Kindergarten Mafia - Game over - Town wins!

[Iliad]

you guys are saying the doc was a moron, which very well could be the case, but as I saw with so many vanilla, perhaps there isn't a doc?

PRobably there is but it's an interesting theory

[militant]

nagerous is clear in my book for his lynch lovo suggestion on Day 2, unless he is a Mafia Usurper.

My suggestion would be, do not lynch either 'cop' tonight, we'll have Clive investigate Animo and see what he comes up with. If he gets scum we lynch Animo tomorrow, at least then we can have a 'verified' cop in our midst whether he's town or not is yet to be seen.

I agree, Kalish seems to be suggesting logical, helpful things to do for town. I have a feeling he is town. Although a summary of all the players from Iliad would be nice, to see what he is thinking since he just replaced into a role we know nothing off.

Looking back on this quote I think kalish may be in the clear. If kalish were a scum buddy with animorph, I don't think he would suggest this. Do you all agree?

Well this is interesting. First Ani's claim sounds ludicrous, I've never heard of such a role and I'm not sure Sierra would make ones up as this seems like a standard game so far. And the question was for 'flavour' not for elaboration on the role, it sounds as if he is panicking and looking for a way to bullshit out of it. And his not answering the question to begin with was either him skimming or an attempt at avoidance, neither good for town.
But on the off chance he is telling the truth then essentially we would have to disregard all cop investigations (or atleast be very wary with them) as that would mean there is a framer in the game.
All in all though, Clive being roleblocked is more plausible then animo being a anti-framing cop.
Ani, you need to paraphrase on your flavour.

Vote animorph

The above quote is a very well thought out post by Skoffin. I think she's had a number of good posts in this game.

I got Skoff as town.

Here animorph says Skoffin is town. I highly doubt mafia would allow themselves to be linked like this (if Skoff were mafia)...especially since their GF is already dead and animorph on thin ice since Clive's counterclaim. Also if they decide to have animorph "investigate" a townie who is a townie, that might get Skoffin on animorph's side. So what I'm saying is I think Skoffin is innocent.

Or this could mean she is mafia, although he was not a cop, if his defence worked and he managed to kill off Clive, he would be the only "cop" left int the game, thus making him trustworthy, since he tried to clear Skoffin this may be a attempt to make her look innocent if he did survive. Although I agree with Nag, that Skoffin's above post is well though out, if she is Ani's mafia buddy, she may have noticed he had no hope of surviving and jumped on the bandwagon so to not look suspicious after his lynch.

this is bullshit. if you had this uber-cop role, why didn't you tell us about it the minute you claimed?

vote animo.

just a thought that crossed my mind a few seconds ago:

ani's a noob, right?

then how does he know what a mafia framer is unless his role has something to do with them?


unless, of course, he is the mafia framer.

The 2 above posts by MIB sound good enough to clear him as well.

This leaves: ga7, cmckinney (replaces firth4eva), and militant

Sorry, I have not been active, life has been pretty hectic with a relative going in to hospitial, I have been up there alot. I am not intentionally submarining contray yo ga7's beleif

militant, I'm truly sorry that your relative is in the hospital, but I have to say I am very suspicious of you in this game simply because you've added very little input. I suggest you do your part as town (if you are town), or ask for a replacement. I hate to say that though, because we've already had two replacements.

cmckinney, I suggest you involve yourself in this game as well. I won't let this day end until you (and militant) make a significant contribution.

ga7 has contributed, however now that I've narrowed it down (at least for my own eyes...I don't know if you all agree), I will have to re-read more closely what ga7, militant and cmckinney have said.

For the moment Fos Skoffin

I am suspicious of ga7, he is a good player in my eyes, I usually get a town vibe from him, but in this game, when I read his posts something does not seem right, I will re read on him and post my suspiciousns later.

[Skoffin]

Yes but that point you were only one of four people who had not a vote on a mafia member. 2 of them later revealed to be mafia themselves... the other being iliad.

Ermm... wut? I've been on both mafia lynches, so I don't follow


And Illy, with the mafia having a number of power roles I doubt town would not be given roles to match them. So I don't think we are missing a doc.

