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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:23 pm

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Anarkistsdream wrote:Again, I make the claim that 'got' is a lazy man's word... Or, in your case, lazy absolutely gorgeous woman's word.

Instead of 'I'll get that,' say 'I will do that.' 'I will retrieve that.' 'I will obtain that.' etc.

Got is for people who have a small vocabulary or don't like to think when they talk.

Now, as I said, I am horribly guilty of it. However, I stand by my point.

Got is one word that is used to replace bigger, more complex, yet more descriptive words.


So it's a word with many meanings and many synonyms. Fair enough.

It's still a word with an irregular participle called "gotten".

Do people really say "I've got that before" and simultaneously look-down upon people who use "gotten" correctly? I figured the "I've got" crowd were just general ill-spoken-bums.


...and nobody whatsoever believes that someone who says "I will obtain that" rather than "I'll get that" is a self-important pompous prig with an inflated ego. Do they? :-k
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:30 pm

Oh, hush, Jones... I was making a point. As I have stated, I am terribly guilty of it...

Asshole. :lol:
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby mandyb on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:39 pm

Got is used more by the English than by the Americans.

e.g. I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts. (English)
I have a lovely bunch of coconuts. (American)

Either are fine, although the former does go better with music.

Narky, you haven't got a clue mate.
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:45 pm

mandyb wrote:Got is used more by the English than by the Americans.

e.g. I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts. (English)
I have a lovely bunch of coconuts. (American)

Either are fine, although the former does go better with music.

Narky, you haven't got a clue mate.
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A clue about what, lovely lady?
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby btownmeggy on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:46 pm

Mmmm, "I've got"!

Now that's a weird one! I say that too. What does it MEAN? It's just the present tense. Odd.
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:50 pm

btownmeggy wrote:Mmmm, "I've got"!

Now that's a weird one! I say that too. What does it MEAN? It's just the present tense. Odd.

Needless word is what it is...

Saying "I have a ball" is the same as saying "I have got a ball"
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby mandyb on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:53 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
Again, I make the claim that 'got' is a lazy man's word... Or, in your case, lazy absolutely gorgeous woman's word.

Instead of 'I'll get that,' say 'I will do that.' 'I will retrieve that.' 'I will obtain that.' etc.

Got is for people who have a small vocabulary or don't like to think when they talk.

Now, as I said, I am horribly guilty of it. However, I stand by my point.

Got is one word that is used to replace bigger, more complex, yet more descriptive words.

about this
You've got the 'lovely' bit spot on though. :)

@ meggy - yeah, it's just one of those superfluous words - it doesn't add anything to the meaning of the sentence ususally, but we English seem to like it.....and I guess the Canadians too?
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:55 pm

Hey Mandy... Wanna send me a soundbite of your voice? British accents are SEXYYYYY...

I keep trying to get Nagerous to do it, but he says he doesn't sound lady-like. ;)
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby mandyb on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:57 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Hey Mandy... Wanna send me a soundbite of your voice? British accents are SEXYYYYY...

I keep trying to get Nagerous to do it, but he says he doesn't sound lady-like. ;)


Bugger off, yank!!
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby btownmeggy on Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:00 pm

"CC Accents Project". Sounds grrrrreat!

If others will participate, I'm willing to kick it off tonight.
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby Napoleon Ier on Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:03 pm

I often wonder how pronounced my accent is.
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:19 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Oh, hush, Jones... I was making a point. As I have stated, I am terribly guilty of it...

Asshole. :lol:


Now, in English English, we say "arsehole". Arsehole. ;)
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby Kinnison on Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:56 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Yes, and I want to know how you feel about the word AIN'T. And your opinion will influence my use of the word.


In the hullabaloo of English accents and arseholes (draw your own conclusions as to causation or lack thereof, I imply nothing), this question seems to have been forgotten.

The first citation of "ain't" I find is early 1700's. Oddly, specifically noted as 1706, but no source for the precise date is given. At that time, it was considered proper English, as a contraction of "am not". In the early 19th century, it took on the colloquial meanings (noted in the works of Dickens, at least) of "are not", "is not", and other negative terms; specifically in the Cockney dialect. As a result, the word proceeded to become 'unofficial'. To this day, it is noted as 'nonstandard'. Its usage is purportedly primarily among the less-educated. it is also fairly common among the educated seeking informality in speech, particularly in the American South. I cannot personally attest to the currency of usage in London dialects in the current day.

