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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Incandenza on Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:40 pm

Scott-Land wrote:
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qeee1 wrote:12. poo-maker 0.713

Cool! 8-)

Thanks for the update, chip.



Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


I went from an 867 to an 882, so an even smaller jump... 694 ain't too bad tho, when you figure that 40008.694=2776, making your average opponent a top 100 player.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby FabledIntegral on Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:52 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Scott-Land wrote:
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qeee1 wrote:12. poo-maker 0.713

Cool! 8-)

Thanks for the update, chip.



Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


I went from an 867 to an 882, so an even smaller jump... 694 ain't too bad tho, when you figure that 40008.694=2776, making your average opponent a top 100 player.


What math did you do? I might be misunderstanding how it works.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby chipv on Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:59 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Scott-Land wrote:
poo-maker wrote:
qeee1 wrote:12. poo-maker 0.713

Cool! 8-)

Thanks for the update, chip.



Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


I went from an 867 to an 882, so an even smaller jump... 694 ain't too bad tho, when you figure that 40008.694=2776, making your average opponent a top 100 player.


That is a small jump. Just check you have done a full rescan because very small jumps are symptomatic of rerunning the old calculation and factoring in newly finished games. If you have done a full rescan... unlucky...
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Scott-Land on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:00 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Scott-Land wrote:
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qeee1 wrote:12. poo-maker 0.713

Cool! 8-)

Thanks for the update, chip.


Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


I went from an 867 to an 882, so an even smaller jump... 694 ain't too bad tho, when you figure that 40008.694=2776, making your average opponent a top 100 player.



On the flip side, you're such an elitist :D

chipv wrote:
That is a small jump. Just check you have done a full rescan because very small jumps are symptomatic of rerunning the old calculation and factoring in newly finished games. If you have done a full rescan... unlucky...


I can't run a full scan, FF3 locks up for some reason if the player has a large game total. I think that's the total you gave me Chip.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Fruitcake on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:05 pm

I assume anyone with 4000 points on the scoreboard or more, with a relative rank of 0.6 or more means they are generally taking on front page players (2400+). Anyone with 3000 or more would require a score of 0.8 or more (2400+). Would this be correct?
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby chipv on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:07 pm

Scott-Land wrote:
Incandenza wrote:I went from an 867 to an 882, so an even smaller jump... 694 ain't too bad tho, when you figure that 40008.694=2776, making your average opponent a top 100 player.



On the flip side, you're such an elitist :D

chipv wrote:
That is a small jump. Just check you have done a full rescan because very small jumps are symptomatic of rerunning the old calculation and factoring in newly finished games. If you have done a full rescan... unlucky...


I can't run a full scan, FF3 locks up for some reason if the player has a large game total. I think that's the total you gave me Chip.


Not you. Incandenza. Just ran Incandenza at .865 so looks like it may have been a rerun after the new version.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby chipv on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:15 pm

Scott-Land wrote:
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qeee1 wrote:12. poo-maker 0.713

Cool! 8-)

Thanks for the update, chip.



Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


Firstly, you're most welcome.

Secondly... why is it interesting? (I debated for ages whether or not to repsond to this...)

Everyone's score has gone up, some by a lot... not surprising is it?
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby tracedout on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:16 pm

chip would there be any way to indicate your average score and your opponent's average score, basically the components that go into this stat? to be honest i think they'd be more valuable than the actual stat.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby chipv on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:19 pm

tracedout wrote:chip would there be any way to indicate your average score and your opponent's average score, basically the components that go into this stat? to be honest i think they'd be more valuable than the actual stat.


No, sorry. If that were possible, then I would have just presented the opponent's average score rather than the relative opponents average score.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Incandenza on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:21 pm

FabledIntegral wrote:
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Scott-Land wrote:Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


I went from an 867 to an 882, so an even smaller jump... 694 ain't too bad tho, when you figure that 40008.694=2776, making your average opponent a top 100 player.


What math did you do? I might be misunderstanding how it works.


Sorry, should have been 4000x.694=2776. I think you and Rashid have been single-handedly bumping up Scott's average opponent score. :D

Scott-Land wrote:On the flip side, you're such an elitist :D


Guilty as charged.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby tracedout on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:26 pm

chipv wrote:
tracedout wrote:chip would there be any way to indicate your average score and your opponent's average score, basically the components that go into this stat? to be honest i think they'd be more valuable than the actual stat.


No, sorry. If that were possible, then I would have just presented the opponent's average score rather than the relative opponents average score.

ok thanks anyway
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Scott-Land on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:50 pm

Incandenza wrote:
FabledIntegral wrote:
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Scott-Land wrote:Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


I went from an 867 to an 882, so an even smaller jump... 694 ain't too bad tho, when you figure that 40008.694=2776, making your average opponent a top 100 player.


