End Time Prophesy (Are we living it?)

[jay_a2j]

Matthew 24:6

" And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."



Matthew 24:7

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places."

If that is all the scripture that you have to back this up, I'm sad to say, but that discribes all of human history from when that was first said to nowadays.

"You'll know not the day nor the hour,......" I forget where that is written.

Yes, no one will know the day nor hour "of Christs return" but as I've already stated, He said we can know the season.

The problem is that describes a lot of history from then to now. Pick a date from 70 AD to today and you can make those two verses say it is the End of Days.

There have been many who claimed to know when it would happen, all have been dead wrong.

In all honesty, I believe the "End Times" have been upon us for a long time, and I think it'll be along time comin'. Instead of worrying about it, do what the Lord called you to do; Co-labor with Him to bring Heaven to Earth.

I think the main reason we don't see miricles everyday is because we don't have that expectation.

What say you?

What say you? You been watching the no spin zone?


I say that scripture states, "The generation that sees the Jews gather back to their homeland (Israel was given back to the Jews in 1948 following WWII) will be the generation that sees ALL THESE THINGS come to pass." If a generation is 70 years, "all these things" must take place within the next 10 years. There is no way to support, "a long time comin'" with scripture. 1948 to present = 60 years. We are running out of time!

[Iliad]

Matthew 24:6

" And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."



Matthew 24:7

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places."

If that is all the scripture that you have to back this up, I'm sad to say, but that discribes all of human history from when that was first said to nowadays.

"You'll know not the day nor the hour,......" I forget where that is written.

Yes, no one will know the day nor hour "of Christs return" but as I've already stated, He said we can know the season.

The problem is that describes a lot of history from then to now. Pick a date from 70 AD to today and you can make those two verses say it is the End of Days.

There have been many who claimed to know when it would happen, all have been dead wrong.

In all honesty, I believe the "End Times" have been upon us for a long time, and I think it'll be along time comin'. Instead of worrying about it, do what the Lord called you to do; Co-labor with Him to bring Heaven to Earth.

I think the main reason we don't see miricles everyday is because we don't have that expectation.

What say you?

What say you? You been watching the no spin zone?


I say that scripture states, "The generation that sees the Jews gather back to their homeland (Israel was given back to the Jews in 1948 following WWII) will be the generation that sees ALL THESE THINGS come to pass." If a generation is 70 years, "all these things" must take place within the next 10 years. There is no way to support, "a long time comin'" with scripture. 1948 to present = 60 years. We are running out of time!

Life expectancy was about 35 years then jay.

[jay_a2j]

Life expectancy was about 35 years then jay.

Yeah, and I think God would have know what it would be now.

[joecoolfrog]

Well when I was in Bethlehem one Xmas eve ( bloody cold it was ) I had a vision of many Arabs selling plastic figurines of Jesus, go there and buy one Jay because it is the closest you will ever get to seeing him.

[Backglass]

[If a generation is 70 years, "all these things" must take place within the next 10 years. There is no way to support, "a long time comin'" with scripture. 1948 to present = 60 years. We are running out of time!

So jay...when the "end" doesn't come in the next 10 years, what will you do? Just explain away your prediction as wrong? More "Mysterious ways"?

Or finally realize that it's all just a bedtime story....

[THORNHEART]

WE ARE NOT LIVING IN THE END TIMES YET lol

it will have to get to the point of no return before GOD allows the world to be ruled by the antichrist ...the world will have to be as bad or as worse as in the time when he sent the flood...it says in those days that there was only one righteous man left and GOD hated the creation he had made...dont think were quite there yet

[jay_a2j]

Well when I was in Bethlehem one Xmas eve ( bloody cold it was ) I had a vision of many Arabs selling plastic figurines of Jesus, go there and buy one Jay because it is the closest you will ever get to seeing him.

Ha, ha, ha. You are such the comedian. I will see Him AND you will see Him. Whether you believe in Him or not.


Backglass, if it doesn't happen within 10 years, then I hope someone is around to explain that verse to me..

[Backglass]

I just found this...and oh how I love it!


10 Signs You're A Christian Going Mad.....

10. You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9. You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8. You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7. Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6. You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5. You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4. You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3. While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2. You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1. You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.




FOR THE WIN!

[jay_a2j]

I just found this...and oh how I love it!


10 Signs You're A Christian Going Mad.....

10. You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me." So yeah. But I don't feel "outraged".

9. You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

The Bible states otherwise. So the question is, is the Bible the Word of God? I believe it is.

8. You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

I don't "laugh" at them, I feel sorry for them and hope that one day they will know the truth.

7. Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

On the contrary, I don't think much about Allah, since he is not God.

6. You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

Again, I don't laugh at their beliefs and we have come full circle to the question: Is the Bible the Word of God? Again, I say yes.

