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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Frigidus on Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:28 pm

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CoffeeCream wrote:I'm sure Jay will find a way to say this isn't true but I'll post it anyway in regards to the plane that hit the Pentagon.

The plane vaporized for the most part but we did find debris


Careful friend, Jay isn't the only loon on CC. Actually, I think that the idea of two jets vaporizing is silly too. The engines alone were 12tons a piece and made of Titanium. Of millions of plane crashes, the only times ever in the history of aviation that a plane ever vaporized was on 911. And it happened twice. I just can't fathom how kerosene would vaporize a jet. Twice.

And the reason the pentagon won't release the footage(other than 3 frames) is that it is a matter of national security. But I don't understand how it is either. All the data on the damage is public, so I don't get it either.


I am not dissing you, I just want you to see this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65ZtV-bB5M


WHOA! Hold on, are you admitting that we wouldn't have found much of the plane left in the pentagon?!?! HOLY SHIT! OK, now I'm worried that the government actually has taken over, this must be a puppet DaGip.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby DaGip on Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:28 pm

InkL0sed wrote:Whatever Michael Moore is thinking, we can rest assured that he is a paradigm of objectivity and reason. An Enlightenment Man, if you will.


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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby DaGip on Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:31 pm

Frigidus wrote:
DaGip wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
CoffeeCream wrote:I'm sure Jay will find a way to say this isn't true but I'll post it anyway in regards to the plane that hit the Pentagon.

The plane vaporized for the most part but we did find debris


Careful friend, Jay isn't the only loon on CC. Actually, I think that the idea of two jets vaporizing is silly too. The engines alone were 12tons a piece and made of Titanium. Of millions of plane crashes, the only times ever in the history of aviation that a plane ever vaporized was on 911. And it happened twice. I just can't fathom how kerosene would vaporize a jet. Twice.

And the reason the pentagon won't release the footage(other than 3 frames) is that it is a matter of national security. But I don't understand how it is either. All the data on the damage is public, so I don't get it either.


I am not dissing you, I just want you to see this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65ZtV-bB5M



WHOA! Hold on, are you admitting that we wouldn't have found much of the plane left in the pentagon?!?! HOLY SHIT! OK, now I'm worried that the government actually has taken over, this must be a puppet DaGip.


Well, the video DOES show what would happen with a jet flying 500 MPH into a solid concrete reinforced wall...but what type of wall was the Pentagon? And where are all the videos? I am just showing evidence that the government would show you that planes do indeed vaporize on impact...but that was against a reinforced concrete slab, similar to the ones that protect nuclear power plants.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Simon Viavant on Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:51 pm

Somebody seems to like throwing around the term "America hater" What exactly does that mean? Bush hater? Hater of the stereotypical American? Hater of American culture? btw, have any of you who are slamming Michael Moore actually seen his films?
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:11 pm

Sorry DaGip, but I can't whatch videos...

Another concern about vaporized jets though, maybe someone can explain this to me because I am not being pessimistic here--How did they identify the bodies? The morticion for Shanksville said he couldn't even find a drop of blood.....?
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby jay_a2j on Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:36 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Sorry DaGip, but I can't whatch videos...

Another concern about vaporized jets though, maybe someone can explain this to me because I am not being pessimistic here--How did they identify the bodies? The morticion for Shanksville said he couldn't even find a drop of blood.....?



The plot thickens.... see when you tell one lie...you spend all your time covering up and covering up and covering up......


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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:54 pm

MM's website says that if he could vote, Obama would be his man.


But there is no new info on the site about this new Fahrenheit movie. Everything is from '04 or '05.

So this raises the questions, doesn't he want any information to get out. A little publicity perhaps?
Or, has he abandoned the project?
There is some recent stuff elsewhere, but none on his site.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Snorri1234 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:07 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:MM's website says that if he could vote, Obama would be his man.



He can't vote?
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:15 am

He will vote in the presidential election, but not in Michigan's(past) primary. MM is from Flint, Michigan.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby heavycola on Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:08 am

InkL0sed wrote:Whatever Michael Moore is thinking, we can rest assured that he is a paradigm of objectivity and reason. An Enlightenment Man, if you will.


There is nothing light about Michael Moore.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Jenos Ridan on Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:07 am

Michael Moore is what my dad (and most of my family) calls a "Sh!t disturber". Personnally, I may not care much for Marylin Manson or his "music", but to blame him for Colombine is criminal. It is criminal to blame ANYBODY OR ANYTHING other than the parents of the teens who did the deed. But what does he do: Blame the Constitution, that's what. Blame the same document that guarutees his right to free speech, yeah, REAL SMART.

