IE vs Firefox

[chipv]

See if this is any use to you:

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=53395

I was in the middle of doing a missed turns script but scrapped that in favour of this.

[Soloman]

See if this is any use to you:

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=53395

I was in the middle of doing a missed turns script but scrapped that in favour of this.

Looks Kool But I will never use it since it is not IE it is not me.

[chipv]

Why not install Firefox? It's free and probably several times as good as IE in a lot of ways.
There are a lot of useful scripts here that you could then find useful.
(Instructions on downloading in the Plugins and Addons Forum at the top)

You're only a few clicks away from having exactly what you want!

[Soloman]

Why not install Firefox? It's free and probably several times as good as IE in a lot of ways.
There are a lot of useful scripts here that you could then find useful.
(Instructions on downloading in the Plugins and Addons Forum at the top)

You're only a few clicks away from having exactly what you want!

On 3 seperate computer 2 of mine and 1 work Firfox caused more issues then it was worth if the plugin cannot be used with IE I will not touch it. Same as I do not use anything made by AOL as I was a former employee and know what there software does to systems...

[chipv]

Well, up to you.

I am currently investigating running these scripts on IE.
I found an application that claims to do it, but haven't got it going yet.

[Soloman]

Well, up to you.

I am currently investigating running these scripts on IE.
I found an application that claims to do it, but haven't got it going yet.

I look forward to your results with this application. Ifound this page that may help with the issues.

Since I've been posting so much about Greasemonkey recently, I thought it would be a good idea to create a comprehensive reference that readers new to Greasemonkey can refer back to.

First off, Greasemonkey is a browser extension that lets you change the way websites look and behave. That means you can add extra features to your favorite sites or eliminate features that you don't want. This is done through scripts that you can install or create on your own.

To use a Greasemonkey script, you need to install some special software on your browser of choice. The following guides will walk you through how to install Greasemonkey scripts on Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Opera.

Internet Explorer
1. Download and install Trixie.
2. Restart IE.
3. Then save the script you want to use into the Scripts folder. The default directory will look something like this: C:\Program Files\Bhelpuri\Trixie\Scripts.
4. Now go to the Tools menu in IE and click on "Trixie Options".
5. An options window will pop up with a list of the scripts that are installed. Click "Reload Scripts" and make sure your new script shows up in the list. Make sure to check the box next to it if it isn't checked already.
6. Click "OK".

However, fair warning: not all Greasemonkey scripts work in IE.

Firefox
1. Download and install Greasemonkey.
2. Restart Firefox.
3. Click on the link to the script you want to download. It'll probably be labeled "Install this script" or something similar.
4. A window should pop up with a countdown. Click Install after it ends.
5. That's it!

Opera
1. Download your script to a directory of your choice, i.e. C:\Scripts.
2. Open Opera, and go to Tools->Preferences.
3. Click on the "Advanced" tab and select "Content".
4. Now click "JavaScript Options..." and set "User JavaScript files" to the directory you chose before.

If you're looking for Greasemonkey scripts to download, Userscripts.org has a vast collection.
Labels: greasemonkey

[Soloman]

Well, up to you.

I am currently investigating running these scripts on IE.
I found an application that claims to do it, but haven't got it going yet.

I look forward to your results with this application. Ifound this page that may help with the issues.

Since I've been posting so much about Greasemonkey recently, I thought it would be a good idea to create a comprehensive reference that readers new to Greasemonkey can refer back to.

First off, Greasemonkey is a browser extension that lets you change the way websites look and behave. That means you can add extra features to your favorite sites or eliminate features that you don't want. This is done through scripts that you can install or create on your own.

To use a Greasemonkey script, you need to install some special software on your browser of choice. The following guides will walk you through how to install Greasemonkey scripts on Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Opera.

Internet Explorer
1. Download and install Trixie.
2. Restart IE.
3. Then save the script you want to use into the Scripts folder. The default directory will look something like this: C:\Program Files\Bhelpuri\Trixie\Scripts.
4. Now go to the Tools menu in IE and click on "Trixie Options".
5. An options window will pop up with a list of the scripts that are installed. Click "Reload Scripts" and make sure your new script shows up in the list. Make sure to check the box next to it if it isn't checked already.
6. Click "OK".

However, fair warning: not all Greasemonkey scripts work in IE.

Firefox
1. Download and install Greasemonkey.
2. Restart Firefox.
3. Click on the link to the script you want to download. It'll probably be labeled "Install this script" or something similar.
4. A window should pop up with a countdown. Click Install after it ends.
5. That's it!