5. You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

Carbon 14 dating is only accurate for a certain number of years, and its nowhere near "billions" so find me some evidence that is accurate.

4. You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

Hell is a personal choice. One ends up there if they die in sin, not knowing Jesus Christ.

3. While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

Speaking in tongues is NOT what I base my faith on, but rather having faith that Jesus is who He said He is.

2. You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

You conveniently leave out that if the prayers are in the will of God, you would have a 100% success rate.

1. You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

It is of no use to study the scriptures without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Also, a person "being a Christian" or not, has nothing to do with "knowing the Bible" per say, but rather if they believe that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

FOR THE WIN!

Jesus "won" 2000 years ago.... of what do you boast?

[Cypress333]

There is no commandment, "Thou shall not try to predict the end of the world". Sorry. As a matter of fact, Jesus told us that no one knows the day nor hour (of Christs return) but He did say "you can know the season" or about the time these things will take place.

Furthermore the Bible does not state the world will end. What will end is man's obsession with screwing it up! Jesus will rule the Earth for 1000 years! I personally can't wait.

Actually, there is a commandment you would be breaking. By trying to predict the end of times which we all know only God can know, you are trying to be God. So if you know only God knows, then predicting it would be breaking the first commandment! And also, The Bible says after the war vs. good and evil, the judgement day will come and in that our world full of sin and blasphemy will be destroyed, and a new heaven and a new earth will be created for all of God's followers; never to be ridden of sin again.

[Cypress333]

But Jay I shouldn't be fighting with you, we are both christians and we need to stand up and save the atheists

[jay_a2j]

There is no commandment, "Thou shall not try to predict the end of the world". Sorry. As a matter of fact, Jesus told us that no one knows the day nor hour (of Christs return) but He did say "you can know the season" or about the time these things will take place.

Furthermore the Bible does not state the world will end. What will end is man's obsession with screwing it up! Jesus will rule the Earth for 1000 years! I personally can't wait.

Actually, there is a commandment you would be breaking. By trying to predict the end of times which we all know only God can know, you are trying to be God. So if you know only God knows, then predicting it would be breaking the first commandment! And also, The Bible says after the war vs. good and evil, the judgement day will come and in that our world full of sin and blasphemy will be destroyed, and a new heaven and a new earth will be created for all of God's followers; never to be ridden of sin again.

He told us what to look for, "there will be earthquakes in various places", "there will be wars and rumor of war", "there will be famine and pestilence". Now why would Jesus tell us these things? So we can know that the time is at hand! "Learn the lesson from the fig tree".

"When you see these things begin to happen, do not be afraid, the end is not yet." Obviously Jesus wanted us to heed his words so that we wouldn't enter into the last days, never having looked at the "signs" and be caught totally off guard.

[jay_a2j]

But Jay I shouldn't be fighting with you, we are both christians and we need to stand up and save the atheists

We can't do that, only God can. But I see what you're saying.

[tzor]

Re: Backglass's 10 signs: Somehow I find the need to make a counter point.

10. First of all I don't feel outraged. I do feel annoyed when people say that the non existance of god is "proven" when other scientists are proposing various far flung ideas that seem just as unprovable as the possible existance of god.

9. That doesn't bother me at all. Still I like the idea that humans were 100% certified organic.

8. Have I been laughing? How "Unchristian" of me.

7. Clearly that doesn't apply. As a secular Franciscan I should point our founder (or so it is claimed) just got along with the Sufis very well. We both look at our more extreemist bothers in our faithers and sake our heads in shame.

6. I really have to go to confession. I've been laughing too much. Actually I don't believe that the "Holy Spirit" impregnated Mary, rather that through the power of the Holy Spirit she conceived.

5. I don't so this doesn't apply. By the way, for Bronze Age tribesmen I'm still kind of impressed that they managed to get the Big Bang as the first event on day one.

4. I don't so this also doesn't apply.

3. Modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince me of a number of things, mostly because they haven't tried. People who claim to use modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics to prove god doesn't exist have failed to convince me of their argument.

2. I sense a straw man. God answers all prayers, not just the way we want them answered.

1. I actually know a lot about the Bible, Christianity and Church History, but I don't see what it means in calling myself one of the "Anointed."

[billy07]

honey bee's are becoming fewer.

[Juan_Bottom]

But Jay I shouldn't be fighting with you, we are both christians and we need to stand up and save the atheists

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

-- Stephen F Roberts, confirmed by Stephen F Roberts in a letter to Cliff Walker, (January 4, 2008); as a tag line for postings on the newsgroups alt.atheism and talk.atheism and thinks he originated it in late 1994 or early 1995; he has posted the story in "Brief history of The Quote."