I'd like this "Sh!t Disturbing" piece of garbage to quietly remove himself from the public eye.

As for 9-11 conspiracies, how is it that I saw it happen, abeit since I'm on the west coast and the events happened hours ago due to timezones, WITH MY OWN TWO EYES?!?!?! Burden of proof falls on the conclusion that is not supported by Occam's Razor; show me the missiles!
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:13 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:Michael Moore is what my dad (and most of my family) calls a "Sh!t disturber". Personnally, I may not care much for Marylin Manson or his "music", but to blame him for Colombine is criminal. It is criminal to blame ANYBODY OR ANYTHING other than the parents of the teens who did the deed. But what does he do: Blame the Constitution, that's what. Blame the same document that guarutees his right to free speech, yeah, REAL SMART.

I'd like this "Sh!t Disturbing" piece of garbage to quietly remove himself from the public eye.

As for 9-11 conspiracies, how is it that I saw it happen, abeit since I'm on the west coast and the events happened hours ago due to timezones, WITH MY OWN TWO EYES?!?!?! Burden of proof falls on the conclusion that is not supported by Occam's Razor; show me the missiles!



When did Michael Moore blame the Constitution? Or do you mean that he blamed the Right to Bear Arms? He does have a piont, though I don't agree. He should have pionted the finger at the parents more.

I like MM's film's, but you have to take them with a grain of salt. That's just him.

As far as 911, any truther will agree, that planes did hit the towers. Well, at least that they hit two of the three that collapsed. There is a good reason why your TV doesn't talk about WTC7, because it is pretty obvious that it is a cover-up. Even the lease-holder of the building admits it. Whereas they have plausable deniability with the other two towers, because planes did hit them.

The theory about the missles is that missles hit the Pentagon, and the field outside of Shanksville, PA, not planes. You will never see video of the missles. As I mentioned before, 54 security tapes were confiscated, and there has never been a single frame released showing a plane. Ever. It is all the Pentegon would have to do to discredite me forever.
There were however, witnesses at the Pentagon. Although, at first, they all disagreed about what they saw(military plane, jumbo jet, private jet, missle). But! There were also civilian witnesses that do not work for the pentegon. Who claim that they saw a missle. And none of them disagreed with each other.

As far as the field, both the mayor, and mortician from Shanksville are convinced that flight 93 never crashed there. But I won't go into this any further unless asked, because this is MM's thread. But If you would like to learn more, there are a butt-load of websites you can visit, or you can watch LOOSE CHANGE FINAL EDITION, or 911 IN PLANE SITE, for free on the web. In any case, It is a good idea to acquintace yourself with what we are talking about.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby cowboyz on Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:45 am

I kiss Michael Moore
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:52 am

cowboyz wrote:I kiss Michael Moore


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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby jay_a2j on Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:27 am

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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Snorri1234 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:17 pm

Jenos Ridan wrote:Michael Moore is what my dad (and most of my family) calls a "Sh!t disturber". Personnally, I may not care much for Marylin Manson or his "music", but to blame him for Colombine is criminal. It is criminal to blame ANYBODY OR ANYTHING other than the parents of the teens who did the deed.

What, blame the parents? Man, those kids were crazy and I don't think the parents had much to do with it, but whatever.
But what does he do: Blame the Constitution, that's what. Blame the same document that guarutees his right to free speech, yeah, REAL SMART.

He blamed the constitution?

Really?


Did you actually ever watch Bowling for Columbine?
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Jenos Ridan on Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:19 am

Snorri1234 wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:Michael Moore is what my dad (and most of my family) calls a "Sh!t disturber". Personnally, I may not care much for Marylin Manson or his "music", but to blame him for Colombine is criminal. It is criminal to blame ANYBODY OR ANYTHING other than the parents of the teens who did the deed.

What, blame the parents? Man, those kids were crazy and I don't think the parents had much to do with it, but whatever.
But what does he do: Blame the Constitution, that's what. Blame the same document that guarutees his right to free speech, yeah, REAL SMART.

He blamed the constitution?

Really?


Did you actually ever watch Bowling for Columbine?


I heard so many people blabber on about how great the guy, and his work, are and I've seen enough of his other work to understand what sort of blowhard he is.

In short, I didn't and do not need (or for that matter, want) to see it.

As cliche as it sounds, "Guns don't kill people, People kill people." I once saw a bumper sticker along those same lines: if guns kill people, do pencils mispell words?

Sorry if my down-to-earth reasoning offends any whimsical "liberatarians" here, but I say what needs to be said regardless how people feel.

