ID cards

[jonesthecurl]

In any case, I believe that the only people who have anything to fear are the people who've done something wrong in the eyes of the state.

That's Ok if you trust the people in charge absolutely.
But even if you do, can you garuantee you'll trust whoever wins the next election? or the one in ten elections time?
This has been proposed over and over again and voted down by the very party that is now imposing it. Shame on them. Deep shame.

[Hologram]

In any case, I believe that the only people who have anything to fear are the people who've done something wrong in the eyes of the state.

That's Ok if you trust the people in charge absolutely.
But even if you do, can you garuantee you'll trust whoever wins the next election? or the one in ten elections time?
This has been proposed over and over again and voted down by the very party that is now imposing it. Shame on them. Deep shame.

Oh of course not! Never trust something as impersonal as government completely and wholly. But if you're not going to trust it you have to go one step further and question it. That means if you find something fishy you want to check it out. I guess that's the main reason I don't come down real hard on the conspiracy nuts because I know that if I found something as fishy as they do I'd be doing the exact same thing.

[2dimes]

This is something that will happen because to many people think it will reduce ID theft and make traking the "bad guys" easier.

[heavycola]

Don't worry Heavy they might not be able to operate the dole but they'll be able to miraculasly get this one right.

It's just a slightly bigger project than driver's licenses and while it's going to cost 5 times more than anticipated you'll have to get it unless you intend on becoming homeless and not having a bank account or buying anything like phone service, internet etc.

I know Jay's not popular or good at communicating it but I think he's on the right track with this.

Part of the point of it is to make it manditory and then eventually everyone's going to be so sick of having their identities, credit and bank accounts stolen by guys that have duplicated their ID cards, those that don't trust God wil pratically beg to be chipped or whatever it ends up being.

Yeah, i guess the idea is to make it impossible to function without one. But I'm still optimistic that enough people will resist. Resist! Seriously, apart from the 'oi, state, get out of my face' argument, there is no way i'm giving my personal details to civil servants to lose, sell, muddle, leave on trains etc!
One thing, i think, is that banks and other private institutions will resist it as much as possible. And anyway what's the worst that could happen - no driving licence and no passport. So what. We all need to stop flying and driving so much anyway...

[2dimes]

Stop flying and driving? I used to like you. Meany.

[albertq]

UK citizens are, from next year, going to be issued with compulsory ID cards.
What are your thoughts on this appalling intrusion by the state? Is anyone else planning a wee bit of civil disobedience when it comes down to it?

why is in an appalling intrusion? the only reason i'd object to something like that is if i wanted to commit a crime and knew that this would make it easier to catch me, which really is the only thing that makes me wary of ID cards. who cares if they have our data on a computer somewhere?

[albertq]

Apart from anything else, they don't work. I belive Spain has had a REASONABLY bad terrorism problem for years, and compulsory ID cards.
They are, at best, just a gimmick.
At worst, as Cola righty says, a terrible erosion if individual liberty.
They'll be banning the right to smoke next. Oh............

i believe you'll find those terrorists are spanish anyway

[jonesthecurl]

UK citizens are, from next year, going to be issued with compulsory ID cards.
What are your thoughts on this appalling intrusion by the state? Is anyone else planning a wee bit of civil disobedience when it comes down to it?

why is in an appalling intrusion? the only reason i'd object to something like that is if i wanted to commit a crime and knew that this would make it easier to catch me, which really is the only thing that makes me wary of ID cards. who cares if they have our data on a computer somewhere?

Depends if you trust 'them" absolutely.
I don' t have much faith in the current UK gov, and I'm pretty sure I'll have less in the next.

[Nobunaga]

... On the topic of intrusion but nada to do with ID cards... Blue Cross is preparing to make all their data (patient records) accessible to GOOGLE.

... Just google (haha, that just came out) +Google and +"Blue Cross". You'll see it.

... Just spooky.

... <edit> Just re-read the lead story. Not so bad, actually.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massac ... le_health/