If America had another civil war...

[suggs]

Go Hawaii.

[Jenos Ridan]

The West has a geography suited to a defensive guerrilla war: the mountain passes in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Colorado and such can he easily sealed with minefields, alpine patrols and, if the CINC chooses and chemical industries premit, high-persistance nerve agents such as VX can be air-deployed like the above minefields. In the Southwest, the climate is harsh and generally not worth occupiding, perfect for basing gurellia forces. Perhaps the only drawback is the shortage of deep-water harbors like the Puget Sound and San Francisco Bay. Unlike the Northeast, the West is lightly populated, but this opens other doors tactically. However, the West does have military installations like Bangor Naval Base and the company Boeing, headquartered in Seattle, can bring other boons to the military.

The Midwest has the bulk of food production and had a number of the major manufacturing centers such as Detriot. However, she is landlocked and has to fight to reach the sea lanes. While not as heavilly populated as the Northeast, the agricultural and industrial might alone translate into an immense starting position.

The Northeast has a number of good harbors, rivaled only by the South. In addition to numerous good harbors, she also has the highest population and has a fair number of industrail sites to exploit, second only to the Midwest.

The South is not very well populated, and never had been. Until the last century, it has been a rural backwater with minimal industries. Ill-equiped in the last civil war, she remains ill-equiped to fight the next. Perhaps the only saving grace is the location of military centers like Hampton Roads, Fort Benning, Annapolis and King's Bay.

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The West goes into isolation, the Midwest and the Northest duke it out over the South in order to attain the Gulf oil reserves before diverting attention to the West. In the early stages, arms are being stockpiled, militias are being trained and the Air National Guard is taking over the formerly Federal Air Force Bases.

The South, in a repeat of the last civil war, knowing that it cannot fight a defensive war, instead takes the example of the Confederate Army under Robert E. Lee and takes the fight to the Northeast and the Midwest, hoping to win by demoralization.

The Northeast attempts to blockade the South while maintaining the North Atlantic Sea Trade. "Yankee" merchants begin buying arms and industrial goods in Europe, bolstering the local industries for the coming push West.

The Midwest, without need or desire to immediately construct a navy, turns it's industries to artillery and armored fighting vehicals. Many factory towns, slumbering for years and even decades, roar to life, producing the tools of war.


Who will win is anyone's guess.

[muy_thaiguy]

Just to point out, Texas and Wyoming produce most of the oil used throughout the US, and several other countries. Plus one needs to factor in the altitude change, especially in the Mountain West (Denver having the name "Mile High City" and many other cities and towns at even higher elevations).

[Jenos Ridan]

The biggest hurdle to conquering the western states, especially in this era of technological warfare is that the area one would need to occupy in order to quell gurellias, a strain on man-power reserves. Also, the West would likely have a powerful air force. Like the Northeast, we too have access to the riches of the sea.

We need only employ attrition, and the enemy will come to the negociating table.

[tzor]

This is a tough call. Technically speaking both sides have advanced too far to really allow any war that would not simply be decided just as most CC games are by the roll of unfair dice.

The differences between northern and sourthern states before the civil war are either gone or no longer apply to modern warfare. (It's not like you would have a crisis because a salt shortage means that food preservation was no longer possible, for example.)

[xerro]

its obvious that Alaska would win.......
they are already talking about succeeding from the union.....
plus they have enough resources to fight a long, grueling war......
plus Alaska is three times the size of Texas, it is actually 1/3 of the U.S.
if Alaska decides to go to war, then it'd be smarter to run and hide than it would be to fight........

[jbrettlip]

No one lives in Alaska. If it was based simply on land mass, Africa would be a world power, along wiht greenland and Antarctica.

[Serbia]

I voted for the North and the South.

No really. I actually voted for both. Seriously.

[Jenos Ridan]

This is a tough call. Technically speaking both sides have advanced too far to really allow any war that would not simply be decided just as most CC games are by the roll of unfair dice.

The differences between northern and sourthern states before the civil war are either gone or no longer apply to modern warfare. (It's not like you would have a crisis because a salt shortage means that food preservation was no longer possible, for example.)

This is true, it would be hard to say for certain how it would go down.

It certainly would only have a resemblance to the last civil war, but would not be a total repeat.

[tzor]

As far as I know the last attempt at secession from the union was the Conch Republic which still gets into the annoyance of the State of Florida from time to time (with the most recent incident only 2 years ago).

[whitestazn88]

midwest would wreck people's shit. all the people do there is manual labor so they're jacked like fucking the worlds strongest man, their girls got nice tits because of all the veggies and fresh meat they get there, so their children would wreck shit, they got missle silos, they got food, they don't have boats though....

[muy_thaiguy]

midwest would wreck people's shit. all the people do there is manual labor so they're jacked like fucking the worlds strongest man, their girls got nice tits because of all the veggies and fresh meat they get there, so their children would wreck shit, they got missle silos, they got food, they don't have boats though....

Don't really need boats put here.

[Pedronicus]

My theoretical question was based on if the same states that were involved in the original north south war went to war against each other- what would happen? who would win?

[tzor]

My theoretical question was based on if the same states that were involved in the original north south war went to war against each other- what would happen? who would win?

The problem is that modern warfare has gotten so evolved that the original states are simply too small and close to each other for any reasonable argument other than just "random luck." Both sides would be evenly divided in all areas (as opposed to the original conflict). Neither side has a significant resource weakness that could be exploited.