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Political Ideology

Postby gimil on Tue May 13, 2008 4:30 pm

Got an exam on political ideology tomorrow. If anyone wants to do me a favour and right some basic facts about Liberalism, Conservatism and socialism I would be greatful. Reading an alternative viewpoint will help me get the info better in my little noodle :)
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby nagerous on Tue May 13, 2008 4:49 pm

I would help but I am currently in the process of writing 3000 words for thursday on whether museums only display trophies, 1400 done so far.
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby Frigidus on Tue May 13, 2008 4:52 pm

gimil wrote:Got an exam on political ideology tomorrow. If anyone wants to do me a favour and right some basic facts about Liberalism, Conservatism and socialism I would be greatful. Ready an alternative viewpoint wil help me get the info better in my little noodle :)


Like in general? That's pretty broad.
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby gimil on Tue May 13, 2008 4:53 pm

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gimil wrote:Got an exam on political ideology tomorrow. If anyone wants to do me a favour and right some basic facts about Liberalism, Conservatism and socialism I would be greatful. Ready an alternative viewpoint wil help me get the info better in my little noodle :)


Like in general? That's pretty broad.


Pretty much
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby Frigidus on Tue May 13, 2008 4:56 pm

In lieu of actually writing about that (I wouldn't even know where to begin), here's a list of beliefs they differ on.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/other/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby gimil on Tue May 13, 2008 5:01 pm

Frigidus wrote:In lieu of actually writing about that (I wouldn't even know where to begin), here's a list of beliefs they differ on.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/other/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/


That was intresting but not what I asked for. Im talking the facts behindte ideologys, not there opinions on policies. (Althought they are closly related) Plus im british so once I read patriot act I knew and talk of gun control I knew alot of the info would be no good to me ;)

Im looking for info like the liberals view on the state or socialists view of the main political unit etc
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby Empress Wu on Tue May 13, 2008 5:53 pm

I would recommend Wikipedia. 8-)
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby gimil on Tue May 13, 2008 6:01 pm

Empress Wu wrote:I would recommend Wikipedia. 8-)


Every acedemic institution in the world would disagree ;)
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby Empress Wu on Tue May 13, 2008 6:05 pm

...but some of those institutions regularly produce research that is much inferior to that developed at Wikipedia. :|
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby muy_thaiguy on Tue May 13, 2008 6:09 pm

Conservatism- Following up with what the Constitution says (don't take Libertarians seriously when they say they are the real Conservatives). Low taxes, States have own rights and laws.

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Re: Political Ideology

Postby spurgistan on Tue May 13, 2008 6:13 pm

To err on the extreme side of terseness, liberals want to expand those protected by the state, whereas conservatives want to maintain the status quo or retract the rights given by the state. Socialists wish for "unto each according to his need, from each according to his ability."
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby spurgistan on Tue May 13, 2008 6:14 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:Conservatism- Following up with what the Constitution says (don't take Libertarians seriously when they say they are the real Conservatives). Low taxes, States have own rights and laws.

You need to be specific on what you need.


Seeing as gimil's a Scot, not too sure, the Constitution is too relevant, never mind federalism ;)
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby gimil on Tue May 13, 2008 6:50 pm

spurgistan wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:Conservatism- Following up with what the Constitution says (don't take Libertarians seriously when they say they are the real Conservatives). Low taxes, States have own rights and laws.

You need to be specific on what you need.


Seeing as gimil's a Scot, not too sure, the Constitution is too relevant, never mind federalism ;)


Correct :)

I liked your quote before hand as well summed up alot into a few sentences.
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby reminisco on Thu May 15, 2008 11:38 am

liberals = generally smart, but their females tend to either be militantly cold fishes, or incredibly easy. just prattle on about the struggle for women's liberation for about five minutes, and their birkenstocks will end up pointing to the heavens.

conservatives = could be smart if they were capable of walking in other people's shoes. since they aren't, getting sex from the ladies isn't that hard, you just have to play a part. you have to have all the right clothes, drop all the right names, have good table manners. and then they will do you. just don't mention who you voted for in 2004, cause she'll drop your ass on the quick.

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Re: Political Ideology

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu May 15, 2008 11:55 am

spurgistan wrote:To err on the extreme side of terseness, liberals want to expand those protected by the state, whereas conservatives want to maintain the status quo or retract the rights given by the state. Socialists wish for "unto each according to his need, from each according to his ability."

