South Korea People say FU to USA Beef

[btownmeggy]

No sorry no links. It has been about a year since I've read about GM foods. The only site I remember visiting is PSRAST.org. So I'm afraid that I would just be sifting through internet debri, same as you. or were you trying to 'get' me?

http://www.psrast.org

The disappearance of wild maize doesn't have anything to do with cancer. But it does show the potential dangers of allowing GM plants to cultivate outside of quarentine. This GM plant took over it's cousins.

I guess I was trying to "get" you, though you did come up with a very decent single example.

I am one of those rare breeds of hippie that loves GMOs, I suppose. I don't love the business practices that surround them (and all other forms of "intellectual property"), but I believe that they (and many (most?) other forms of "intellectual property") have more benefits than drawbacks (within my idealized scenario of knowledge sharing, certainly, but maybe without it as well).

[got tonkaed]

I think id stand a far better chance at it if i didnt eat primarily processed garbage. I actually did a fair job of posing as a vegetarian at the summer camp i worked at, because there were at least non-meat options that i could go with. Basically i need to make enough money for a chef.

[jonesthecurl]

go vegetarian - avoid making your stomach a rotting graveyard - will also avoid bowel cancer too!

Go vegetarian - turn your stomach into a compost heap.

[btownmeggy]

I think id stand a far better chance at it if i didnt eat primarily processed garbage. I actually did a fair job of posing as a vegetarian at the summer camp i worked at, because there were at least non-meat options that i could go with. Basically i need to make enough money for a chef.

http://www.seeveggiesdifferently.com/

GO! NOW!

[2dimes]

This is Cattle country and I grew up eating them. I don't know if I could stop. I was off pork for several years but I chomp them tasty piggies too now. Being that most of the stuff I had growing up was free range from my Grandmother and her second hubbies farm I can tell the hormone stuff my wife likes apart from human consumption grade beef.

However I'll eat a big mac on occasion and it's not going to get worse than that. Fact: they are much better in France for some reason.

[btownmeggy]

This is Cattle country and I grew up eating them. I don't know if I could stop. I was off pork for several years but I chomp them tasty piggies too now. Being that most of the stuff I had growing up was free range from my Grandmother and her second hubbies farm I can tell the hormone stuff my wife likes apart from human consumption grade beef.

However I'll eat a big mac on occasion and it's not going to get worse than that. Fact: they are much better in France for some reason.

Pork is the hardest for me. It's just... so... damn... good. I expressed such sentiment on the barbeque thread. I'm sincere.

My parents live on a farm, you know. They're old these days and mostly just produce vegetables and chicken products. My parents' eggs are a different world than store brand, even than $5/dozen organic/free-range shiz. They let the chickies out every day to graze the five acres that comprise their and my sister's backyards, basically as a form of pest control. Their yolks are yellow-YELLOW. They're so rich they keep you from eating more than are good for you. And Mumsy sells them for $1.50 on the side of the road and to the local grocery store.

So far as international McDonalds: Do y'all's McD's offer veggie burgers? They do in podunk Brasil, but not in Austin, Texas! Why??

[got tonkaed]

Im gonna guess the brilliant market researches at the golden arches believe the good people in Austin Texas have no interest in the veggie burger. As far as i know (im not really a mcdonalds eater) they dont have them in the metro Detroit area.

Also, i may consider trying to do the veggie thing again, once i decide whether or not i enjoy the korean seafood fare.

[jonesthecurl]

This is Cattle country and I grew up eating them. I don't know if I could stop. I was off pork for several years but I chomp them tasty piggies too now. Being that most of the stuff I had growing up was free range from my Grandmother and her second hubbies farm I can tell the hormone stuff my wife likes apart from human consumption grade beef.

However I'll eat a big mac on occasion and it's not going to get worse than that. Fact: they are much better in France for some reason.

Pork is the hardest for me. It's just... so... damn... good. I expressed such sentiment on the barbeque thread. I'm sincere.

My parents live on a farm, you know. They're old these days and mostly just produce vegetables and chicken products. My parents' eggs are a different world than store brand, even than $5/dozen organic/free-range shiz. They let the chickies out every day to graze the five acres that comprise their and my sister's backyards, basically as a form of pest control. Their yolks are yellow-YELLOW. They're so rich they keep you from eating more than are good for you. And Mumsy sells them for $1.50 on the side of the road and to the local grocery store.

