ID cards

by **heavycola** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:33 am

UK citizens are, from next year, going to be issued with compulsory ID cards.
What are your thoughts on this appalling intrusion by the state? Is anyone else planning a wee bit of civil disobedience when it comes down to it?

by **static_ice** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:38 am

A kid in art made a funny piece about our school ID's... wish it were up on the net. It said "Wear your ID around your neck" and depicted a man being hung by his lanyard.

And yes that is the only related thing that comes to mind.

by **rhoges6** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:50 am

I'm an American so I'm not sure what the ID card is exactly. Is it that much different from a driver's liscence? What's it used for?

by **lozzini** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:59 am

Identity card

name age all that sort of stuff, so everyone can prove who they are

except people who fake them

basically having them will make eveen more identity fruad

yay #-o

by **rhoges6** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:06 am

lozzini wrote:Identity card

name age all that sort of stuff, so everyone can prove who they are

except people who fake them

basically having them will make eveen more identity fruad

yay

yeah, i figured that, but my question is aren't they the same thing as driver's liscences? or do you guys not have liscenses like the US does? is it not just some terribly invasive way of rooting out illegal aliens, or is that the point?

by **MeDeFe** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:12 am

Will they be electronically readable? Because if so everyone should refuse and threaten to burn every MP voting for it at the stake.

by **heavycola** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:13 am

rhoges6 wrote:
lozzini wrote:Identity card

name age all that sort of stuff, so everyone can prove who they are

except people who fake them

basically having them will make eveen more identity fruad

yay

yeah, i figured that, but my question is aren't they the same thing as driver's liscences? or do you guys not have liscenses like the US does? is it not just some terribly invasive way of rooting out illegal aliens, or is that the point?

The ID-ea (LOLZZZ) is to establish a database, on which will be stored information on every citizen - fingerprints, eligibility to work, loads of stuff. So fi you want to travel, open a bank account, pay taxes, claim beneifts, whatever it is, you will need toproduce yoru ID. And yes it's supposed to deter terrorists. But our govt has a terrible record with IT and they are going to screw these up. And hopefully loads of people are going to refuse to carry them at all. It'll go tits up. You read it here first.

by **Ntetos** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:20 am

Here they are compulsory and it's not a problem.

by **rhoges6** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:44 am

Ntetos wrote:Here they are compulsory and it's not a problem.

Donde esta "aqui"? (Where is "here"?)

by **Ntetos** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:47 am

Greece

by **jennifermarie** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:06 am

Didn't the British gov lose a bunch of sensative information not too long ago?? I'd be worried that my info could "disappear" and end up in the wrong hands

by **heavycola** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:26 am

jennifermarie wrote:Didn't the British gov lose a bunch of sensative information not too long ago?? I'd be worried that my info could "disappear" and end up in the wrong hands

Yep. Several times. They are a bunch of incompetents really. Why on earth they think they can organise and manage something of thsi scale and sensitivity is a triumph of hope over experience.
You'd be right to be worried. They can stick their ID cards up their arse.

by **jay_a2j** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:28 am

heavycola wrote:UK citizens are, from next year, going to be issued with compulsory ID cards.
What are your thoughts on this appalling intrusion by the state? Is anyone else planning a wee bit of civil disobedience when it comes down to it?

We tried to tell you. It will get much worse HC.

by **AlgyTaylor** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:54 am

But, but, but ... it'll stop suicide bombers, because they'll be really pissed off about their benefits being stopped after they've blown themselves to bits ...

ID cards. Um. No. Shall oppose it fully.

by **heavycola** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:47 am

jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote:UK citizens are, from next year, going to be issued with compulsory ID cards.
What are your thoughts on this appalling intrusion by the state? Is anyone else planning a wee bit of civil disobedience when it comes down to it?

We tried to tell you. It will get much worse HC.

No no no, you don't understand. The UK government and its civil service are, when it comes to projects like this, utterly incompetent. Utterly. It will be a farce, not a precursor to the implanting of slave chips in our frontal lobes. It will be FUNNAY, except from the poitn fo view of teh taxpayer who is going to fund this nonsense.

by **jay_a2j** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:03 am

heavycola wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote:UK citizens are, from next year, going to be issued with compulsory ID cards.
What are your thoughts on this appalling intrusion by the state? Is anyone else planning a wee bit of civil disobedience when it comes down to it?

We tried to tell you. It will get much worse HC.

