There is no such thing as a soul

[DAZMCFC]

Note that the CC still uses Latin as a base language.

my CC language is English and i don't think Lack,Wicked or Twildo knows Latin.

[suggs]

Fookus thankus maximus, old boy

[InkL0sed]

Note that the CC still uses Latin as a base language.

my CC language is English and i don't think Lack,Wicked or Twildo knows Latin.

Minime! Conquero Clubo sum solus qui Latinum scit.

[suggs]

Shut up.

[InkL0sed]

Te confuta!

[DAZMCFC]

Te confuta!

try and use a language that is not extinct.

[InkL0sed]

Tuis mater extinctus est.

[DAZMCFC]

fargucking bargastard, kargick yargour fargucking hargead iargn.

[suggs]

Ah, Ancient Glaswegian -a very fruity language!

[tzor]

I couldn't be arsed to read all of this. But is Tzor seriously trying to claim that most Xians don't think the " soul" is non physical/corporeal? (and most non Xians too).

No, although it is close. Most Christians define the "soul" in abstract terms. Some may go into details filling in those abstract terms but many merely do that for explanation and not dogmatic definition. So what does it mean to say that a soul is non physical or corporeal? Basically it means you can't have a container with a gallon of soul that you can see, nothing less and nothing more.

But just because an idea is abstract it does not mean that it is void of any concrete properties; just because something abstract is non physical at a higher level doesn't mean that there is something physical at the lower level. Thoughts are a good example of this. At the lowest level they are just chemical interactions from a number of cells in the body, and yet there is a higher organization which forms an abstract concept in an abstract notion (the English Language) that expresses the notion os "That Tzor's an idiot; he doesn't know what he's talking about."

So the soul is not as much para-phyical (para- as in beside) as it is trans-physical (across and beyond) encompasing both the physical and the eternal. Just as the thoughts written on the printed page continue anew with every person who reads those words, thus extending beyond the page.

And don't wory Suggs, normally I coudn't be arsed to read what you write either.

[suggs]

Tzor, read some philosophy and get back to me. You clearly haven't got a rigorous academic brain.

[MeDeFe]

I couldn't be arsed to read all of this. But is Tzor seriously trying to claim that most Xians don't think the " soul" is non physical/corporeal? (and most non Xians too).

No, although it is close. Most Christians define the "soul" in abstract terms. Some may go into details filling in those abstract terms but many merely do that for explanation and not dogmatic definition. So what does it mean to say that a soul is non physical or corporeal? Basically it means you can't have a container with a gallon of soul that you can see, nothing less and nothing more.

But just because an idea is abstract it does not mean that it is void of any concrete properties; just because something abstract is non physical at a higher level doesn't mean that there is something physical at the lower level. Thoughts are a good example of this. At the lowest level they are just chemical interactions from a number of cells in the body, and yet there is a higher organization which forms an abstract concept in an abstract notion (the English Language) that expresses the notion os "That Tzor's an idiot; he doesn't know what he's talking about."

So the soul is not as much para-phyical (para- as in beside) as it is trans-physical (across and beyond) encompasing both the physical and the eternal. Just as the thoughts written on the printed page continue anew with every person who reads those words, thus extending beyond the page.

And don't wory Suggs, normally I coudn't be arsed to read what you write either.

So there is no soul? It's just something we made up?

[heavycola]

I couldn't be arsed to read all of this. But is Tzor seriously trying to claim that most Xians don't think the " soul" is non physical/corporeal? (and most non Xians too).

No, although it is close. Most Christians define the "soul" in abstract terms. Some may go into details filling in those abstract terms but many merely do that for explanation and not dogmatic definition. So what does it mean to say that a soul is non physical or corporeal? Basically it means you can't have a container with a gallon of soul that you can see, nothing less and nothing more.

But just because an idea is abstract it does not mean that it is void of any concrete properties; just because something abstract is non physical at a higher level doesn't mean that there is something physical at the lower level. Thoughts are a good example of this. At the lowest level they are just chemical interactions from a number of cells in the body, and yet there is a higher organization which forms an abstract concept in an abstract notion (the English Language) that expresses the notion os "That Tzor's an idiot; he doesn't know what he's talking about."

So the soul is not as much para-phyical (para- as in beside) as it is trans-physical (across and beyond) encompasing both the physical and the eternal. Just as the thoughts written on the printed page continue anew with every person who reads those words, thus extending beyond the page.

And don't wory Suggs, normally I coudn't be arsed to read what you write either.

So there is no soul? It's just something we made up?

Yep.
Next thread!

[OnlyAmbrose]

In all religions, there is a soul or spirit outside of your body. It doesn't exist. It is all physical. If someone damages their brain, their personality changes. What you would call "who they are" changes. Basically, their "soul" changes. That is proof that the soul doesn't exist and disproves all religions and other such theistic beliefs.

If I'm watching a TV show, and I break the TV, the picture will get messed up. Did the program change or did the TV break so the program is no longer effectively communicated to the outside world?

[heavycola]

In all religions, there is a soul or spirit outside of your body. It doesn't exist. It is all physical. If someone damages their brain, their personality changes. What you would call "who they are" changes. Basically, their "soul" changes. That is proof that the soul doesn't exist and disproves all religions and other such theistic beliefs.