Residing in the American South, I admit to using the word in informal speech, occasionally upon reflex. I avoid using it (or other Southern colloquialisms) in any written medium, save only to make a point by imbuing a missive with a specific tone. The ever-popular meme of leading in to a potentially suicidal maneuver (be in in a CC game or elsewhere) with "Hey, y'all, watch this," being a case in point. :P
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby InkL0sed on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:12 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:I don't know what you mean, good sir.


Surely you do, dear leader.

Frigidus wrote:What?


You forgot the word 'know.' ;)


What are you talking about?
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:49 pm

Kinnison wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Yes, and I want to know how you feel about the word AIN'T. And your opinion will influence my use of the word.


In the hullabaloo of English accents and arseholes (draw your own conclusions as to causation or lack thereof, I imply nothing), this question seems to have been forgotten.

The first citation of "ain't" I find is early 1700's. Oddly, specifically noted as 1706, but no source for the precise date is given. At that time, it was considered proper English, as a contraction of "am not". In the early 19th century, it took on the colloquial meanings (noted in the works of Dickens, at least) of "are not", "is not", and other negative terms; specifically in the Cockney dialect. As a result, the word proceeded to become 'unofficial'. To this day, it is noted as 'nonstandard'. Its usage is purportedly primarily among the less-educated. it is also fairly common among the educated seeking informality in speech, particularly in the American South. I cannot personally attest to the currency of usage in London dialects in the current day.

Residing in the American South, I admit to using the word in informal speech, occasionally upon reflex. I avoid using it (or other Southern colloquialisms) in any written medium, save only to make a point by imbuing a missive with a specific tone. The ever-popular meme of leading in to a potentially suicidal maneuver (be in in a CC game or elsewhere) with "Hey, y'all, watch this," being a case in point. :P


Thank-you,
This was very informative. I knew that it was once acceptable, proper English. But 1706! Wow!

But I will no longer use it in a proper discussion, thank you!
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby InkL0sed on Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:34 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Oh, hush, Jones... I was making a point. As I have stated, I am terribly guilty of it...

Asshole. :lol:


Now, in English English, we say "arsehole". Arsehole. ;)


Incomplete sentences: Exhibit A.
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby fireedud on Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:44 pm

InkL0sed wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Oh, hush, Jones... I was making a point. As I have stated, I am terribly guilty of it...

Asshole. :lol:


Now, in English English, we say "arsehole". Arsehole. ;)


Incomplete sentences: Exhibit A.


This is another example of a sentence fragment.
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby 3mp3r0r on Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:08 pm

In my opinion 'proper' english, which is what I am assuming this topic is being based, is to politically correct and confusing if spelt/gramatificated too intently;
Kinnison wrote:In the hullabaloo of English accents and arseholes (draw your own conclusions as to causation or lack thereof, I imply nothing), this question seems to have been forgotten

This example portrays a little of what I am trying to inform you. With the simple bracketted section of this sentence -which I have programmed to show as bold- is there strictly for one word to be seen as 'correct' began to confuse my fatiged adolescent cranium and enforced me to read it a number of times to understand it without confusion
Also, I believe that if one takes their time to write out 'correctly', then one will in general write for too long and also will write more than would be necessary

(what is stated above but in my regular linguastical writing)
imo english, which is what this is about, is OTT and confusing if focused on to much
Kinnison wrote:In the hullabaloo of English accents and arseholes (draw your own conclusions as to causation or lack thereof, I imply nothing), this question seems to have been forgotten

that shows exactly what i mean coz the part with brackets confused me and after rereading it wrote this
dont bother writing properly leave it to the pros or you'll waste time and paper
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby InkL0sed on Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:19 pm

fireedud wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Oh, hush, Jones... I was making a point. As I have stated, I am terribly guilty of it...

Asshole. :lol:


Now, in English English, we say "arsehole". Arsehole. ;)


Incomplete sentences: Exhibit A.


This is another example of a sentence fragment.


No shit, Sherlock.