No no no, you don't understand. The UK government and its civil service are, when it comes to projects like this, utterly incompetent. Utterly. It will be a farce, not a precursor to the implanting of slave chips in our frontal lobes. It will be FUNNAY, except from the poitn fo view of teh taxpayer who is going to fund this nonsense.

If you don't get your head out of the sand soon, you'll suffocate! :shock:

by **muy_thaiguy** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:05 am

jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote:UK citizens are, from next year, going to be issued with compulsory ID cards.
What are your thoughts on this appalling intrusion by the state? Is anyone else planning a wee bit of civil disobedience when it comes down to it?

We tried to tell you. It will get much worse HC.

No no no, you don't understand. The UK government and its civil service are, when it comes to projects like this, utterly incompetent. Utterly. It will be a farce, not a precursor to the implanting of slave chips in our frontal lobes. It will be FUNNAY, except from the poitn fo view of teh taxpayer who is going to fund this nonsense.

If you don't get your head out of the sand soon, you'll suffocate!

by **joecoolfrog** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:32 am

MeDeFe wrote:Will they be electronically readable? Because if so everyone should refuse and threaten to burn every MP voting for it at the stake.

Yep and thats the problem, straight forward ID is fine with me but not when there is such huge potential for abuse as there is with readable cards.

by **glide** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:46 am

British Columbia has recently issued new style Drivers Licenses to us all.....with a handy little magnetic strip on the back, and no doubt a microchip in the hologram somehow.....big brother is worldwide, and he sucks.

by **Nobunaga** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:49 am

heavycola wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote:UK citizens are, from next year, going to be issued with compulsory ID cards.
What are your thoughts on this appalling intrusion by the state? Is anyone else planning a wee bit of civil disobedience when it comes down to it?

We tried to tell you. It will get much worse HC.

No no no, you don't understand. The UK government and its civil service are, when it comes to projects like this, utterly incompetent. Utterly. It will be a farce, not a precursor to the implanting of slave chips in our frontal lobes. It will be FUNNAY, except from the poitn fo view of teh taxpayer who is going to fund this nonsense.

... So is the US gov't learning this from the UK, or the other way around?

by **Juan_Bottom** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:59 am

I have been following this as best I can, especially since the U.S. plans to do it too. Is this I.D. card some type of precurser to 'chipping?' I haven't been able to find out, what happens when you use the I.D. card.

For example, if I would use the I.D. to buy a bottle of Brandy, is there a database somewhere where that purchase information will be sent to automaticaly? And if I use it to take a cab, will that info be stored as well? This is what the U.S. wants. But is this what the Brits are doing?

by **Gypsys Kiss** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:31 pm

Just heard on the news that some more sensitive info was left on a train. Somethng to do with bin laden, and they want me to have an ID card. Ha not if I can help it.

by **suggs** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:05 pm

Apart from anything else, they don't work. I belive Spain has had a REASONABLY bad terrorism problem for years, and compulsory ID cards.
They are, at best, just a gimmick.
At worst, as Cola righty says, a terrible erosion if individual liberty.
They'll be banning the right to smoke next. Oh............

by **Hologram** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:05 pm

Well, I gave up my rights to privacy when I joined the Marine Corps, but for these ID cards, they're not the first country to implement this and they probably won't be the last.

As for the intrusion of the state, yeah they're walking a fine line and it makes it that much easier for "BB" to gaze into your life and track you down, but at the same time, the benefits of being able to track down criminals much easier may outweigh these potential violations of human liberties.

It really just boils down to an argument of principle vs. pragmatism. I mean, I doubt that the government will start spying on every single person now just because of these ID cards, but the mere idea that the government *could* be watching you and pull you over at any time, check your papers, and arrest you on some charge is what gets people riled up, not whether or not they actually will.

In any case, I believe that the only people who have anything to fear are the people who've done something wrong in the eyes of the state.

by **2dimes** on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:28 pm

Don't worry Heavy they might not be able to operate the dole but they'll be able to miraculasly get this one right.

It's just a slightly bigger project than driver's licenses and while it's going to cost 5 times more than anticipated you'll have to get it unless you intend on becoming homeless and not having a bank account or buying anything like phone service, internet etc.

I know Jay's not popular or good at communicating it but I think he's on the right track with this.

Part of the point of it is to make it manditory and then eventually everyone's going to be so sick of having their identities, credit and bank accounts stolen by guys that have duplicated their ID cards, those that don't trust God wil pratically beg to be chipped or whatever it ends up being.