[mr. incrediball]

I am suspicious of ga7, he is a good player in my eyes, I usually get a town vibe from him, but in this game, when I read his posts something does not seem right, I will re read on him and post my suspiciousns later.

this sounds interesting. think you could narrow down what exactly is wrong with his posts?

you guys are saying the doc was a moron, which very well could be the case, but as I saw with so many vanilla, perhaps there isn't a doc?

iliad could be trying to get the doc to claim here. i may have to drop a little fos on him.


skoffin, nag and frenchie have been doing plenty of scumhunting in my book, so i'm not suspicious of them atm.


i'm sort of agreeing with militant's point: that animo's "investigation" could have been a ploy to get town on his side.


i'm not sure what everyone means when they say militant's been scumarining, i thought he'd been contributing (of course, i could be getting him confused with mountainlion).

that only leaves cmc. his input for most of the game has been precisely zip. he's the one i'm most suspicious of atm.

[cmckinney]

Sorry guys, I've been busy all this weekend with Real life stuff during the memorial day weekend. I'm gonna look through and see what i can find. Once again, sorry for the inactivity.

[cmckinney]

Okay i read through, and there haven't been any real giveaways.

I did however go through and look at the Clive bandwagon section, and i made a list of the key players who seemed to want to get Clive lynched.

Sam, Ga7 Animorph, Skoffin,

I'm thinking that one of these is probably the (possibly) last mafia.

Skoffin:

Just read what Skoffin said, and agree on it, Skoff made some very valid points. unvote vote: Sam

That was ga7. Look at the username instead of the avatar because they have the same pic of a duck.

Erm, well, I think I said more about Sam then Ga7 did. :\ You sure you didn't get our 'ducks' mixed up? And those are geese by the way. Well for the moment I support the lynching of either Clive, kalish or Sam. Since Clive seems to be the direction this evening Vote Clive

Here all Skoffin does is basically say she's fine with lynching anybody, and votes Clive for no reason other than "it appears to be the direction of the evening." Clive only had 2 votes at the time, so i don't really think it the "direction" the night was taking. She then completely disappears, and doesn't contribute anything else. I think this is pretty scummish, so FOS Skoff

Animorph: SCUM

Ga7: Seemed to be pushing pretty hard for the Clive, but not as scummy to me as Sam or Skoff

Sam: Sam pushed hard for Clive's lynch, and took sides with Animorph AKA SCUM. When Clive made his defense, sam didn't believe him and continued to press for the lynch of the cop.

vote clive i dont beleive him one bit.

But all of the sudden, as the lynch starts to go sour and the suspicion turns to LoVo, he comes out of nowhere and votes off of Clive

unvote to stop a stupid lynch.

Since when was this lynch stupid to you? You seemed pretty confident a while ago. And later, when LoVo is lynched, he is one of the few people who didn't jump on that bandwagon.

So i'm gonna Vote Sam

[mr. incrediball]

unvote to stop a stupid lynch.

Since when was this lynch stupid to you? You seemed pretty confident a while ago. And later, when LoVo is lynched, he is one of the few people who didn't jump on that bandwagon.

So i'm gonna Vote Sam

actually, i think sam had been voting for LoVo when he unvoted there. he was reffering to the LoVo lynch.

[cmckinney]

Oh i must have misread that.

*re-reading

[cmckinney]

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Vote count

lord voldemort - 4 (nagerous, ga7, militant, firth4eva)
Clive - 3 (Skoffin, animorpherv1, sam_levi_11)
mr. incrediball - 1 (kalishnikov)
animorpherv1 - 1 (Clive)
militant - 1 (MountainLion)

Not voting: mr. incrediball

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

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Sam's next post was "unvote to stop a stupid lynch"

[ga7]

Quick post to say WTF. Sam was NKed. SFOS Cmc for now.

[ga7]

Actually... On one hand I doubt scum could be that stupid as to forget who they Nked, but on the other hand Cmc just replaced and might be clueless either way. Hmm.

[cmckinney]

I knew there was something wrong with that post...