So far as international McDonalds: Do y'all's McD's offer veggie burgers? They do in podunk Brasil, but not in Austin, Texas! Why??

I have a bunch of veggie, and vegan, friends back in the UK. They all refuse to eat at McD's because the veggie burgers are cooked on the same hotplates as the meat ones, and are thus inescapably imbued with animal fats.

I, on the other hand refuse to eat beneath the Golden Arches because it's shit. And I won't eat shit.

[got tonkaed]

Also since it deserves a separate post...

tzor: given the way we operationalized the foreign policy of the Bush administration it makes little sense to take troops out of south korea for any reason, especially until north korea disarms. If there was such a thing as credibility to the foreign policy decisions of this administration, deciding to abandon a democratic nation who is bordered by one of the "axis of evil" over beef...is well not quite kosher.

[Neoteny]

No sorry no links. It has been about a year since I've read about GM foods. The only site I remember visiting is PSRAST.org. So I'm afraid that I would just be sifting through internet debri, same as you. or were you trying to 'get' me?

http://www.psrast.org

The disappearance of wild maize doesn't have anything to do with cancer. But it does show the potential dangers of allowing GM plants to cultivate outside of quarentine. This GM plant took over it's cousins.

ACK!!!

Hazardous genes from GE foods that you eat can become inserted into your own genes

These people need to take some genetics classes. Juan, I will give you a private lesson on genetic engineering, if you want. Statements like the above are utter nonsense.

[Juan_Bottom]

No sorry no links. It has been about a year since I've read about GM foods. The only site I remember visiting is PSRAST.org. So I'm afraid that I would just be sifting through internet debri, same as you. or were you trying to 'get' me?

http://www.psrast.org

The disappearance of wild maize doesn't have anything to do with cancer. But it does show the potential dangers of allowing GM plants to cultivate outside of quarentine. This GM plant took over it's cousins.

ACK!!!

Hazardous genes from GE foods that you eat can become inserted into your own genes

These people need to take some genetics classes. Juan, I will give you a private lesson on genetic engineering, if you want. Statements like the above are utter nonsense.

WTF???? Did that come from PSRAST???? Holy crap! That wasn't there before! Now I look like a douche....

In fact, that is probably the dumbest argument against GE foods that I have ever heard.
So if I eat a lot of GE carrots, I'll become a carrot too???? HUHHUHhuh

[Neoteny]

No sorry no links. It has been about a year since I've read about GM foods. The only site I remember visiting is PSRAST.org. So I'm afraid that I would just be sifting through internet debri, same as you. or were you trying to 'get' me?

http://www.psrast.org

The disappearance of wild maize doesn't have anything to do with cancer. But it does show the potential dangers of allowing GM plants to cultivate outside of quarentine. This GM plant took over it's cousins.

ACK!!!

Hazardous genes from GE foods that you eat can become inserted into your own genes

These people need to take some genetics classes. Juan, I will give you a private lesson on genetic engineering, if you want. Statements like the above are utter nonsense.

WTF???? Did that come from PSRAST???? Holy crap! That wasn't there before! Now I look like a douche....

In fact, that is probably the dumbest argument against GE foods that I have ever heard.
So if I eat a lot of GE carrots, I'll become a carrot too???? HUHHUHhuh

No kidding. Ironically, so was this...

Warning for disinformation at the internet. Corporations systematically misuse the internet for confusing people about issues and organizations that threaten their interests.

Anyhow, you live and you learn.

[tzor]

WTF???? Did that come from PSRAST???? Holy crap! That wasn't there before! Now I look like a douche....

In fact, that is probably the dumbest argument against GE foods that I have ever heard.
So if I eat a lot of GE carrots, I'll become a carrot too???? HUHHUHhuh

I don't know how dumb it is. I thought that I heard somewherer that DNA fragments from foods eaten can migrate into host cells and continue to produce whatever proteens they were originally generating. It's not that you will bcome a carrot, but some cells may start producing some proteens generally produced by carrots. Unfortunately I think this was about six months ago on NPR so I don't think I can ....

BINGO - Hold your cards please, we have a BINGO called! Oh rats. Or in this case oh mice.