What math did you do? I might be misunderstanding how it works.


Sorry, should have been 4000x.694=2776. I think you and Rashid have been single-handedly bumping up Scott's average opponent score. :D

Scott-Land wrote:On the flip side, you're such an elitist :D


Guilty as charged.


Yeah as the 'private elite' games have done the opposite........
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Incandenza on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:55 pm

chipv wrote:Not you. Incandenza. Just ran Incandenza at .865 so looks like it may have been a rerun after the new version.


That's weird. I did a full rescan (clicked off "rank and points", ran the program, clicked on "rank and points", ran it again) twice, and I still come up with .882. It has me at +1565, 319 wins out of 631, with 11 logs missing (and given that I'm currently at 2506, those eleven logs will knock off 59 points).

Scott-Land wrote:Yeah as the 'private elite' games have done the opposite........


Just wait 'till you play more RT games with George. You'll be down to Klobber level in no time!

btw, just installed CM yesterday, and holy crap. It'll take some getting used to, but I can see why people love it so (even for sequential).
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Scott-Land on Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:57 pm

chipv wrote:
Scott-Land wrote:
poo-maker wrote:
qeee1 wrote:12. poo-maker 0.713

Cool! 8-)

Thanks for the update, chip.



Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


Firstly, you're most welcome.

Secondly... why is it interesting? (I debated for ages whether or not to repsond to this...)

Everyone's score has gone up, some by a lot... not surprising is it?


Chip- I was basing my opinion mostly on Poo's rank and a handful of others, his went from 500ish to 700. I was trying to find the reason for the fluctuation- possibly the change in calculations for 1 vs 1s. It seems to be more generous.

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Just wait 'till you play more RT games with George. You'll be down to Klobber level in no time!

btw, just installed CM yesterday, and holy crap. It'll take some getting used to, but I can see why people love it so (even for sequential).


Think I've played maybe 6, the only one I won was where you *choked* * ahem* ran out of time. Just be careful when you're attacking a territory, I've made the mistake of getting overjoyed after winning 3 or 4 consecutive rolls and clicked one too many times and it auto-advances. You'll be whizzing around the speed games in no time.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby chipv on Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:43 pm

Incandenza wrote:
chipv wrote:Not you. Incandenza. Just ran Incandenza at .865 so looks like it may have been a rerun after the new version.


That's weird. I did a full rescan (clicked off "rank and points", ran the program, clicked on "rank and points", ran it again) twice, and I still come up with .882. It has me at +1565, 319 wins out of 631, with 11 logs missing (and given that I'm currently at 2506, those eleven logs will knock off 59 points).



Still getting .865 regardless... other numbers the same

You got version 1.5.1 Map Rank and are not running the BETA as well, right?
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby chipv on Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:45 pm

Scott-Land wrote:
chipv wrote:
Scott-Land wrote:
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qeee1 wrote:12. poo-maker 0.713

Cool! 8-)

Thanks for the update, chip.



Interesting that a lot of players shot up after the update- I'm a bit disappointed that I went from 617 to only 694.


Firstly, you're most welcome.

Secondly... why is it interesting? (I debated for ages whether or not to repsond to this...)

Everyone's score has gone up, some by a lot... not surprising is it?


Chip- I was basing my opinion mostly on Poo's rank and a handful of others, his went from 500ish to 700. I was trying to find the reason for the fluctuation- possibly the change in calculations for 1 vs 1s. It seems to be more generous.



The reason is the calculation is now done for all opponents whereas previously it was done only for opponents defeated.
So the opponents who played you when you lost were not previously counted (hence relative kill rank).
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Incandenza on Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:48 pm

Scott-Land wrote:Think I've played maybe 6, the only one I won was where you *choked* * ahem* ran out of time. Just be careful when you're attacking a territory, I've made the mistake of getting overjoyed after winning 3 or 4 consecutive rolls and clicked one too many times and it auto-advances. You'll be whizzing around the speed games in no time.


Word. Looking forward to getting my speed on, or at least managing to finish a goddamn killshot.

chipv wrote:Still getting .865 regardless... other numbers the same

You got version 1.5.1 Map Rank and are not running the BETA as well, right?


That's a big ten-four on 1.5.1. Never ran the beta in the first place. I'm going to try reinstalling it, see what happens.

EDIT: deleted and reinstalled, did a full rescan, still .882
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby chipv on Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:07 pm

Oh, man, just spotted what the problem is.

Yes, I do get .882 for you... but I have to be case sensitive. incandenza gets .865 but Incandenza gets .882 (correct)
so I have introduced a bug that forces case sensitivity.

