The biggest mistake in human history.

by **suggs** on Sat May 17, 2008 5:48 pm

Darn it, I can be horny as hell, and RIGHT, you know. In fact, its amazing how often those two states co-exist

Look, dig out your school book if you want. Most school history books are junk, but you have to start somewhere, I know.
The point is, the Japs may have been beginning to talk about surrender, but the ONLY surrender that was acceptable to the Allies, after the Japs intentional infliction of genocide and cruelty in Asia, the sub continent and the pacific, was unconditional.
And this the Japs refused to do. Until they realised they WOULD be wiped off the face of the map.

Sure, you can argue that the Allies were too harsh in their demands for unconditional surrender. But then, they were dealing with monsters, and you can only treat monsters one way -BOMB THEM TO f*ck.

by **reminisco** on Sat May 17, 2008 5:52 pm

InkL0sed wrote:
suggs wrote:You are just factually wrong. Still, no worries, we're only talking about history
The Japanese WERE NOT ready to surrender. They were fighting to the last man.
Go and read a decent book (not some gibberish some stoned 17 year old has cooked up on Wankipedia). Nial Ferguson's "The War of the World" is a good starting point.
Please desist from stating lies, it really GETS ON MY FUCKING WICK.

Again, chill. Like you said in that other thread, you need to get laid.

I'm not relying on Wikipedia, rather on my memory from the AP US history course I'm taking right now, and I remember that the Japanese were beginning to negotiate surrender, but not the unconditional one we wanted.

I'll go look it up in my textbook if you insist.

i'm pretty sure the japanese weren't going to surrender, and we were worried about Russia turning their war machine on Japan. since we were willing to let the red menace fight in Europe, but both USA pride about the Pearl Harbor thing and the real threat of a communist Empire taking the place of the nazi empire before it led US planners to end the war as swiftly as possible.

and remember we did drop leaflets for like an entire month warning the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to evacuate.

by **PLAYER57832** on Sat May 17, 2008 5:58 pm

Pretty good list Zaqq. However, I will note that while slavery was bad, it was introduced in part as an "advancement" over simply killing one's opponents.

Also, perhaps the Aztec's rites should be in there somewhere?

by **InkL0sed** on Sat May 17, 2008 6:32 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:Pretty good list Zaqq. However, I will note that while slavery was bad, it was introduced in part as an "advancement" over simply killing one's opponents.

Also, perhaps the Aztec's rites should be in there somewhere?

The Aztecs were hardly the only ones to sacrifice humans. Hell, the Greeks did it.

Anyway, seeing as how that's pretty deliberate, I don't see how that's a mistake.

by **Dancing Mustard** on Sat May 17, 2008 6:45 pm

That time myself and a friend went on a 'double blind-date' with two random girls, but both of us got really battered in a pub before meeting our dates at the restaraunt. More specifically, the mistake that I'd change was the bit where we went to a bar after dinner and I told my friend that I'd let him switch ladies if he managed to knob-slap his current date.
To cut a long story short, he was really rather keen on my date and so felt like he had nothing to lose by jumping up from his seat, whipping his spam-javelin out, and trying to give his newfound ladyfriend a playful slap around the face with it. She wasn't amused and she made a bit of a hue and cry; needless to say that the sight of a young male standing in the middle of a crowded bar with his wing-wang out somewhat horrified all the nearby members of the paying public, and the bouncers were immediatley convinced that he was a crazed sex-offender in the making, as were the local constabulary. Up until that point it had been going really rather well, and I thought I had a fair chance with either of the females, but after that it wound up being pretty much the worst first-date ever.

So yeah, that's the mistake I'd change.

by **suggs** on Sat May 17, 2008 6:47 pm

So you are cool with the whole "suggsy under the table with me Cam" bit of that night?

by **PLAYER57832** on Sat May 17, 2008 7:28 pm

InkL0sed wrote:
I'm not relying on Wikipedia, rather on my memory from the AP US history course I'm taking right now, and I remember that the Japanese were beginning to negotiate surrender, but not the unconditional one we wanted.

I'll go look it up in my textbook if you insist.

There are folks who will argue both sides of this ... both that the Japanese were ready to surrender and that they were not. For your AP class, go with the assigned text.

by **Total Trash** on Sat May 17, 2008 7:38 pm

demon7896 wrote:Dropping that bomb on Hiroshima. One day now, one day.....

My runner ups: Electing Bush president. Starting the Iraq war. Bombing Pearl Harbor (for the Japanese at least).

can you be more right? I don't think so.

by **Bertros Bertros** on Sat May 17, 2008 8:07 pm

by **InkL0sed** on Sat May 17, 2008 8:14 pm

Bertros Bertros wrote:

You kidding me? Greatest invention ever.

by **spurgistan** on Sat May 17, 2008 8:29 pm

No, this.

by **InkL0sed** on Sat May 17, 2008 8:33 pm

spurgistan wrote:No, this.

by **Bertros Bertros** on Sat May 17, 2008 8:38 pm

It was more kinda symbolic for how we have messed around with food to the point we've forgotten what good food is. Good fresh food. And besides donuts in the sense of the 'Dunkin' and 'Krispy' varieties are wierd IMO, actually the whole idea of deep frying cake is just a bit wierd when you think about it. At this point it would be great if somebody would point out the 'Dunkin' are baked not fried which would just reinforce the whole we messed around with food thing nicely being as donuts were fried by definition once upon a time and it was wierd enough then. Right, I'm off for some chicken nuggets with curly fries and a strawberry, well pink, thickshake.

