/Diddy - Pro-town "Siblings" [if you want the game to be cleaner rather than Diddy's Insanity.].
Snake - Delayed Killer [kills the night afterwards]. Do NOT say C4, but say the person exploded.
Lucas - PGO OR Initial Mason and backup for Ness.
Olimar - Super inventor, can use 3 powers a night. For each he can use or pluck a Pikmin. Recruitable
ROB - Scum [Night Scene slight alteration]
Bowser - SK Recruitable
Kirby - Survivor Copier Recruitable Recruitable by one only. Survivor role altered when recruited.
Sonic -
Marth -

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Actual Roles
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Scum
Sakurai - Scum Godfather [cmckinney -> PCM]
Dedede - Scum Roleblocker, Falcon cannot be blocked [animorpherv1]
Dr. Phil - Scum doctor [borox0] [now ga7]

Rejects Cult[2nd but less powerful mafia]
Pichu - Godfather, recruiter of specific members [fireedud]
Roy - Cult vig, once every 2 turns [rbelgrod]
Dr. Mario - Rejects Doctor [dittoeevee8888]

Pikachu lyncher
DO WE REMOVE ONE TO ADD ANOTHER UNRECRUITABLE PRO-TOWN ROLE AND REDUCE THE CHANCES OF DISCOVERY THROUGH MASON GROUPS?
Peach - Lyncher [nagerous]

Town
Nana - Commuter Mason if other is alive. [LSU Tiger Josh]
Popo - Commuter Mason if other is alive. [Suika]

Captain Falcon - Cop/gold role [danodukebb]
Samus - Scum scanner Recruitable [william18]
Ike - Roleblocker [except on Peach/Nana/Jiggs/Samus], Town avenger Recruitable [Lord Voldemort]
Fox - Nexus/Superpower when Sakurai or Captain Falcon dies and it is past Day 3, night 3 as well. [sam_levi_11 -> Sheep]
Yoshi - Mad Scientist Recruitable [FloresDelMal]
Wario - Known Miller Recruitable [ga7]
Mario - Plumber [unveils cloggings], Watcher [can't find scum mates] Recruitable [mr. incrediball]
Ness - Limited Mason Recruiter/Doctor [ace1217]
Pikachu - Graverobber Copier Survivor Recruitable, no longer survivor then. [cena-rules]

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Scum Scanner
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////

The Scum Scanner was given to both the godfather and William. It gives a color code of every character in the game. Sadly, it didn't play as big a role as I hope. Here's the key, which I ignored later in the game but it might apply.

Tool: Scum Visor
This power allows someone a color coded layout of the roles in the game. Each role in the game will show as a color dot, and the number of each color will be given. This power can ONLY be used once, and has a few flaws. Although, after once, there is no more need to use it.

red - Mafia scum, miller, framed townie [due to mafia framer]
green - Townie, Mason, Mason recruiter, Beloved Princess, Priest, Actor
Blue - Doctor, Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Roleblocker
Navy Blue [or some other kind] - Insane variants of Blue.
Brown - SK, Jester, survivor, lyncher
orange - vig, PGO, Vengeful townie
yellow - any cult member

A few things can mess with the scum radar.
- Framed townies cause the scum radar to read them as scum.
- A nexus will cause his/her corresponding dot to be randomly one of the others.
- A lightning rod will make everyone green.

This power has the least amount of priority, right next to cop, and is not considered used if roleblocked or killed.

Both Sakurai and Samus have this power. Once Samus dies, if the visor hasn't been used, it will be passed on to Captain Falcon if he is still alive.

As long as Captain Falcon is alive, one of the lights will be bright Gold, and mentioned in a way to catch attention.

by **XGSuperstar** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:27 pm

Night Roles
cmckinney - Nightkill LSU.
animorpherv1 - Rolblocked Lord Voldemort.
borox0 - Protect cmckinney

fireedud -?
rbelgrod - Delay Kill -?
dittoeevee8888 - Protect rbelgrod

LSU+Suika - Commute

Danodukebb - Investigated Lord Voldemort.
William18 - Used the Cracked Visor.
Lord Voldemort - Roleblock ga7 [lovo BLOCKED!]
FloresDelMal - Eat Lord voldermort
mr. incrediball - Watch/Plumb Lord Voldemort.
ace1217 - Protect william18/ recruit Lord Voldemort [SUCCESS]

Dead: None

Scum Scan results:
5 red
3 yellow
3 blue
4 green
1 gold

Night Roles
cmckinney - Kill ga7 [success]
animorpherv1 - nothing
borox0 - Protect cmckinney

fireedud - Recruit FloresDelMal [Success]
rbelgrod - Delay kill LSU
dittoeevee8888 - Protect rbelgrod.