Carry on using the correct case and you'll be fine for now, I gotta fix this...
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby chipv on Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:36 pm

Fixed. 1.5.2 wont make any difference if you use the exact case for player names (relative rank is correct), but you probably won't realise the number is off if you get the case wrong so use 1.5.2

e.g. Incandenza gave the correct score, incandenza did not.
This is now fixed in 1.5.2

On the plus side , if you have been getting the case wrong then 1.5.2 will give you a slightly higher score if you have lost any terminator games.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby wacicha on Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:28 pm

If I did it correctly this is mine

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Re: highest/lowest relative rank

Postby Joodoo on Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:50 pm

#-o I'm an equalitarian...
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank UPDATED

Postby Incandenza on Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:05 pm

chipv wrote:Fixed. 1.5.2 wont make any difference if you use the exact case for player names (relative rank is correct), but you probably won't realise the number is off if you get the case wrong so use 1.5.2

e.g. Incandenza gave the correct score, incandenza did not.
This is now fixed in 1.5.2

On the plus side , if you have been getting the case wrong then 1.5.2 will give you a slightly higher score if you have lost any terminator games.


Glad you found the problem.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank

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Re: highest/lowest relative rank

Postby Fruitcake on Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:57 am

0.970

Not too shabby really. I am satisfied I am not fooling myself into thinking I can actually play.
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Re: highest/lowest relative rank

Postby Fruitcake on Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:12 am

So here it is....just for fun you understand...the scores adjusted.
The first digit is the cc scoreboard position. Then the player name. Relative Ranking. CC points. RR points. RR adjusted position. RR adjusted rank.


1 sjnap 0.669 5123 3427 4 Brig
2 Scott-Land 0.694 4911 3408 5 Brig
3 poo-maker 0.713 4911 3502 2 Gen
4 SkyT 0.518 4767 2469 29 Major
5 Warsteiner 0.740 4423 3273 6 Brig
6 RashidJelzin 0.922 4387 4045 1 Conquerer (Gen)
7 rabbiton 0.790 4377 3458 3 Brig
8 Thai Robert 0.597 3757 2243 36 Major
9 Torcav2 0.484 3589 1737 46 Lieutenant
10 Mike Doherty 0.727 3565 2592 27 Major
11 blitzaholic 0.560 3484 1951 45 Captain
12 King_Herpes 0.778 3433 2671 20 Colonel
13 joecoolfrog 0.948 3405 3228 8 Brig
14 Seulessliathan 0.855 3403 2910 14 Colonel
15 fantasianasian 0.792 3368 2667 22 Colonel
16 Velvecarrots 0.808 3364 2718 18 Colonel
17 Big Whiskey 0.663 3340 2214 38 Major
18 kumanovac 0.778 3332 2592 26 Colonel
19 maxatstuy 0.624 3317 2070 39 Major
20 Gwaahjo 0.861 3307 2847 16 Colonel
21 mhennigan 0.621 3300 2049 41 Major
22 csh1979 0.986 3290 3244 7 Brig
23 MOBAJOBG 0.514 3254 1673 47 Lieutenant
24 GoVegan 0.814 3248 2644 24 Colonel
25 Dapper Tom 0.872 3206 2796 17 Colonel
26 MaryMac21 0.831 3195 2655 23 Colonel
27 Torter_of_Worl 0.847 3182 2695 19 Colonel
28 Greatwhite 0.642 3179 2041 42 Major
29 Karlo Veliki 0.978 3175 3105 9 Brig
30 BENJIKAT IS D 0.630 3173 1999 44 Captain
31 roelbianca 0.729 3157 2301 34 Major
32 DomQuebec 0.782 3151 2464 30 Major
33 Teylen 0.803 3133 2516 28 Colonel
34 Kaze 0.958 3119 2988 11 Colonel
35 Laddida 0.732 3103 2271 35 Major
36 larsin 0.665 3090 2055 40 Major
37 gibbom 0.845 3084 2606 25 Colonel
38 roadwarrior 0.936 3078 2881 15 Colonel
39 Fruitcake 0.970 3055 2963 13 Colonel
40 mikiesdios 1.008 3041 3065 10 Brig
41 merz 0.884 3021 2671 21 Colonel
42 FabledIntegral 0.673 3016 2030 43 Major
43 gp24176281 0.774 3014 2333 33 Major
44 krull16 0.812 3006 2441 31 Major
45 M-D-MiNoRiTY 0.739 3001 2218 37 Major
46 Thomas.Paine 0.990 3001 2971 12 Colonel
47 rugbylover 0.786 3000 2358 32 Major
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