Food-Ingested Foreign DNA Survives the Gastrointestinal Tract - Cancer Weekly - March 3rd, 1997 "The gastrointestinal tract of mice does not completely degrade food-ingested foreign DNA."

[muy_thaiguy]

So far as international McDonalds: Do y'all's McD's offer veggie burgers? They do in podunk Brasil, but not in Austin, Texas! Why??

Well for one, it's Texas. That alone should give you more then a suitable answer.

As for veggie burger, good luck finding a vegetarian restaurant in the entire state of Wyoming (Jackson Hole I'm unsure of, but then again, Jackson Hole is quite a bit different then the rest of the state).

[btownmeggy]

Well for one, it's Texas. That alone should give you more then a suitable answer.

But, it's the San Francisco of the South!

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new ... _nickname/

[muy_thaiguy]

Well for one, it's Texas. That alone should give you more then a suitable answer.

But, it's the San Francisco of the South!

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new ... _nickname/

It's still Texas.

[btownmeggy]

Well for one, it's Texas. That alone should give you more then a suitable answer.

But, it's the San Francisco of the South!

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new ... _nickname/

It's still Texas.

You're right. Pretty much sums it up.

[spurgistan]

The article never specifically mentions Mad Cow, or even genetically modified organisms. Is it possible that their refusing to lift the ban on imported US beef stems from the astonishingly unsanitary way that beef is processed?

[Juan_Bottom]

WTF???? Did that come from PSRAST???? Holy crap! That wasn't there before! Now I look like a douche....

In fact, that is probably the dumbest argument against GE foods that I have ever heard.
So if I eat a lot of GE carrots, I'll become a carrot too???? HUHHUHhuh

I don't know how dumb it is. I thought that I heard somewherer that DNA fragments from foods eaten can migrate into host cells and continue to produce whatever proteens they were originally generating. It's not that you will bcome a carrot, but some cells may start producing some proteens generally produced by carrots. Unfortunately I think this was about six months ago on NPR so I don't think I can ....

BINGO - Hold your cards please, we have a BINGO called! Oh rats. Or in this case oh mice.

Food-Ingested Foreign DNA Survives the Gastrointestinal Tract - Cancer Weekly - March 3rd, 1997 "The gastrointestinal tract of mice does not completely degrade food-ingested foreign DNA."

Personally, I find this to be amazing, though difficult to understand(as applied). Can't believe that everyone has ignored this post.

[Neoteny]

WTF???? Did that come from PSRAST???? Holy crap! That wasn't there before! Now I look like a douche....

In fact, that is probably the dumbest argument against GE foods that I have ever heard.
So if I eat a lot of GE carrots, I'll become a carrot too???? HUHHUHhuh

I don't know how dumb it is. I thought that I heard somewherer that DNA fragments from foods eaten can migrate into host cells and continue to produce whatever proteens they were originally generating. It's not that you will bcome a carrot, but some cells may start producing some proteens generally produced by carrots. Unfortunately I think this was about six months ago on NPR so I don't think I can ....

BINGO - Hold your cards please, we have a BINGO called! Oh rats. Or in this case oh mice.

Food-Ingested Foreign DNA Survives the Gastrointestinal Tract - Cancer Weekly - March 3rd, 1997 "The gastrointestinal tract of mice does not completely degrade food-ingested foreign DNA."

Personally, I find this to be amazing, though difficult to understand(as applied). Can't believe that everyone has ignored this post.

Here's the actual paper, if anyone is interested.

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/94/3/961.pdf

The implications from this might lead to what Tzor may have heard, but this is also an eleven year-old paper, so I would imagine some further research has been done. Anyhow, I imagine the odds of incorporating DNA into a cells genome are slim to none and even if it happens, it's one cell, and it can be fixed. We're requiring massive amounts of infiltration to have even a notable effect, I'd imagine.

In case anyone is curious, here are a few peer-reviewed articles I looked up.

Study of GM corn and chickens found chloroplast DNA (asserted that this occurs constantly, implying that if rogue DNA was hazardous, we'd probably see the effects). No recombinant DNA, which means that the whole process is probably a matter of luck.

Still no luck finding transgenic proteins. I suppose these aren't representative in that they are the free ones from the academic search I use, so they may be a bit dated too.

A review on GM foods from the British Medical Journal.

Anyone have any requests?