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[reverend_kyle]

For the record we didnt enter wwII to stop hitler.. we entered because japan attacked us.

[jay_a2j]

For the record we didnt enter wwII to stop hitler.. we entered because japan attacked us.

Thank you Captain Obvious! (why the US entered the war was not in question)

[vtmarik]

For the record we didnt enter wwII to stop hitler.. we entered because japan attacked us.

Thank you Captain Obvious! (why the US entered the war was not in question)

You're the one who said we went into the war to take down Hitler and stop him from killing jews, which was incorrect. Plus, you're the one who brought him up in the first place.

We didn't wait for anything. He started attacking countries and slautering Jews and we took him out because of what he became.....this is like arguing killing murderers before they actually commit a murder!

Thats like asking if it would have been acceptable for Hitler to kill Jews if he used the bodies to feed starving children around the world?

You lost two pages ago Jay, anytime you compare someone to Hitler you automatically lose the argument. Just focus on your other threads and walk away.

[jay_a2j]

You're the one who said we went into the war to take down Hitler and stop him from killing jews, which was incorrect. Plus, you're the one who brought him up in the first place.

No, I NEVER said we went to war "to take him down". I said and I quote:

He started attacking countries and slautering Jews and we took him out because of what he became...

Nowhere in that quote does it say WE ENTERED THE WAR TO TAKE HIM OUT. As I am very well aware of WHY we entered WWII. You are making connections from my post that just aren't there. (Not surprised) Stick to the facts sir.

You lost two pages ago Jay, anytime you compare someone to Hitler you automatically lose the argument. Just focus on your other threads and walk away.

Yeah right. Give me a break, I lost nothing and the Hitler comment was an example of strikewolf non-logical question of .... Isn't it better to do something good with bodies after they are murdered rather then just let them go to waste.

[heavycola]

I lost nothing

You compared abortion doctors to Hitler and tried to draw a parallel between talking advantage of the current laws, such as they are, to help chronic disease sufferers, with exhuming bodies from death camps.

This is a) fairly sick, b) nonsensical and as VTMArik pointed out, c) a reductio ad hitlerum.

[MeDeFe]

No, I NEVER said we went to war "to take him down". I said and I quote:

He started attacking countries and slautering Jews and we took him out because of what he became...

Ah, so the USA went to war to take him OUT, not down... now, just explain the difference since you seem to be so keen on arguing the finer points of language use instead of the bigger issue which you're losing, and not merely from comparing people to Hitler.

[jay_a2j]

No, I NEVER said we went to war "to take him down". I said and I quote:

He started attacking countries and slautering Jews and we took him out because of what he became...

Ah, so the USA went to war to take him OUT, not down... now, just explain the difference since you seem to be so keen on arguing the finer points of language use instead of the bigger issue which you're losing, and not merely from comparing people to Hitler.

You are infering that the US ENTERED the war "TO TAKE HIM DOWN OR OUT" and that was never stated. "We took him out" PERIOD. Not we entered the war to do it. You guys are grasping at straws... just conceed. You lost. The gig is up!

[MeDeFe]

You're missing the "because" in your sentence.

[jay_a2j]

You're missing the "because" in your sentence.

"because" dose not imply "entering the war".

[heavycola]

"We took him out" PERIOD.

Actually he took himself out. But lets not allow these irritating facts to get in the way of whatever jay is spouting about today. Jay you lost this ages ago. Give it up.

[jay_a2j]

"We took him out" PERIOD.

Actually he took himself out. But lets not allow these irritating facts to get in the way of whatever jay is spouting about today. Jay you lost this ages ago. Give it up.

He would've never "took himself out" if the allies wern't closing in on Berlin. Give it up heavy, you have lost.

[heavycola]

"We took him out" PERIOD.

Actually he took himself out. But lets not allow these irritating facts to get in the way of whatever jay is spouting about today. Jay you lost this ages ago. Give it up.

He would've never "took himself out" if the allies wern't closing in on Berlin. Give it up heavy, you have lost.

Correct! he "took himself out!" I am glad you see sense, even if it is just one tiny phrase. It's a start.

It's also a massive threadjack.



SO: Bottom line:

1) abortions, rightly/wrongly, are legal.
2) stem cell research holds the most promise for sufferers of degenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinsons etc.
3) Stem cells are a byproduct of abortions

Are you with me so far?

[vtmarik]

Haha, it's funny to see Jay try to skate around Godwin's Law.

And it's also funny to see how we all lost after he compared using stem cells from aborted fetuses to "Hitler [killing] Jews if he used the bodies to feed starving children around the world?" before the whole thing about entering/not entering the war.

We "took him out" because he invaded Poland, France, and Belgium, not because of the concentration camps. They weren't discovered by American soldiers until after Normandy.

[MeDeFe]

I'll do some analysing for you jay.

"He started attacking countries and slautering Jews and we took him out because of what he became..."