Opera
1. Download your script to a directory of your choice, i.e. C:\Scripts.
2. Open Opera, and go to Tools->Preferences.
3. Click on the "Advanced" tab and select "Content".
4. Now click "JavaScript Options..." and set "User JavaScript files" to the directory you chose before.

If you're looking for Greasemonkey scripts to download, Userscripts.org has a vast collection.
Labels: greasemonkey

Just a further note this may be a bad idea I am still fixing my computer since attempting to use the progam Trixie it is has not been updated that I can see since IE 7 has come out and definitely not been made compatible to Vista

[Soloman]

Well, up to you.

I am currently investigating running these scripts on IE.
I found an application that claims to do it, but haven't got it going yet.

I look forward to your results with this application. Ifound this page that may help with the issues.

Since I've been posting so much about Greasemonkey recently, I thought it would be a good idea to create a comprehensive reference that readers new to Greasemonkey can refer back to.

First off, Greasemonkey is a browser extension that lets you change the way websites look and behave. That means you can add extra features to your favorite sites or eliminate features that you don't want. This is done through scripts that you can install or create on your own.

To use a Greasemonkey script, you need to install some special software on your browser of choice. The following guides will walk you through how to install Greasemonkey scripts on Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Opera.

Internet Explorer
1. Download and install Trixie.
2. Restart IE.
3. Then save the script you want to use into the Scripts folder. The default directory will look something like this: C:\Program Files\Bhelpuri\Trixie\Scripts.
4. Now go to the Tools menu in IE and click on "Trixie Options".
5. An options window will pop up with a list of the scripts that are installed. Click "Reload Scripts" and make sure your new script shows up in the list. Make sure to check the box next to it if it isn't checked already.
6. Click "OK".

However, fair warning: not all Greasemonkey scripts work in IE.

Firefox
1. Download and install Greasemonkey.
2. Restart Firefox.
3. Click on the link to the script you want to download. It'll probably be labeled "Install this script" or something similar.
4. A window should pop up with a countdown. Click Install after it ends.
5. That's it!

Opera
1. Download your script to a directory of your choice, i.e. C:\Scripts.
2. Open Opera, and go to Tools->Preferences.
3. Click on the "Advanced" tab and select "Content".
4. Now click "JavaScript Options..." and set "User JavaScript files" to the directory you chose before.

If you're looking for Greasemonkey scripts to download, Userscripts.org has a vast collection.
Labels: greasemonkey

I take that back found a better solution http://www.download.com/IE7Pro/3000-127 ... d=10844454 called IE pro allows me to use Greasemonkey on IE7 will update later with its success

[chipv]

So what is your latest conclusion? Shall I try Trixie or continue with the other application I was using?

Just done a bit of reading - some scripts could be run with Trixie on IE but not all (BOB won't for example unless it's modified) so it's asking a lot of the script developers to maintain 2 different scripts , especially as most will additionally have browser-specific code which needs managing.

For IE7Pro, the scripts are different to Greasemonkey scripts so same applies here but to a greater extent of modification.

The paths of least resistance:

1. You install Firefox
2. Script writers either write an IE specific script for Trixie or modify original script to do both.
3. Script writers write an IE7Pro equivalent script.

Even if I get this thing working with the other application, scripts still needs to be massaged for IE.

It really is asking a lot of developer's spare time which they are doing for free when all you have to do is install Firefox.

[yeti_c]

It really is asking a lot of developer's spare time which they are doing for free when all you have to do is install Firefox.

I've not read the rest of this topic - mainly cos I can't see it...

But this is the most poignant point in here.

C.

[Soloman]

It really is asking a lot of developer's spare time which they are doing for free when all you have to do is install Firefox.

I've not read the rest of this topic - mainly cos I can't see it...

But this is the most poignant point in here.

C.