As for dear Emperor here, the mistakes are a little much to list in a night.
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:22 pm

3mp3r0r wrote:In my opinion 'proper' english, which is what I am assuming this topic is being based, is to politically correct and confusing if spelt/gramatificated too intently;
Kinnison wrote:In the hullabaloo of English accents and arseholes (draw your own conclusions as to causation or lack thereof, I imply nothing), this question seems to have been forgotten

This example portrays a little of what I am trying to inform you. With the simple bracketted section of this sentence -which I have programmed to show as bold- is there strictly for one word to be seen as 'correct' began to confuse my fatiged adolescent cranium and enforced me to read it a number of times to understand it without confusion
Also, I believe that if one takes their time to write out 'correctly', then one will in general write for too long and also will write more than would be necessary

(what is stated above but in my regular linguastical writing)
imo english, which is what this is about, is OTT and confusing if focused on to much
Kinnison wrote:In the hullabaloo of English accents and arseholes (draw your own conclusions as to causation or lack thereof, I imply nothing), this question seems to have been forgotten

that shows exactly what i mean coz the part with brackets confused me and after rereading it wrote this
dont bother writing properly leave it to the pros or you'll waste time and paper

Sorry, could you rephrase that so that I can understand it?
Incidentally, the topic at the heart of the query was the appropriateness or otherwise of "ain't".
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby 3mp3r0r on Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:23 pm

InkL0sed wrote:As for dear Emperor here, the mistakes are a little much to list in a night.


yes. but im tired so i gots me an excuse
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Re: The Literacy Project

Postby Kinnison on Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:07 am

3mp3r0r wrote:In my opinion 'proper' english, which is what I am assuming this topic is being based, is to politically correct and confusing if spelt/gramatificated too intently;

Let me address the INTENT of your reply. I'll hit up the substance of it in the next post.

Yes, I agree that it is possible to be overly formal. An appropriate level of formality is dependent on the type of communication selected, and the image the communicator wishes to project. Yes, for the purposes of this thread, I am being FAR more 'stuffy' and 'formal' than i would be elsewhere. My in-game chat is quite informal, and is equipped with spelling errors, I assure you.

The goal of this thread is to express that we of the Spelling and Grammar Nazis believe that forum communication is NOT intended to be as informal as, say, a text message. Some degree of readability should be present in forum posts, and it is our goal to try and instill that level. We go far beyond that on occasion, because we choose to do so. While it might be entertaining to have a forum that appears, for a day, to have been written with the intent of appearing on 'Masterpiece Theatre', it is not a realistic goal.
3mp3r0r wrote:
Kinnison wrote:In the hullabaloo of English accents and arseholes (draw your own conclusions as to causation or lack thereof, I imply nothing), this question seems to have been forgotten

This example portrays a little of what I am trying to inform you. With the simple bracketted section of this sentence -which I have programmed to show as bold- is there strictly for one word to be seen as 'correct' began to confuse my fatiged adolescent cranium and enforced me to read it a number of times to understand it without confusion

Oddly, that entire sentence you quoted was intended as nothing more than a throwaway introduction to a question someone had posed which had been forgotten in the progress of the thread. The formatting and language of it was designed to give an air of propriety, lending further authority to the reply.
3mp3r0r wrote:Also, I believe that if one takes their time to write out 'correctly', then one will in general write for too long and also will write more than would be necessary

If you mean, 'necessary for the bare communication of facts', then I agree with your assessment. However, while the ultimate purpose of language is to communicate information, the idea of information encompasses so much more than mere facts. The impressions gained of the speaker and their attachment to the information imparted that are received in a spoken conversation are almost entirely lost in the simplest forms of written communication. Writing in this style does require a bit more effort, true. But it imparts much more emotion and feeling to the communication.

Personally, I do not ask everyone to write in an excessively verbose style. ...Frankly, we'd never get anything done. :) I do ask simply that you take a moment to proofread the things that you write here, and to quickly correct any blatant errors you see in that process.
3mp3r0r wrote:(what is stated above but in my regular linguastical writing)
imo english, which is what this is about, is OTT and confusing if focused on to much
Kinnison wrote:In the hullabaloo of English accents and arseholes (draw your own conclusions as to causation or lack thereof, I imply nothing), this question seems to have been forgotten

that shows exactly what i mean coz the part with brackets confused me and after rereading it wrote this
dont bother writing properly leave it to the pros or you'll waste time and paper
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