LSU+Suika - Nothing

Danodukebb - Investigate Ace
FloresDelMal - Eat dittoeevee8888
mr. incrediball - Watch/Plumb Ace1217
ace1217 - Recruit Flores [Failure]/Protect mr. incrediball

Mr.Incrediball saw: Danodukebb
Cult recruited FloresDelMal
Dead: Ga7
Egged: dittoeevee8888
Ga7 replaced borox0

Night Roles
cmckinney/PancakeMix - Kill none
animorpherv1 - Roleblock Ditocoaf
Ga7-2 - Protect Ace

fireedud - Recruit Danoduke
rbelgrod - Kill LSU
dittoeevee8888 - Protect Flores
FloresDelMal - Eat LSU

LSU+Suika - Commute [dodged rbelgrod's blast]

Danodukebb - Investigate william18
mr. incrediball - Watch/Plumb ditocoaf
ace1217 - Recruit Ga7/Protect mr. incrediball

Attempted to kill LSU, but failed
Recruit Failed
Roleblock useless
LSU in egg

Night Roles
cmckinney/PancakeMix - Kill Ace1217
animorpherv1 - Roleblock mr.incredible
Ga7-2 - Protect mr.incrediball

fireedud - Recruit LSU [fail]
rbelgrod - Kill
dittoeevee8888 - Protect fireedud

LSU+Suika - Nothing

Danodukebb - Investigate PancakeMix
mr. incrediball - Watch/Plumb
Ace - Recruit ...

Ace Dead
No plumbing

Night Roles
cmckinney/PancakeMix - Kill Fireedud
animorpherv1 - Roleblock Fireedud
Ga7-2 - Protect Cakes

Sheep - Kill Cakes [fail]
fireedud - Recruit Ga7 [fail]
rbelgrod - Kill Ga7 [dies the next night if the protection does not appear then].

LSU+Suika - Commute

Danodukebb - Investigate Rbelgrod [Cult delayed vig]
mr. incrediball - Watch/Plumb

Fireedud dead
Dano gets his answer
Fireedud fails to recruit.

Night Roles
cmckinney/PancakeMix - Kill William
animorpherv1 - Roleblock Suika
Ga7-2 - Protect Cakes

Sheep - Kill Cakes [fail]

LSU+Suika -

Danodukebb - Incrediball.
mr. incrediball - Watch/Plumb

Last Night
Sheep attacks Animorph
Ga7 protects PCM
PCM kills LSU

Didn't bother with anything more.

I have the Role PMs, but it might be too big...

by **sheepofdumb** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:35 pm

Damn you pancake. Well played. Totally exploiting my stupidity to win. Wolf made total sense though. Everything made sense. That was the beauty of it. I figured out animo though. That's how I got him. I think I explained my thoughts. I was a nexus, already pretty OP, but then add with my added vig/doc powers I was invulnerable to anything short of a lynch. A lyncher going after me though would hopefully stop me before I became too powerful. Wolf made sense, being the rival of fox it made sense that he'd be a lyncher. It was the voices though. I trusted the voices and as any sane person should know, never trust the voices. This never would have been possible to pull off without Cpt. Falcon though. His death allowed pancake to exploit everything. Once again, demonstrating the genius of pancake. Which is why I believe Pancake should be herald as one of the best mafia players of all time. He sees the angles in ways I haven't quite figured out, or haven't cared to figure out. I was right with all my hunches though. I thought pancake, animo, freedud or w/e were scum. Not to shabby from someone who didn't look too deep into the game.

by **XGSuperstar** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:40 pm

Fox is OP in Melee.

It wasn't Fox though, it was everything else.

But seriously, that move was GENIUS! PCM should have exploited the voices more IMO, but he picked a good time. Although I disprove of Dano's post, I thought that would kill PCM's message. But modkilling would have made things worse.

The Town was OP, I was relying on the voices to confuse the town enough for mafia to win. PCM has the same voice power. In fact, if PCM died, all that happened would be that he doesn't show in public anymore, he'd still keep all his mafia powers and communicate with the scum. I was afraid that it would overpower scum, so I beefed up the town...too much.

Next game [not yet, I really need a backup that pays attention, Fircoal I'm looking at you.

], I plan on a TF2 mafia or an emotions mafia.

by **pancakemix** on Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:05 am

It only takes a little bullcrap.

I knew everyone's role by that point just from claims, so I knew it was safe. Turns out it was an intended role, which makes it even better.

Ani, you almost gave me a heart attack back there. That was definitely the most frightening moment of my mafia career.

Nexus and unlocked Vig/Doc? WHAT!?! How do you expect to get away with that? And a recruiting mason with commuter masons? I mean, it had to work out PERFECTLY for us to win (which it did, ga7's perfect record was a nice touch

).

LOL at how MiB hasn't been on since late July. :lol:

by **ace1217** on Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:02 am

Damn we lost, oh well, wasn't expecting there to be a cult AND a mafia in a game this size. Also, why didn't you lynch ga7? And I'm surprised MIB didn't get recruited.

by **XGSuperstar** on Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:38 am

That's why only those with the blue recruitable can be recruited. Should have been 2 recruitable only [instead of 3], but I wanted to give homage to the Earthbound series, where Ness recruits 3 people to help him take down Giygas. Still should have been 2.

I liked the role commuter masons, but I gave the downside that their role fails if one dies. Still though, that's kind of overpowered. I overestimated the control the voices could have.

And about the unlocked vig/doc, it was originally going to be free, but when I gave the role activated, I double thought, and changed it so he can only use ONE a night. There was a time I was also thinking cop, but I said hell no.

The game was originally supposed to be one scum versus a town, with Sakurai able to completely control the game, but I said hell no.

And Ace, the cult and mafia should have been bigger.