Certainly one way to put it, but another would be: Liberals-Apologists whom seem to feel guilty of being white and want conservatives to feel the same way too.
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby spurgistan on Thu May 15, 2008 11:59 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:
spurgistan wrote:To err on the extreme side of terseness, liberals want to expand those protected by the state, whereas conservatives want to maintain the status quo or retract the rights given by the state. Socialists wish for "unto each according to his need, from each according to his ability."

Certainly one way to put it, but another would be: Liberals-Apologists whom seem to feel guilty of being white and want conservatives to feel the same way too.
Conservatives-Believe that everyone has the ability to work their way to the top, no matter the background and feel no shame in being what they are.


If you're a conservative, yeah, that's a great way of describing the fundamental differences between libs and cons in a manner in which to belittle liberals. However, not sure that would help in gimil's report dealie. Actually, it might.
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby Bertros Bertros on Thu May 15, 2008 12:00 pm

gimil wrote:
Empress Wu wrote:I would recommend Wikipedia. 8-)


Every acedemic institution in the world would disagree ;)


But they would be perfectly happy with for example...

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Re: Political Ideology

Postby Bertros Bertros on Thu May 15, 2008 12:01 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
spurgistan wrote:To err on the extreme side of terseness, liberals want to expand those protected by the state, whereas conservatives want to maintain the status quo or retract the rights given by the state. Socialists wish for "unto each according to his need, from each according to his ability."

Certainly one way to put it, but another would be: Liberals-Apologists whom seem to feel guilty of being white and want conservatives to feel the same way too.
Conservatives-Believe that everyone has the ability to work their way to the top, no matter the background and feel no shame in being what they are.


So does that mean all liberals are white? You learn something everyday...
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby jiminski on Thu May 15, 2008 12:04 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
spurgistan wrote:To err on the extreme side of terseness, liberals want to expand those protected by the state, whereas conservatives want to maintain the status quo or retract the rights given by the state. Socialists wish for "unto each according to his need, from each according to his ability."

Certainly one way to put it, but another would be: Liberals-Apologists whom seem to feel guilty of being white and want conservatives to feel the same way too.
Conservatives-Believe that everyone has the ability to work their way to the top, no matter the background and feel no shame in being what they are.


The Liberal Tradition is very different on this side of the Atlantic. In America, from what i have experienced, it is an insult used to label wishy-washy procrastinators, who have no balls.

In the UK Liberalism has historically been the high-minded pursuit of the empowerment of the individual to improve society as a whole; a micro-social answer to the problems of civilisation.. it is in that sense the diametric opposite to Socialism which attempts a macro-social solution.

One of the founding concepts of Liberalism is Utilitarianism. The basic formula of this political theory being that all laws or actions can be judged as acceptable if they add to the general happiness of society. If it is consensually accepted that a law or action adversely affects society it should be changed.
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu May 15, 2008 12:04 pm

reminisco wrote:liberals = generally smart, but their females tend to either be militantly cold fishes, or incredibly easy. just prattle on about the struggle for women's liberation for about five minutes, and their birkenstocks will end up pointing to the heavens.

conservatives = could be smart if they were capable of walking in other people's shoes. since they aren't, getting sex from the ladies isn't that hard, you just have to play a part. you have to have all the right clothes, drop all the right names, have good table manners. and then they will do you. just don't mention who you voted for in 2004, cause she'll drop your ass on the quick.

socialists = communists. they want to eat your braynes.

This makes EXACTLY as much sense as saying that blacks are a bunch of cannabalistic tribesfolk ...

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Re: Political Ideology

Postby Anarkistsdream on Thu May 15, 2008 12:11 pm

gimil wrote:
Frigidus wrote:In lieu of actually writing about that (I wouldn't even know where to begin), here's a list of beliefs they differ on.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/other/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/


That was intresting but not what I asked for. Im talking the facts behindte ideologys, not there opinions on policies. (Althought they are closly related) Plus im british so once I read patriot act I knew and talk of gun control I knew alot of the info would be no good to me ;)

Im looking for info like the liberals view on the state or socialists view of the main political unit etc



You should have stated you were only looking for British info, then... It is fairly amazingly different depending on what locale you are speaking of...
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu May 15, 2008 12:22 pm

jiminski wrote:The Liberal Tradition is very different on this side of the Atlantic. In America, from what i have experienced, it is an insult used to label wishy-washy procrastinators, who have no balls.
Only if you listen to Fox and other conservative news sources.

