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Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby brooksieb on Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:42 am

Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby qeee1 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:40 am

What is a christian really?
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:46 am

qeee1 wrote:What is a christian really?



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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby jay_a2j on Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:58 am

Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy. :oops:
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby muy_thaiguy on Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:06 am

Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby Backglass on Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:48 am

Option #4 - "They are all the same to me".

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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby Neoteny on Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:54 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.


It's a shame, really.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby suggs on Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:56 am

They're Christians, just a break away sect from the overall cult.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby apey on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:13 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.

the can't even say the pledge of allegiance or sing the national anthem
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby joecoolfrog on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:33 am

jay_a2j wrote:Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy. :oops:


Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion :lol:
Most Christians dont believe that the World is only 3 years old and we all literaly originated from some guys breast bone, does that make them false as well ?
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby Dancing Mustard on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:40 am

Dont worry about it Frog-Dude... the bottom line is that all religions are false.

Y'know, what with them all just being untrue fairy-tales made up by cave-people.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby Backglass on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:52 am

joecoolfrog wrote:Jews don't believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion :lol:


Of course. Their fairy tales are real...the other fairy tales are just stories. ;)
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby joecoolfrog on Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:12 pm

The amazing thing here is how utterly stupid some people are, if Jehovas are deemed to be not Christian because of a difference in scriptural interpretation then all ( yes all ) Protestants are in the same boat - hee hee how many of you have just condemned yourself :lol:
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby heavycola on Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:25 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.


They also attract sharks, refuse to tip in restaurants, and they talk in fake whiney voices when you ask them to do stuff. They don't use deodorant and they have red arses like gibbons.
Furthermore they only eat the icing on cakes and leave the sponge on their plates, and they mutter profanities durign the pledge of allegiance. Burn them all.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby brooksieb on Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:26 pm

joecoolfrog wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy. :oops:


Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion :lol:
Most Christians dont believe that the World is only 3 years old and we all literaly originated from some guys breast bone, does that make them false as well ?
Are only the Jay approved brands now real Christians, will all the normal people end up in hell with red hot pokers wedged between their heretical buttocks :o
Jay you do realise that Orthodox Judaism viewed your mob the same way, just a bunch of modern jews with a fancy new name, a false religion you might say #-o


Well they are a true religion in my books, however not a sect in christianity and a independent religion.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby brooksieb on Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:30 pm

joecoolfrog wrote:The amazing thing here is how utterly stupid some people are, if Jehovas are deemed to be not Christian because of a difference in scriptural interpretation then all ( yes all ) Protestants are in the same boat - hee hee how many of you have just condemned yourself :lol:


No they're not, they also value the importance of life over blood transfusions which is why they are christians, so are catholics, anglicans, orthadox christians and many more who believe in the same manner.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby muy_thaiguy on Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:30 pm

joecoolfrog wrote:The amazing thing here is how utterly stupid some people are, if Jehovas are deemed to be not Christian because of a difference in scriptural interpretation then all ( yes all ) Protestants are in the same boat - hee hee how many of you have just condemned yourself :lol:

And Anabaptists.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:02 pm

brooksieb wrote: if it was not a life or death situation


Usually not being able to get a blood-transfusion is a death-sentence. You can't really have any major operation without losing plenty of blood.


There is a newish device though that recycles/cleans the blood of the patient and then pumps it back in, but even that is not okay according to some fundies.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby MeDeFe on Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:05 pm

heavycola wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.

They also attract sharks, refuse to tip in restaurants, and they talk in fake whiney voices when you ask them to do stuff. They don't use deodorant and they have red arses like gibbons.
Furthermore they only eat the icing on cakes and leave the sponge on their plates, and they mutter profanities durign the pledge of allegiance. Burn them all.

They're obviously atheists for being disrespectful towards true religion.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby Gregrios on Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:28 pm

Christian: (a person who believes in the doctrines of Jesus and acknowledges his divinity) ;)
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby DaGip on Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:11 pm

brooksieb wrote:Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.


God forbids consuming blood, I think that is the stupid rule they follow. I can't find it right now, but I do remember it. I have a JW Bible, it is actually a fairly good read.

I would say that JWs are more Muslim than Christian, because they don't believe in the divinity of Jesus.

Okay, I have to go and make my a goat sacrifice on the altar my father and I built when I was just a young lad...

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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:23 pm

The official stance of most Protestant bodies is that some Jehovah's Witness are Christian and some are not.... and the same is true for most churches.

Some of Jehovah Witness doctrine and teaching definitely disagrees with Protestant and Roman Catholic teachings. But if you believe that Christ died for your sins ... you are saved. (Roman Catholics are a bit more strict ;) ).

More importantly, they generally make decent neighbors if you either enjoy constant religious discussion or abstain from it.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:33 pm

DaGip wrote:
brooksieb wrote:Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.


God forbids consuming blood, I think that is the stupid rule they follow. I can't find it right now, but I do remember it. I have a JW Bible, it is actually a fairly good read.


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Jehovah's Witness look to the passage of the Bible that refers to Blood being life (can't recall the exact passages now). They believe that is where life is and therefore it is a sin to trafuse blood from another person.

As for the "denying blood" being killing.... you have to understand that they would see killing the body as unimportant compared with "killing" the spirit, but there are medical alternatives to whole blood in some cases. (not as effective, but better than nothing).

The EATING blood bit is a completely different matter (the blood must be drained from an animal ... which makes a LOT of sense when you don't have refridgeration, by-the-way)


DaGip wrote:I would say that JWs are more Muslim than Christian, because they don't believe in the divinity of Jesus.

So Jews are Muslims, too then? :lol: :lol:
Sorry ... there is that little issue of Mohammad. Oh, and the rules that J.W. follow are not that of Islam.
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby Beastly on Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:15 pm

brooksieb wrote:Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.


To answer the subject in question... You would have to say what a Christian is..

For me, a Christian is somebody that believes that the only way to go to heaven and be with God the father and Creator, is through the belief that Jesus died, was buried, rose again, and is seated at the right hand of the father, AND the only way to go be with God is because Christ did this..
A true Christian, will not just state they believe this, they will have a personal relationship with Christ because they believe this. There is no way of earning your way to heaven, or doing good deeds, it is all about free salvation and relationship with God.
So even if they are doing things that are wrong because they are believing falsely, they will meet Christ for Judgment as will every one, and he will judge the relationship. So some JW's may be Christian, some may not, ONLY God knows what is in the heart, and the relationship.

I think to reword the subject question to.... Maybe the Religion has flaws or false teachings? but there are many religions that have followers that put there salvation in Christ that makes them a christian.

Only Jesus knows...
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Re: Jehovas' witnesses are not christians...

Postby jay_a2j on Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:35 pm

joecoolfrog wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy. :oops:


Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion


The difference? Jews don't consider themselves Christians. Christian = follower of Christ. Get it yet? :roll:
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