"you" took him out for a reason
he could not have been taken out by "you" unless "you" had invaded

conclusion: "you" invaded for a reason


"because of what he became"

He was a loony with an inferiority complex, he became a homicidal loony with an inferiority complex in a position of power.

These character traits of his led, among other things, to him "attacking countries and slautering Jews".


I hope you see where I'm heading. If not you should start by taking logic 101

[jay_a2j]

I'll do some analising for you jay.

"He started attacking countries and slautering Jews and we took him out because of what he became..."



"you" took him out for a reason
he could not have been taken out by "you" unless "you" had invaded

conclusion: "you" invaded for a reason


"because of what he became"

He was a loony with an inferiority complex, he became a homicidal loony with an inferiority complex in a position of power.

These character traits of his led, among other things, to him "attacking countries and slautering Jews".


I hope you see where I'm heading. If not you should start by taking logic 101

lol don't you people have better things to do then inject meaning in other people's words? Yeah, we invaded for a reason.... the world was at war, Japan bombed Pear Harbor thus US participation. Germany was reeking havok in Europe and "was taken out" (forced suicide). In no way shape or form was "we invaded because Hitler was killing Jews" implied. THAT is your assumption. I hereby declair a stalemate (but secretly knows I'm right) so we can end this mind-numbing debate that arose out of the mind of those who wish to see jay_a2j cower in submission.

[MeDeFe]

I don't know about the others, but this is the only discussion in this thread that I've taken part in.

[vtmarik]

lol don't you people have better things to do then inject meaning in other people's words? Yeah, we invaded for a reason.... the world was at war, Japan bombed Pear Harbor thus US participation. Germany was reeking havok in Europe and "was taken out" (forced suicide). In no way shape or form was "we invaded because Hitler was killing Jews" implied. THAT is your assumption. I hereby declair a stalemate (but secretly knows I'm right) so we can end this mind-numbing debate that arose out of the mind of those who wish to see jay_a2j cower in submission.

You can't declare a stalemate when you already lost by comparing the use of aborted fetuses for stem cell research to using the bodies of Jews killed in the holocaust to feed the hungry.

By Godwin's law, you lose. Period.

End of line.

[heavycola]

lol don't you people have better things to do then inject meaning in other people's words? Yeah, we invaded for a reason.... the world was at war, Japan bombed Pear Harbor thus US participation. Germany was reeking havok in Europe and "was taken out" (forced suicide). In no way shape or form was "we invaded because Hitler was killing Jews" implied. THAT is your assumption. I hereby declair a stalemate (but secretly knows I'm right) so we can end this mind-numbing debate that arose out of the mind of those who wish to see jay_a2j cower in submission.

You can't declare a stalemate when you already lost by comparing the use of aborted fetuses for stem cell research to using the bodies of Jews killed in the holocaust to feed the hungry.

By Godwin's law, you lose. Period.

End of line.

[happysadfun]

Ok, look.

Fetuses are formed in the womb.
Fetuses grow, and become children.
Children grow and become adolescents.
Adolescents grow and become adults.
Adults can become great people, like Winston Churchill, FDR, or Moses.

Now let's look at another plotline.

Fetuses are formed in the womb.
Fetuses grow, and become children.
If this child is killed, everyone is outraged.

And here's another.

Fetuses are formed in the womb.
They are taken out and killed for their stem cells.
Only a few people actually care, whereas if the child is born that everyone thinks it's an outrage.


So tell me, how is it that you don't care about fetuses but do care about children?

[vtmarik]

Because Fetuses that are being used for their stem cells are usually in the first trimester and vary in length from .2 inches to 1.5 inches.

A .2-inch long, tadpole-shaped mass of goo is not a child. If we're going to legalize abortion, why are we going to put these cells to waste? Surely, if some good can come out of this 'horrible crime against God' then certainly God wouldn't mind the eventuality. God let us create medicine, so how about we use the free will and intelligence He gave us and let's save some people!

[happysadfun]

You were once a .2-inch long mass of goo. Truth does not change, although human logic does. It should be that abortion isn't legal anyway. Sex is sacred and should only happen between married people.

[MeDeFe]

And here we go again. This all seems awfully familiar...

[reverend_kyle]

Sex is sacred and should only happen between married people.

Because everyone will follow that

[jay_a2j]

Sex is sacred and should only happen between married people.

Because everyone will follow that

No, just like they won't follow:

Thou shall not kill.

Thou shall have no other Gods before me.

Honor thy mother and father.

Thou shall not covet.

Get it yet? Man can't do it. Which is why God had to make a way.

[vtmarik]

No, just like they won't follow:

Thou shall not kill.

Thou shall have no other Gods before me.

Honor thy mother and father.

Thou shall not covet.

Get it yet? Man can't do it. Which is why God had to make a way.

Unfortunately, Thou Shalt have no other Gods before me isn't a law.

And the day it becomes a law is the day I start firebombing televangelists and fundies.

And stop coveting my soul on God's behalf! It's just creepy.