[Juan_Bottom]

He told us what to look for, "there will be earthquakes in various places", "there will be wars and rumor of war", "there will be famine and pestilence". Now why would Jesus tell us these things? So we can know that the time is at hand! "Learn the lesson from the fig tree".

"When you see these things begin to happen, do not be afraid, the end is not yet." Obviously Jesus wanted us to heed his words so that we wouldn't enter into the last days, never having looked at the "signs" and be caught totally off guard.

Eat it up, man. Couldn't be any more vague. Here Jesus is the equivalent of a daily horoscope.

honey bee's are becoming fewer.

[Backglass]

But Jay I shouldn't be fighting with you, we are both christians and we need to stand up and save the atheists

Typical.

Can't you just be happy with your little club without having to bother the rest of the planet?

Someone should have "saved" you guys from drinking the Kool-Aid.

[Cypress333]

Typical.

Can't you just be happy with your little club without having to bother the rest of the planet?

Someone should have "saved" you guys from drinking the Kool-Aid.

Okay, it seems as though it is just the ATHEISTS that have problems with Christianity, (aside from some radicals in the world) and I'd like to look at some percentages:



hmmm...33% christians, 2% Atheists. I dont see how we could bother the rest of the planet, when only about 3% has problems with us (A poll shows only about 1% of Muslims actually have a problem with Christians-Radicals.)

[kagetora]

Wasn't that the one given a 1 in 5,050 chance of hitting Earth?

(not arguing for or against anything)

From what I hear it will not hit the Earth but pass close enough to cause a pole shift, possibly violent earthquakes and such. It would be catastrophic to life on Earth.

Not saying anything for or against here, but I would like to know how a meteoroid's near miss would case a magnetic pole shift. I mean, I know that the poles shift and all, and we're in that process now, but why would a flying hunk of iron cause the change of poles?

Though if the poles do shift, I would understand that it might cause earthquakes as the shift probably will mean a change in the rotation of the core. So. Whatever.

The way this would work is this:

Remember, iron is one of the most magnetic materials known to man. The magnetic material in the earth would have more mass than the comet/asteroid/whatever, but is contained by the orbit around the sun, so it can't move. What happens when you put a magnet next to a fridge? Does the fridge come to the magnet? No. The magnet goes to the fridge. No replace the fridge with the asteroid, and the magnet with Earth, and what happens?

[MeDeFe]

Actually, there is a commandment you would be breaking. By trying to predict the end of times which we all know only God can know, you are trying to be God. So if you know only God knows, then predicting it would be breaking the first commandment! And also, The Bible says after the war vs. good and evil, the judgement day will come and in that our world full of sin and blasphemy will be destroyed, and a new heaven and a new earth will be created for all of God's followers; never to be ridden of sin again.

The war vs. good and evil? I like that a lot, does that mean we humans get to fight both angels and demons? I'm not being sarcastic here, I know what you meant to write but I really think that's a cool idea. (Even though it's been done before)

[Juan_Bottom]

BACKGLASS was grouping Christians together. I was not.

Are you trying to offend me by grouping all Atheists together? Less ye forget you are in the "Atheist playground" of CC.

And, as far as I know, Atheists actually make up between 15-30% of the world's pop. You may want to check into that a bit further.


"The war vs. good and evil? I like that a lot, does that mean we humans get to fight both angels and demons? I'm not being sarcastic here, I know what you meant to write but I really think that's a cool idea. (Even though it's been done before)"

True dat!

[kagetora]

Also about that statistic about the religions, I know a lot of people who claim to be Christians, but don't know shit about the Bible. I quote stories, and they're like "When did that happen?"

Oh yeah, and whoever said they can't wait for the 1000 years of Jesus reigning, odds are you will die before it comes. The "Anti-Christ" or the "Beast" or whatever you call it is supposed to come and rule the world for 7 years, before Jesus comes. Before which, the world will be chaotic. Then he makes everything better. Then he kills 2/3 of the people on earth.

[Backglass]

Okay, it seems as though it is just the ATHEISTS that have problems with Christianity, hmmm...33% christians, 2% Atheists. I dont see how we could bother the rest of the planet, when only about 3% has problems with us (A poll shows only about 1% of Muslims actually have a problem with Christians-Radicals.)

I have no problem with anyone who keeps to themselves. The religious people I have "have problems" with are those that believe that I "need saving" simply because I don't believe in their magical creatures, superstitions and rituals.

Your chart is flawed. "Non-religious" = Atheist.

As for the numbers...

[Juan_Bottom]

Also about that statistic about the religions, I know a lot of people who claim to be Christians, but don't know shit about the Bible. I quote stories, and they're like "When did that happen?"

Yup. By definition though, those people aren't Christian. In life, a Christian only has one job. And thats to be the best damned Christian that they can be. And If they aren't doing that, then really, they're just Atheists like us.

Offencive Posers.