Must have been the 3 hours of sleep i got last night.

So very sorry you guys.

[MountainLion]

For the moment Fos Skoffin

I am suspicious of ga7, he is a good player in my eyes, I usually get a town vibe from him, but in this game, when I read his posts something does not seem right, I will re read on him and post my suspiciousns later.

You didn't really explain your FOS on Skoffin. Could you tell us why militant?

cmckinney, since voting a dead person is useless, who then would you vote?

[militant]

For the moment Fos Skoffin

I am suspicious of ga7, he is a good player in my eyes, I usually get a town vibe from him, but in this game, when I read his posts something does not seem right, I will re read on him and post my suspiciousns later.

You didn't really explain your FOS on Skoffin. Could you tell us why militant?

cmckinney, since voting a dead person is useless, who then would you vote?

Sorry MountainLioin, I was trying to be clever, I quoted your post and posted my thoughts inside in a different colour. I wont try it again. This is why I am suspicious of Skoffin:

Or this could mean she is mafia, although he was not a cop, if his defence worked and he managed to kill off Clive, he would be the only "cop" left int the game, thus making him trustworthy, since he tried to clear Skoffin this may be a attempt to make her look innocent if he did survive. Although I agree with Nag, that Skoffin's above post is well though out, if she is Ani's mafia buddy, she may have noticed he had no hope of surviving and jumped on the bandwagon so to not look suspicious after his lynch.

I was talking about this part of your post:

Well this is interesting. First Ani's claim sounds ludicrous, I've never heard of such a role and I'm not sure Sierra would make ones up as this seems like a standard game so far. And the question was for 'flavour' not for elaboration on the role, it sounds as if he is panicking and looking for a way to bullshit out of it. And his not answering the question to begin with was either him skimming or an attempt at avoidance, neither good for town.
But on the off chance he is telling the truth then essentially we would have to disregard all cop investigations (or atleast be very wary with them) as that would mean there is a framer in the game.
All in all though, Clive being roleblocked is more plausible then animo being a anti-framing cop.
Ani, you need to paraphrase on your flavour.

Vote animorph

The above quote is a very well thought out post by Skoffin. I think she's had a number of good posts in this game.

I got Skoff as town.

Here animorph says Skoffin is town. I highly doubt mafia would allow themselves to be linked like this (if Skoff were mafia)...especially since their GF is already dead and animorph on thin ice since Clive's counterclaim. Also if they decide to have animorph "investigate" a townie who is a townie, that might get Skoffin on animorph's side. So what I'm saying is I think Skoffin is innocent.

[Skoffin]

Okay i read through, and there haven't been any real giveaways.

I did however go through and look at the Clive bandwagon section, and i made a list of the key players who seemed to want to get Clive lynched.

Sam, Ga7 Animorph, Skoffin,

I'm thinking that one of these is probably the (possibly) last mafia.

Skoffin:

Just read what Skoffin said, and agree on it, Skoff made some very valid points. unvote vote: Sam

That was ga7. Look at the username instead of the avatar because they have the same pic of a duck.

Erm, well, I think I said more about Sam then Ga7 did. :\ You sure you didn't get our 'ducks' mixed up? And those are geese by the way. Well for the moment I support the lynching of either Clive, kalish or Sam. Since Clive seems to be the direction this evening Vote Clive

Here all Skoffin does is basically say she's fine with lynching anybody, and votes Clive for no reason other than "it appears to be the direction of the evening." Clive only had 2 votes at the time, so i don't really think it the "direction" the night was taking. She then completely disappears, and doesn't contribute anything else. I think this is pretty scummish, so FOS Skoff

No, I was not 'fine with lynching anybody', I was fine with lynching any of the three I specificly specified. Otherwise I would not have specified at all. At the time I was more leaning towards Sam, but also at the same time it seemed as if no one else would follow that lead anyway so I moved to the next lead, which was Clive.
And I do not like how you make it seem as if I have not participated since that post you quoted. Have you read beyond that point? By the fact you missed Sam's death I will assume you haven't. I like to think that I was one of the key players in Ani's death, and I do not see that as "Not contributing".