If I'm watching a TV show, and I break the TV, the picture will get messed up. Did the program change or did the TV break so the program is no longer effectively communicated to the outside world?

The messed up picture does not change the content of the programme. You could be describing Stephen Hawking's condition, but i don't see this analogy working in this context. The OP is saying that when our brains are physically altered, so does our personality. If a skilled technician - analagous to a surgeon, let's say - clears up the bad picture, it's still going to be the same programme under the snow.

[Backglass]

Pick the parts you like and leave out the rest, it might not always be very consistent, but if it works.

Yup. The christians do it everyday.

[Juan_Bottom]

Pick the parts you like and leave out the rest, it might not always be very consistent, but if it works.

Yup. The christians do it everyday.

Then they aren't Christian. God's law.... Jay pities them.

[DAZMCFC]

Pick the parts you like and leave out the rest, it might not always be very consistent, but if it works.

Yup. The christians do it everyday.

Then they aren't Christian. God's law.... Jay pities them.

Juan_ker, so like the Catholics that live in sin and have a child out of wed-lock. then on Good Friday they don't have Meat, because it is wrong Bollocks. Hypocrits, commit a crime and then tell the priest and all will be forgiven, what about the poor victims of said crime.


Catholic Church, shit 'em.

[suggs]

I Have Forgiven Jesus.

[daddy1gringo]

Well I don’t agree with all of Tzor’s theology, but there’s a principle in what he’s saying that I agree refutes the OP’s assertion. The “straw man” Tzor is talking about is an artificial dichotomy or separation between the physical and the spiritual.

A widely-accepted definition of “soul” is “the intellect, the will and the emotions”. Obviously neurology, biochemistry and experience have a lot to do with all of these, but that does not exclude the possibility of there being something more to them.

The personality is just how the soul plays out through the behavior, and the soul is neither completely physical, nor completely unrelated to the physical. It is a unity: an entity that derives from both. So the fact that a physical injury to the brain causes a change in the personality does not prove the nonexistence of the eternal or non-physical aspect of man. (for convenience, I use the word “man” in its general sense which includes women)

At the risk of hijacking the thread, I’ll give two examples of this “unity” between the physical and the spiritual. Now both of these are based on what I believe, so we could start a whole new discussion, but please don’t. It doesn’t matter if I am correct about these things; I am just trying to illustrate what I’m talking about.

For one example, when I pray for a city bus to come for me to get where I am going on time, and then thank God when it does, I do not believe that he materialized the bus around the corner. I believe his plan is big enough to have arranged for it in the big picture of events.

Better yet, when I say that I believe the Bible is divinely inspired, I do not mean that it was some kind of “automatic writing” thing and that the personalities and experience of, say, Luke, or Jeremiah are irrelevant, but that God chose the writers with their personalities and experiences and divinely moved them to write what they would not have otherwise, but that someone else would not have written at all.

The presence of the explainable, physical, human factor does not rule out the presence of an eternal factor. I am not claiming that this hereby proves that it does exist, just that this argument fails to prove it doesn’t.

My arguments for the existence of the soul are on an entirely different line. I was planning to go into them at this point, but I’d better just post this or I never will. I hope to find time to compose and post those later.

To Neoteny: Wow, thanks for noticing my absence. I’m sincerely touched. I’ve been busy with various things and haven’t had time to post much on the Chatterbox lately. It’s nice to know you are missed.

[jonesthecurl]

Te confuta!

Testiculos.

[Snorri1234]

For one example, when I pray for a city bus to come for me to get where I am going on time, and then thank God when it does, I do not believe that he materialized the bus around the corner. I believe his plan is big enough to have arranged for it in the big picture of events.

You believe the bus coming in time is part of God's almighty plan?


Wow. How bad is your public-transport there?

[Frigidus]

For one example, when I pray for a city bus to come for me to get where I am going on time, and then thank God when it does, I do not believe that he materialized the bus around the corner. I believe his plan is big enough to have arranged for it in the big picture of events.

You believe the bus coming in time is part of God's almighty plan?


Wow. How bad is your public-transport there?

Well, on one side you've got a cluttered bureaucracy and on the other you've got a fictional entity. Tough choice in my opinion.

[daddy1gringo]

For one example, when I pray for a city bus to come for me to get where I am going on time, and then thank God when it does, I do not believe that he materialized the bus around the corner. I believe his plan is big enough to have arranged for it in the big picture of events.

You believe the bus coming in time is part of God's almighty plan?


Wow. How bad is your public-transport there?

Well, on one side you've got a cluttered bureaucracy and on the other you've got a fictional entity. Tough choice in my opinion.

This example is from when I used to live in New York City where, due to traffic, you could wait for an hour for a bus that was scheduled to come every 12 minutes, then find 4 of them arriving lke a convoy.

But my point was about the physical and spiritual not being as distinct as we sometimes think of them. Maybe this wasn't such a good example. Anybody got anything to say about the meat of my post?

[InkL0sed]

This example is from when I used to live in New York City where, due to traffic, you could wait for an hour for a bus that was scheduled to come every 12 minutes, then find 4 of them arriving lke a convoy.

This has much more to do with MTA incompetence and the age of the subway system than anything else.