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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Hologram on Thu May 15, 2008 11:46 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also have to remember farms and ranches. I garuntee you a moped or a little scooter is going to be pretty useless on either one.

Well yes, of course. You'll need tractors and one or two cars to get from field to field, but I'm speaking mainly to middle America who don't have those kinds of obligations and whose only need for a car would be traveling out of town (commute to work, maybe, if it's in another city. i.e. Salem to Portland, Oregon) or traveling.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Nobunaga on Fri May 16, 2008 5:25 am

... "Big Oil" makes less profit, as a %, than Microsoft.

... Let's confiscate Bill Gates' house!!!

... China, India, weak dollar. That's why gas is so high.

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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby tzor on Fri May 16, 2008 8:14 am

Hologram wrote:The simple solution for all of this: Get off your lazy butts, buy a bike, and use your bike for anything less than 10 blocks away. Preferably even more, but you must acclimate.


Here is my problem. My immediate cross street is a narrow road without sidewalks where people routinely go over the posted limit of 30 MPH (but generally not by much). Both walking or riding a bike is potentially dangerous there due to the nature of the road. (And there is an elementary school half way down that road ... go figure.

Personally I would need a small plug in vechicle for this situation. Ironically my Prius is the worst thing in this case it loves to use the gas until the engine warms up so very short trips are an MPG disaster for it.

That's the problem, solutions that might work in generally level urban areas don't often work in rural environments. I for example can't use mass transit to get to work, I have a 35 mile (one way) commute from the middle no nowhere to somwhere that is slightly off of somewhere else. I have to take a 20 mile ride to get to the end of the electric line if I wanted to go into the city.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri May 16, 2008 8:27 am

I chose my current house because it's on a train line, and because I can walk to three downtowns form here (just over two miles to the furthest.

This is partly because I think cars should be a last resort (but yes we do drive to the supermarket, or anywhere outside walking distance and not on the train line). Partly it's because I don't drive a car.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby oggiss on Fri May 16, 2008 9:20 am

Stop complaining about the fucking gas prices. In Sweden we pay ~$7,57 per gallon -_-
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby MeDeFe on Fri May 16, 2008 11:42 am

oggiss wrote:Stop complaining about the fucking gas prices. In Sweden we pay ~$7,57 per gallon -_-

Damn, that's cheap, it's about 1$ more than that here in Germany.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Nobunaga on Fri May 16, 2008 11:52 am

... Americans don't know how cheap they've had it for so long, lowest prices on the planet for decades.

... I worked at a gas station back in my school days and I remember my boss would come in in the morning, get in his car, then drive around town writing the prices every other station had set. He'd then come back and set our price somewhere in the middle. Not a lot of science or calculation went into the decision.

... And this was a SpeedWay. Wonder if folks still do that.

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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby btownmeggy on Fri May 16, 2008 11:55 am

jonesthecurl wrote:I chose my current house because it's on a train line, and because I can walk to three downtowns form here (just over two miles to the furthest.

This is partly because I think cars should be a last resort (but yes we do drive to the supermarket, or anywhere outside walking distance and not on the train line). Partly it's because I don't drive a car.


Yes!

People complain and complain, "Well, where I live you HAVE to drive." Usually they've made a very wrong choice about WHERE to live.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby tzor on Fri May 16, 2008 12:45 pm

btownmeggy wrote:People complain and complain, "Well, where I live you HAVE to drive." Usually they've made a very wrong choice about WHERE to live.


Well some people would rather drive in paradise than take the commuter train back and forth in hell.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Iz Man on Fri May 16, 2008 12:56 pm

Two expenses I don't have to pay for:

Cell phone & gas :lol:
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Optimus Prime on Fri May 16, 2008 1:02 pm

tzor wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:People complain and complain, "Well, where I live you HAVE to drive." Usually they've made a very wrong choice about WHERE to live.


Well some people would rather drive in paradise than take the commuter train back and forth in hell.

Damn straight, tzor, damn straight.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri May 16, 2008 1:04 pm

I live in a great place, and it's in commuter land too.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby btownmeggy on Fri May 16, 2008 1:34 pm

tzor wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:People complain and complain, "Well, where I live you HAVE to drive." Usually they've made a very wrong choice about WHERE to live.


Well some people would rather drive in paradise than take the commuter train back and forth in hell.


Dooderz, you live on Long Island.

This complicates your statement in A LOT of ways.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Snorri1234 on Fri May 16, 2008 5:56 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
oggiss wrote:Stop complaining about the fucking gas prices. In Sweden we pay ~$7,57 per gallon -_-

Damn, that's cheap, it's about 1$ more than that here in Germany.


We pay about 10$ a gallon over here. :(
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby CoffeeCream on Fri May 16, 2008 6:03 pm

Iz Man wrote:Two expenses I don't have to pay for:

Cell phone & gas :lol:


Why's that?
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Hologram on Fri May 16, 2008 11:46 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... Americans don't know how cheap they've had it for so long, lowest prices on the planet for decades.