by **borox0** on Sat May 17, 2008 8:49 pm

Treaty of Versailles, 1919.

by **reminisco** on Sun May 18, 2008 12:53 am

Bertros Bertros wrote:It was more kinda symbolic for how we have messed around with food to the point we've forgotten what good food is. Good fresh food. And besides donuts in the sense of the 'Dunkin' and 'Krispy' varieties are wierd IMO, actually the whole idea of deep frying cake is just a bit wierd when you think about it. At this point it would be great if somebody would point out the 'Dunkin' are baked not fried which would just reinforce the whole we messed around with food thing nicely being as donuts were fried by definition once upon a time and it was wierd enough then. Right, I'm off for some chicken nuggets with curly fries and a strawberry, well pink, thickshake.

you do know the Dunkin' part is what you're supposed to do with your donut in the coffee. considered very rude, especially by stuffy europeans with their monocles, family crescents, and favorite past time of getting incredibly offended by other people's business.

idea of Dunkin' Donuts was that they were relaxed enough, you could go ahead an dunk there. they even make a special "dunkin" doughnut that has a knob of dough on it specifically for dunking.

in case you already did know the reason for the name of dunkin donuts, i then draw your attention to this tangent:

Al-Qaeda being able to control the weather is the biggest mistake in human history. we must put a stop the nefarious weather control terror of Al-Qaeda.

by **Interfacer PH** on Sun May 18, 2008 1:00 am

My vote goes to cell phones and the internet... Damn kids these days.

by **Joodoo** on Sun May 18, 2008 6:45 am

Interfacer PH wrote:My vote goes to cell phones and the internet... Damn kids these days.

I have to agree with you here Interfacer, cell phones and internet have attracted so much attention from adolescents (including myself) that we've become too addicted to it. I always say to myself "I have to be more active in physical activities", but it never did happen because of the Internet.

by **InkL0sed** on Sun May 18, 2008 10:33 am

borox0 wrote:Treaty of Versailles, 1919.

That's a pretty good one.

by **sam_levi_11** on Sun May 18, 2008 11:18 am

suggs wrote:So you are cool with the whole "suggsy under the table with me Cam" bit of that night?

r u cheating on me!

*slaps suggs*

by **Snorri1234** on Sun May 18, 2008 2:00 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:That time myself and a friend went on a 'double blind-date' with two random girls, but both of us got really battered in a pub before meeting our dates at the restaraunt. More specifically, the mistake that I'd change was the bit where we went to a bar after dinner and I told my friend that I'd let him switch ladies if he managed to knob-slap his current date.
To cut a long story short, he was really rather keen on my date and so felt like he had nothing to lose by jumping up from his seat, whipping his spam-javelin out, and trying to give his newfound ladyfriend a playful slap around the face with it. She wasn't amused and she made a bit of a hue and cry; needless to say that the sight of a young male standing in the middle of a crowded bar with his wing-wang out somewhat horrified all the nearby members of the paying public, and the bouncers were immediatley convinced that he was a crazed sex-offender in the making, as were the local constabulary. Up until that point it had been going really rather well, and I thought I had a fair chance with either of the females, but after that it wound up being pretty much the worst first-date ever.

So yeah, that's the mistake I'd change.

Did you get laid though?

by **Mylittlepuddykat** on Sun May 18, 2008 2:38 pm

I think that it is hard to name anything 'the biggest mistake in human history', because we don't know how things would have turned out if they hadn't occurred. Treaty of Versaille - ultimately meant WW2 BUT what bigger and worse wars may have occured if WW2 hadn't? At least the Allies won WW2, if it had been a different War and the 'Good' side had lost then the world could be very different.

I don't think that I would change anything in History right now because the world is mostly a good place to live in and in the places where it isn't lots of people are trying to help. Also, if you start changing History then you don't know what worse things may happen.

by **InkL0sed** on Sun May 18, 2008 3:10 pm

Mylittlepuddykat wrote:I think that it is hard to name anything 'the biggest mistake in human history', because we don't know how things would have turned out if they hadn't occurred. Treaty of Versaille - ultimately meant WW2 BUT what bigger and worse wars may have occured if WW2 hadn't? At least the Allies won WW2, if it had been a different War and the 'Good' side had lost then the world could be very different.

I don't think that I would change anything in History right now because the world is mostly a good place to live in and in the places where it isn't lots of people are trying to help. Also, if you start changing History then you don't know what worse things may happen.

We aren't talking about time travel here :roll:

Surely there are things that have happened that you can say shouldn't have -- say, for example, electing Bush.

by **cmckinney** on Sun May 18, 2008 3:12 pm

demon7896 wrote:Dropping that bomb on Hiroshima. One day now, one day.....

My runner ups: Electing Bush president. Starting the Iraq war. Bombing Pearl Harbor (for the Japanese at least).

Oh yes...because the Iraq war is so much worse then oh i dunno. The Holocaust?

by **InkL0sed** on Sun May 18, 2008 3:14 pm

cmckinney wrote:
demon7896 wrote:Dropping that bomb on Hiroshima. One day now, one day.....

My runner ups: Electing Bush president. Starting the Iraq war. Bombing Pearl Harbor (for the Japanese at least).

Oh yes...because the Iraq war is so much worse then oh i dunno. The Holocaust?

The Holocaust was not a mistake -- mistakes are done by accident.