Having worked in IT and Tech support for 14 years you would be surprised or maybe not with how many people do not and will not run Fir Fox and Stick with Internet Explorer. I will be the 1st to admit I am not a programmer I can right small things with Q basic but do not dabble much further then that I just know about getting things to work the easiest with least conflicts that has been my Job for the various companies I worked for(AT&T, Comcast, AOL Time Warner to name a Few) at all of the companies I have worked for we played and then discarded fire fox as to problematic. We advised Customers that the Support Was limited to IE and Netscape(ironically because it is owned by AOL and AOL Has contractual Agreements with all the large broadband providers)as does the rest of the major Broadband networks. I am currently in Training with Embarq who also discourage use of Fir Fox to it's customers due to compatibility issues with some sites and other programs. Point is Fire Fox is used by less then 20% of the people and as I know that CC is a loved site and there are probably other programs also used I would still say 60% of the user here most likely use IE, so why not make something that the majority can enjoy instead of Just the Fire Fox Loyal few. I am not trying to Diss Fire Fox even though my personal and professional experiences with it have been bad and I do avoid it, I understand that those of you that use it swear by Like Mac users over a PC, but again in general that is still a minority and the majority are being ignored because of your disdain for IE. I feel that if you are taking the time to develop that you want to reach the most people and the way it is right now you are not doing so.

[yeti_c]

Point is Fire Fox is used by less then 20% of the people

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Guess again...

Actually - Firefox is the most used browser available at the moment...

C.

[Soloman]

Point is Fire Fox is used by less then 20% of the people

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Guess again...

Actually - Firefox is the most used browser available at the moment...

C.

Highly erroneous here is some stats from cnet which is fairly accredited compared to the site you used which I never heard of
this is the site Cnet credits there report with using its data on its article.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0

this is the article that does state FireFox use in on the rise and refers to the real world stats of the 1st link
http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9971672-2.html

Ironically I just read a article that refers to this type of assumption used by students that the 1st web results they get are likely the most accurate.The problem is these same students are failing due to inaccuracies from those results...

[antony.trupe]

Point is Fire Fox is used by less then 20% of the people

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Guess again...

Actually - Firefox is the most used browser available at the moment...

C.

...the site you used which I never heard of...

Really? Ever heard of W3C?
Since you'd never heard of it before I'm glad you went and did some research before declaring your(hopefully now corrected) ignorance.

Regardless, if you add IE6 and IE7, the total is slightly ahead of FF according to w3cshools, and admittedly their numbers are biased because their audience is more technical and more likely to have multiple browsers installed and be using a technical/developer friendly browser.

[Soloman]

Point is Fire Fox is used by less then 20% of the people

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Guess again...

Actually - Firefox is the most used browser available at the moment...

C.

...the site you used which I never heard of...

Really? Ever heard of W3C?
Since you'd never heard of it before I'm glad you went and did some research before declaring your(hopefully now corrected) ignorance.

Regardless, if you add IE6 and IE7, the total is slightly ahead of FF according to w3cshools, and admittedly their numbers are biased because their audience is more technical and more likely to have multiple browsers installed and be using a technical/developer friendly browser.

In 14 years of tech support and And 3 years of college for my bachelors in information tech no I have never heard of that site w3schools it sounds like they are trying to tie themselves to the World Wide Web Consortium and yet another rip off link using name recognition to fool people but hey maybe I am wrong and they are just an obscure site with loose ties to W3C but I lean toward the rip off...

In addition the numbers on this schools site are dramatically skewed in the fact they are not a reflection of real world Internet users like the statistics CNet was so kind to provide. Even were I to concede that the people on site are more technical and thus the reason for the overtly biased and misleading statistics, the majority of Internet user on line and on this site are not programmers and would not fall into that category and those stats would be even less representative of the people here on CC as whole. I am not taking away from those that are Programmers here just reemphasizing they are the exception not the rule...

[yeti_c]

In 14 years of tech support and And 3 years of college for my bachelors in information tech no I have never heard of that site w3schools it sounds like they are trying to tie themselves to the World Wide Web Consortium and yet another rip off link using name recognition to fool people but hey maybe I am wrong and they are just an obscure site with loose ties to W3C but I lean toward the rip off...

Tech support?

Are you the sort of tech support who answers phones - and looks at a crib sheet?

If so - then you really have bought a knife to a gun fight.

C.

[Soloman]

In 14 years of tech support and And 3 years of college for my bachelors in information tech no I have never heard of that site w3schools it sounds like they are trying to tie themselves to the World Wide Web Consortium and yet another rip off link using name recognition to fool people but hey maybe I am wrong and they are just an obscure site with loose ties to W3C but I lean toward the rip off...

Tech support?

Are you the sort of tech support who answers phones - and looks at a crib sheet?

If so - then you really have bought a knife to a gun fight.

C.