... I worked at a gas station back in my school days and I remember my boss would come in in the morning, get in his car, then drive around town writing the prices every other station had set. He'd then come back and set our price somewhere in the middle. Not a lot of science or calculation went into the decision.

... And this was a SpeedWay. Wonder if folks still do that.

...

Well, that's mostly because the U.S. has a thing called emininent domain that allows the government to take any property, reimburse the owner, and use it for development, which allows it to build large highways and streets where people usually wouldn't be willing to give up their property.

Europe doesn't have that, and as such, they have to keep as many people off the roads as possible, so they institute a high gas tax.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat May 17, 2008 12:04 am

Hologram wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Americans don't know how cheap they've had it for so long, lowest prices on the planet for decades.

... I worked at a gas station back in my school days and I remember my boss would come in in the morning, get in his car, then drive around town writing the prices every other station had set. He'd then come back and set our price somewhere in the middle. Not a lot of science or calculation went into the decision.

... And this was a SpeedWay. Wonder if folks still do that.

...

Well, that's mostly because the U.S. has a thing called emininent domain that allows the government to take any property, reimburse the owner, and use it for development, which allows it to build large highways and streets where people usually wouldn't be willing to give up their property.

Europe doesn't have that, and as such, they have to keep as many people off the roads as possible, so they institute a high gas tax.


(a) are you boasting or complaining? it's not clear.

(b) I'm not sure what you're comment has to do with the post you're quoting

(c) The UK at least has something called "compulsory purchase" which seems to be the same thing.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Hologram on Sat May 17, 2008 12:08 am

jonesthecurl wrote:
Hologram wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Americans don't know how cheap they've had it for so long, lowest prices on the planet for decades.

... I worked at a gas station back in my school days and I remember my boss would come in in the morning, get in his car, then drive around town writing the prices every other station had set. He'd then come back and set our price somewhere in the middle. Not a lot of science or calculation went into the decision.

... And this was a SpeedWay. Wonder if folks still do that.

...

Well, that's mostly because the U.S. has a thing called emininent domain that allows the government to take any property, reimburse the owner, and use it for development, which allows it to build large highways and streets where people usually wouldn't be willing to give up their property.

Europe doesn't have that, and as such, they have to keep as many people off the roads as possible, so they institute a high gas tax.


(a) are you boasting or complaining? it's not clear.

(b) I'm not sure what you're comment has to do with the post you're quoting

(c) The UK at least has something called "compulsory purchase" which seems to be the same thing.
A) Neither, I'm merely commenting on the reason why America's oil prices were so cheap for so long (still are cheap, really)

B)
... Americans don't know how cheap they've had it for so long, lowest prices on the planet for decades.


C) Okay. I don't know the specific details about all the European countries, but it's mainly the Continent that I was talking about.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby radiojake on Sat May 17, 2008 12:38 am

Gas / Petrol prices should be doubled with tax (even more than it already is) and the money the government makes from that should be used to implement better and more public transit systems.. It'll also encourage people to get off their fat ass and ride a bike


N.B - I'm well aware of the fact if my pricing proposal was implemented, that there would be 0% chance that the extra tax funds would be used to better the public transport systems, but instead for better and longer holidays for politicians.. but the idea in the first place would be good -
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby reminisco on Sat May 17, 2008 1:39 am

how many more brown people do we have to kill in the desert before gas gets cheap again?

i thought we were supposed to kill less than we already have, but it looks like we just gotta kill more of them. and maybe. just hope. and send your sons and daughters to fight for WMD. right.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Interfacer PH on Sun May 18, 2008 12:55 am

reminisco wrote:how many more brown people do we have to kill in the desert before gas gets cheap again?


We should figure out how to use their blood as fuel...
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Iz Man on Sun May 18, 2008 10:21 am

CoffeeCream wrote:
Iz Man wrote:Two expenses I don't have to pay for:

Cell phone & gas :lol:


Why's that?

Company vehicle, company phone.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Snorri1234 on Sun May 18, 2008 10:26 am

radiojake wrote:Gas / Petrol prices should be doubled with tax (even more than it already is)


I pay about 70% tax over my fuel.
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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby Nobunaga on Wed May 21, 2008 12:02 pm

... And now the House of Reps is going to sue OPEC.

... What a gaggle of idiots we have in government. Unbelievable.

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Re: GAS PRICES

Postby spurgistan on Sun May 25, 2008 2:14 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... And now the House of Reps is going to sue OPEC.

... What a gaggle of idiots we have in government. Unbelievable.

...


Who else are they supposed to get angry at? The energy companies (who are making most of the profits) who own their souls and their re-election funds? Please.

Or maybe, if they reallly wanted to get fired, they could maybe ask their constituents to maybe not consume so g-damn much. No, we get a gas tax holiday.
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