For the rest of the world, Liberalism means you feel that the government has a roll in ensuring that the powerful don't completely overpower and exploit the less powerful.   Schools need to be supported because our society is better if each child is educated with certain basic information, including reading, math, science, how our government works and enough other stuff to be able to think intelligently.The environment needs to be protected because company self interests DO NOT take externalities into account.  Pollution hurts us all, but individual companies can profit if allowed to pollute... the check and balance of the market don't work there, so the government has a roll.Similarly, the government have a roll in ensuring a decent transportation system. HOWEVER, liberals want individual freedoms, such as the right to speak on various topics, the right to have your own religion (as long as its not harmful to others), etc. 
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Conservatives talk about freedom from government, but really just mean economic freedom of large companies.  Ironically, within the US at least, when it comes to individual freedom, they WANT government control ... they want the government to mandate certain religious principals,  etc.   They generally do support the use and ownership of guns, but want certain limits to free speech.
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Socialists  feel the government is best in charge of most everything.  They want a certain amount of free market, but then want taxes to equalize what folks get and how they live, at least when it comes to necessities.
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In reality, NO one form will suffice in a real government.  In reality, we need a combination of all of these.
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu May 15, 2008 2:01 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
jiminski wrote:The Liberal Tradition is very different on this side of the Atlantic. In America, from what i have experienced, it is an insult used to label wishy-washy procrastinators, who have no balls.
Only if you listen to Fox and other conservative news sources.

For the rest of the world, Liberalism means you feel that the government has a roll in ensuring that the powerful don't completely overpower and exploit the less powerful. Schools need to be supported because our society is better if each child is educated with certain basic information, including reading, math, science, how our government works and enough other stuff to be able to think intelligently.The environment needs to be protected because company self interests DO NOT take externalities into account. Pollution hurts us all, but individual companies can profit if allowed to pollute... the check and balance of the market don't work there, so the government has a roll.Similarly, the government have a roll in ensuring a decent transportation system. HOWEVER, liberals want individual freedoms, such as the right to speak on various topics, the right to have your own religion (as long as its not harmful to others), etc.
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Conservatives talk about freedom from government, but really just mean economic freedom of large companies. Ironically, within the US at least, when it comes to individual freedom, they WANT government control ... they want the government to mandate certain religious principals, etc. They generally do support the use and ownership of guns, but want certain limits to free speech.
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Socialists feel the government is best in charge of most everything. They want a certain amount of free market, but then want taxes to equalize what folks get and how they live, at least when it comes to necessities.
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In reality, NO one form will suffice in a real government. In reality, we need a combination of all of these.

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Re: Political Ideology

Postby spurgistan on Thu May 15, 2008 5:16 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
jiminski wrote:The Liberal Tradition is very different on this side of the Atlantic. In America, from what i have experienced, it is an insult used to label wishy-washy procrastinators, who have no balls.
Only if you listen to Fox and other conservative news sources.

For the rest of the world, Liberalism means you feel that the government has a roll in ensuring that the powerful don't completely overpower and exploit the less powerful. Schools need to be supported because our society is better if each child is educated with certain basic information, including reading, math, science, how our government works and enough other stuff to be able to think intelligently.The environment needs to be protected because company self interests DO NOT take externalities into account. Pollution hurts us all, but individual companies can profit if allowed to pollute... the check and balance of the market don't work there, so the government has a roll.Similarly, the government have a roll in ensuring a decent transportation system. HOWEVER, liberals want individual freedoms, such as the right to speak on various topics, the right to have your own religion (as long as its not harmful to others), etc.
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Conservatives talk about freedom from government, but really just mean economic freedom of large companies. Ironically, within the US at least, when it comes to individual freedom, they WANT government control ... they want the government to mandate certain religious principals, etc. They generally do support the use and ownership of guns, but want certain limits to free speech.
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Socialists feel the government is best in charge of most everything. They want a certain amount of free market, but then want taxes to equalize what folks get and how they live, at least when it comes to necessities.
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In reality, NO one form will suffice in a real government. In reality, we need a combination of all of these.

Jimmy (Jiminski) is a Brit...


Says the guy who was lecturing a Scot on how conservatives are the party that respects the Constitution :lol:
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Re: Political Ideology

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu May 15, 2008 5:19 pm

He wasn't being specific about the kind of Conservative, so how was I supposed to know?
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