As I said I am not a programmer, I support hardware, networks and software and to answer your question yes both over the phone and in the field, I resolve basic issues through fundamental trouble shooting, do virus sweeps and clean installs, hardware and software upgrades, build home and small business networks including installing major wiring, monitored issues in new plants when working for some companies, determine if issues are user, software or hardware etc. the crib sheets remark is a sad retort and would not have been needed had you read the previous posts but I understand you are on the defensive due to the fallacies you attempted to pass as reliable stats earlier. I base my statement on real world experience and facts from reliable accredited sources that are gathering there data from a much larger control group which has no anti Microsoft biases.

[yeti_c]

As I said I am not a programmer, I support hardware, networks and software and to answer your question yes both over the phone and in the field, I resolve basic issues through fundamental trouble shooting, do virus sweeps and clean installs, hardware and software upgrades, build home and small business networks including installing major wiring, monitored issues in new plants when working for some companies, determine if issues are user, software or hardware etc. the crib sheets remark is a sad retort and would not have been needed had you read the previous posts but I understand you are on the defensive due to the fallacies you attempted to pass as reliable stats earlier. I base my statement on real world experience and facts from reliable accredited sources that are gathering there data from a much larger control group which has no anti Microsoft biases.

1) Their
2) They are reliable stats and if you look at the site there is no MS Bias (pro or con) - I want to see you disprove them.
3) You have an MS bias.
4) I use both IE (general surfing) & FF (for CC).
5) Let me see your "reliable accredited sources" then?

C.

[Soloman]

As I said I am not a programmer, I support hardware, networks and software and to answer your question yes both over the phone and in the field, I resolve basic issues through fundamental trouble shooting, do virus sweeps and clean installs, hardware and software upgrades, build home and small business networks including installing major wiring, monitored issues in new plants when working for some companies, determine if issues are user, software or hardware etc. the crib sheets remark is a sad retort and would not have been needed had you read the previous posts but I understand you are on the defensive due to the fallacies you attempted to pass as reliable stats earlier. I base my statement on real world experience and facts from reliable accredited sources that are gathering there data from a much larger control group which has no anti Microsoft biases.

1) Their
2) They are reliable stats and if you look at the site there is no MS Bias (pro or con) - I want to see you disprove them.
3) You have an MS bias.
4) I use both IE (general surfing) & FF (for CC).
5) Let me see your "reliable accredited sources" then?

C.

I do not need to disprove them as they already have been go back to the last page and click on the link and you can see the reliable and accredited source...reading is fundamental...

I read further on your site you are quoting and they said this

Browsers that count for less than 0.5% are not listed.

W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over a five year period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends.


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further proving my point about the skewed stats maybe you should have read further before posting and attempting sarcasm when it is apparent you do not know what you are talking about...I love the irony of this suggestion being about stats then stats are what is argued on a different basis. So hopefully we can all agree that the average CC'er is not a programmer and falls into the category of a average Internet usesr, or do you have some obscure unaccredited biased proof against that also?

[lancehoch]

These posts were split off of the /Suggestion\ In-depth Players Stats. The discussion was getting off topic, but you can continue the discussion here.

[antony.trupe]

These posts were split off of the /Suggestion\ In-depth Players Stats. The discussion was getting off topic, but you can continue the discussion here.

Thanks lance.

Any chance CC keeps browser stats, and any chance they'd be willing to share?
I'm pretty sure everyone that uses BOB has to be using Firefox, and I imagine the more active players use BOB(or other greasemonkey scripts).

[antony.trupe]

4) I use both IE (general surfing) & FF (for CC).
C.

Sounds like yeti only uses Firefox for CC, which lends itself to the argument that as far as CC is concerned, there's a disproportionate number of users using FF vs IE then in the general population.
I will also point out that a single data point isn't a good representation to base an argument on, but no one has any more data points then anyone else, 'cept CC, who could have ALL the data points.
I also believe that w3school's numbers will be closer to CC's then the numbers for all of the interwebs.

Note:I'm discrediting my argument just as much, if not more, then Soloman's, for what that's worth.

[qeee1]

From a script point of view, I think it's more likely FF users will go to the bother of using scripts than IE users. Even if IE has a larger market share, its users are less likely to avail of the scripts, so in terms of catering to the target market it makes sense to make FF scripts.

Plus really its the developers perogative, and many of them may have an affinity for FF.

[MeDeFe]

I'm not a developer and still use Firefox. Does that make me a freak?

[jonesthecurl]

I'm not a developer and still use Firefox. Does that make me a freak?

No, that's not what makes you a freak. Think again...