[MountainLion]

I could be wrong but I tend to think the remaining scum would try to submarine. Why? Because animorph had to claim right away which put him under the microscope, and lovo was lynched soon after, so I'm thinking the remaining mafia are just trying to survive at this point. I know militant mentioned having to visit the hospital, but he hasn't added much for the entire game.

Vote militant

[mr. incrediball]

mountainlion makes a good point, but are ill family members really less important than cc?

[militant]

I could be wrong but I tend to think the remaining scum would try to submarine. Why? Because animorph had to claim right away which put him under the microscope, and lovo was lynched soon after, so I'm thinking the remaining mafia are just trying to survive at this point. I know militant mentioned having to visit the hospital, but he hasn't added much for the entire game.

Vote militant

Look MountainLion, I know I have been inactive, that is becasue I franksly had more important stuff to do than be on cc every night, I am town, so for the sakes of town it would be a bad idea to lynch me, consequently if you want I will ask for replacment rather than getting killed for no reason. I want your opinion on this, but for the sake of the town, it is bad to lynch me.

[nagerous]

Bare with me... I lost my internet connection for a couple of days so I need to catch up everywhere, including my risk games.

[cmckinney]

For the moment Fos Skoffin

I am suspicious of ga7, he is a good player in my eyes, I usually get a town vibe from him, but in this game, when I read his posts something does not seem right, I will re read on him and post my suspiciousns later.

You didn't really explain your FOS on Skoffin. Could you tell us why militant?

cmckinney, since voting a dead person is useless, who then would you vote?

I honestly have no idea as of right now.

[ga7]

My suggestion would be, do not lynch either 'cop' tonight, we'll have Clive investigate Animo and see what he comes up with. If he gets scum we lynch Animo tomorrow, at least then we can have a 'verified' cop in our midst whether he's town or not is yet to be seen.

Looking back on this quote I think kalish may be in the clear. If kalish were a scum buddy with animorph, I don't think he would suggest this. Do you all agree?

Not really, since Clive was blocked, likely by a scum blocker. His words there are therefore meaningless as it wouldn't have possibly happened that way.

With the input left in the last few pages, I think I'll put my money on Militant and Illy being the remaining scumzors. I think people have a point about the Skoff post, but it can fit in either town's or scum's point of view easily so I'm not too convinced.
Overall I'm more inclined to put pressure on Militant right now. Sure, he explained he didn't have time for mafia back in the previous days, understandably. But this:

Look MountainLion, I know I have been inactive, that is becasue I franksly had more important stuff to do than be on cc every night, I am town, so for the sakes of town it would be a bad idea to lynch me, consequently if you want I will ask for replacment rather than getting killed for no reason. I want your opinion on this, but for the sake of the town, it is bad to lynch me.

Sounds more like a desperate scum strategy than anything else. Why proposing to be replaced when you were back in activity, posting your suspicions, etc? Doesn't make any sense. Repeating you're town, meh... I don't really see it.

Vote Militant

[militant]

Look MountainLion, I know I have been inactive, that is becasue I franksly had more important stuff to do than be on cc every night, I am town, so for the sakes of town it would be a bad idea to lynch me, consequently if you want I will ask for replacment rather than getting killed for no reason. I want your opinion on this, but for the sake of the town, it is bad to lynch me.

Sounds more like a desperate scum strategy than anything else. Why proposing to be replaced when you were back in activity, posting your suspicions, etc? Doesn't make any sense. Repeating you're town, meh... I don't really see it.

Vote Militant

Meh, I will claim if I get close to a lynch, but it is a bad idea.

[Sierra_Leon]

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Vote count

militant - 2 (MountainLion, ga7)

Not voting: Iliad, Skoffin, nagerous, cmckinney , militant, mr. incrediball

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

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[MountainLion]

*yawn*

Those who aren't voting need to do so, or at least give an opinion on something.

[Skoffin]

I really have no idea at the moment, I am just too tired to go back and read through. I will up some pressure on Militant for now, and look for anything incriminating tomorrow.

Vote Militant