Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

[jay_a2j]

(Why don't Christians make more live sacrifices like the Bible commands them to do? It is so much fun!)

We don't have to, Jesus was the final "sacrifice" for our sin.


And do I sense a "DaGip concedes and accepts Jehovah Witness" thread coming?

[william18]

Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy.

Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion

The difference? Jews don't consider themselves Christians. Christian = follower of Christ. Get it yet?

Actually Jews believe in Jesus, but on;y as a prophet, not the messieh. And surprisingly Muslims do to. They also beleive that Jesus is a prophet of God.

[jay_a2j]

Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy.

Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion

The difference? Jews don't consider themselves Christians. Christian = follower of Christ. Get it yet?

Actually Jews believe in Jesus, but on;y as a prophet, not the messieh. And surprisingly Muslims do to. They also beleive that Jesus is a prophet of God.

Yeah, I made the mistake once of going into a Jewish chat room and asking why they didn't believe Jesus was God? I was told to "Go worship your man on a stick".

[joecoolfrog]

Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy.

Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion

The difference? Jews don't consider themselves Christians. Christian = follower of Christ. Get it yet?

[brooksieb]

Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.

To answer the subject in question... You would have to say what a Christian is..

For me, a Christian is somebody that believes that the only way to go to heaven and be with God the father and Creator, is through the belief that Jesus died, was buried, rose again, and is seated at the right hand of the father, AND the only way to go be with God is because Christ did this..
A true Christian, will not just state they believe this, they will have a personal relationship with Christ because they believe this. There is no way of earning your way to heaven, or doing good deeds, it is all about free salvation and relationship with God.
So even if they are doing things that are wrong because they are believing falsely, they will meet Christ for Judgment as will every one, and he will judge the relationship. So some JW's may be Christian, some may not, ONLY God knows what is in the heart, and the relationship.

I think to reword the subject question to.... Maybe the Religion has flaws or false teachings? but there are many religions that have followers that put there salvation in Christ that makes them a christian.

Only Jesus knows...

I didn't say it was set in stone, only my entitlement to a personal opinion.

[DaGip]

JW belief regarding blood:

Ge 9:4
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Le 17:14
4For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

&
Le 7:26-27
26Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, whether it be of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings. 27Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

Ac 15:28, 29
28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

&

Acts 21:25

25As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

As you can see, these passages clearly forbid blood transfusions to save human lives (I am being sarcastic, if you haven't guessed)

JWs, Jews, and Muslims are all the same! (You can throw in all cults for that matter)

[PLAYER57832]

JW belief regarding blood:

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As you can see, these passages clearly forbid blood transfusions to save human lives (I am being sarcastic, if you haven't guessed)

JWs, Jews, and Muslims are all the same! (You can throw in all cults for that matter)

Cute, but irrelevant. The passages JW look to have nothing to do with eating blood. There are passages that can be interpreted as blood being life. They are in the Bible, but other Christians just don't put the importance on those passages. We belive they are to be taken in a different context than the JW church. Blood is obviously important to life, but is not where our soul or life "rests". (similar to the way some groups feel a woman's head must be covered in church or any number of other issues about which groups disagree).

I am way too tired to find the correct passage (or passages) right now, but they are most definitely not the ones you quoted.

JW also seem to feel they can tell when the world will end, deny that Christ was God and a few other issues. However, not everyone who is a JW even necessarily follows each precept.
And, always, it is up to God and not we humans to decide who is and is not "saved".

[MeDeFe]

So what if blood is life? I'm perfectly happy giving part of my life(blood) that I can regenerate to save someone else, in fact I do so on a regular basis.

[brooksieb]

JW belief regarding blood:

.

As you can see, these passages clearly forbid blood transfusions to save human lives (I am being sarcastic, if you haven't guessed)

JWs, Jews, and Muslims are all the same! (You can throw in all cults for that matter)

Cute, but irrelevant. The passages JW look to have nothing to do with eating blood. There are passages that can be interpreted as blood being life. They are in the Bible, but other Christians just don't put the importance on those passages. We belive they are to be taken in a different context than the JW church. Blood is obviously important to life, but is not where our soul or life "rests". (similar to the way some groups feel a woman's head must be covered in church or any number of other issues about which groups disagree).

I am way too tired to find the correct passage (or passages) right now, but they are most definitely not the ones you quoted.

JW also seem to feel they can tell when the world will end, deny that Christ was God and a few other issues. However, not everyone who is a JW even necessarily follows each precept.
And, always, it is up to God and not we humans to decide who is and is not "saved".

But ultimate god gave us powers to save people, that's why we can, that's why god gave us choices.

[jonesthecurl]

I thought the problem was with "letting blood", which is specifically forbidden. Geek reference: the same reason clerics in medieval times (and D&D) use blunt weapons.

[joecoolfrog]

Am I the only one who thinks that all this ' God said that' , 'God did this', 'God meant that ' is simply a giant cop out and in fact simply an indication the poster has no real argument.
If there is a God then I wish he would talk to us because then we would have no doubts and could all get on with rather more important issues, however he doesnt so all this God quoting is pure speculation and consequently meaningless.

[jonesthecurl]

Well, w're specifically debating whether a particular sect that grew out of conventional Xianity is no longer Xian. That's why people are quoting or referring tothe bible.

Anyhow God does talk to us, He sent the Mormons the absolute truth engraved in tablets of gold, didn't he? And didn't he tell Bush that the invasion of Iraq was all right? I know he used to talk to the head of the Moonies. And he regularly chats with a number of TV evangelists. Hasn't he talked to you recently?

[joecoolfrog]

No sadly I dont get voices in my head, shame because its generally a good excuse in court