As for assigning blame, if parents are not to be held accountable for the upbringing and, consequently, the actions of their children then WHO?! Who better to teach the little tikes right from wrong? And if they were not right in the head, who then should have been the FIRST to notice and take action?

Children may be the future, but you cannot have a future if you do not have a past to build on, from which to invest in the future.

Again, oh so very sorry I'm not some mindless spear-holder for the leftists :roll: .
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:36 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:In short, I didn't and do not need (or for that matter, want) to see it.

As cliche as it sounds, "Guns don't kill people, People kill people." I once saw a bumper sticker along those same lines: if guns kill people, do pencils mispell words?



Bowling for Columine was pro-gun control....

And though, I agree that parents are ultimatley responsible for their children, I also believe that the situation says something about bullying, and terrorism from your peers.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby heavycola on Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:04 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:Michael Moore is what my dad (and most of my family) calls a "Sh!t disturber". Personnally, I may not care much for Marylin Manson or his "music", but to blame him for Colombine is criminal. It is criminal to blame ANYBODY OR ANYTHING other than the parents of the teens who did the deed.

What, blame the parents? Man, those kids were crazy and I don't think the parents had much to do with it, but whatever.
But what does he do: Blame the Constitution, that's what. Blame the same document that guarutees his right to free speech, yeah, REAL SMART.

He blamed the constitution?

Really?


Did you actually ever watch Bowling for Columbine?


I heard so many people blabber on about how great the guy, and his work, are and I've seen enough of his other work to understand what sort of blowhard he is.

In short, I didn't and do not need (or for that matter, want) to see it.

As cliche as it sounds, "Guns don't kill people, People kill people." I once saw a bumper sticker along those same lines: if guns kill people, do pencils mispell words?

Sorry if my down-to-earth reasoning offends any whimsical "liberatarians" here, but I say what needs to be said regardless how people feel.

As for assigning blame, if parents are not to be held accountable for the upbringing and, consequently, the actions of their children then WHO?! Who better to teach the little tikes right from wrong? And if they were not right in the head, who then should have been the FIRST to notice and take action?

Children may be the future, but you cannot have a future if you do not have a past to build on, from which to invest in the future.

Again, oh so very sorry I'm not some mindless spear-holder for the leftists :roll: .



It's good to know you feel able to rubbish films you haven't seen. An ability due no doubt to your psychic gifts.

BTW the bumper sticker DOES sound cliched. It's a ridiculous argument for people who are too lazy to think for themselves. Just sit for a minute or two and see if you can spot why.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Snorri1234 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:20 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:Michael Moore is what my dad (and most of my family) calls a "Sh!t disturber". Personnally, I may not care much for Marylin Manson or his "music", but to blame him for Colombine is criminal. It is criminal to blame ANYBODY OR ANYTHING other than the parents of the teens who did the deed.

What, blame the parents? Man, those kids were crazy and I don't think the parents had much to do with it, but whatever.
But what does he do: Blame the Constitution, that's what. Blame the same document that guarutees his right to free speech, yeah, REAL SMART.

He blamed the constitution?

Really?


Did you actually ever watch Bowling for Columbine?


I heard so many people blabber on about how great the guy, and his work, are and I've seen enough of his other work to understand what sort of blowhard he is.


So you didn't watch it? That's all I needed to know.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Neoteny on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:59 pm

I have a Penny Arcade bumper sticker that reads

"Guns don't kill people, kids who play video games do."
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Snorri1234 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:23 pm

Neoteny wrote:I have a Penny Arcade bumper sticker that reads

"Guns don't kill people, kids who play video games do."

Hehehehe.

I'm still a fan of the "Guns don't kill people, rappers do." quote.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Jenos Ridan on Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:46 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote: I agree that parents are ultimatley responsible for their children.


That was all you needed to say.

People need to be held accountable for their actions: I'm sick of this "product of one's environment" crap. I was bullied all throughout school from the first grade on through my senior year and I never shot anybody. Thought about it a couple of times, but went no further. I did punch a couple of the real winners in the mouth, about the extent of my actions.

And if the kids were not right in the head, if not the parents, who then should have taken decisive action to head disaster off at the pass.

It is criminal to lay blame anywhere but on the people truelly responicible. All the morons who blame guns, blame music or blame games should all go play in the freeway.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:52 pm

Fair enough. I'll respect that stand.
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Re: What is Michael Moore thinking?

Postby Jenos Ridan on Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:56 pm

Glad we could come to an accord on this issue. If only the others could too.
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