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A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby got tonkaed on Thu May 01, 2008 10:12 am

Since no one else has posted anything about it yet...it seems like i might as well.

May 1st marks the 5th anniversary of the infamous president bush "mission accomplished" speech. According to some lefty thing i was reading this morning, 97 percent of the deaths in Iraq have occurred after this speech, with the just finished April being one of the bloodiest months on record, with 46 Americans dead i believe, to say nothing about the number of Iraqi dead.

While this day is probably more likely remembered from the left as an easy jab at some of the failures of the current administration, its probably helpful for everyone (no matter where you are on the spectrum) to continue to remember that there is still a war going on and to not let it fade completely to the back burner.
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby reminisco on Thu May 01, 2008 11:39 am

one of my best friends came back from Iraq in a box.

not a day goes by I don't think of our countrymen and our allies over there.

the big picture means nothing to the individual. so many servicemen and women are over there because they really believe in the ability to change things for the better, and i have to admire it, despite my conclusion that it's not the right war. however, that doesn't make the war any less their own, to the individuals fighting it.

perhaps that makes their sacrifices so much more tragic, and why i feel compelled to help those who've suffered from the costs of the war in the small way i can.
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby bedub1 on Thu May 01, 2008 11:39 am

got tonkaed wrote:its probably helpful for everyone (no matter where you are on the spectrum) to continue to remember that there is still a war going on and to not let it fade completely to the back burner.


Thanks. I love hearing the Truth from friends and family and people I meet who have actually been there/done that, instead of hearing it from the lying media.

reminisco wrote:so many servicemen and women are over there because they really believe in the ability to change things for the better, and i have to admire it

The people on the ground believe it....why can't we support them and what they believe in?
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby reminisco on Thu May 01, 2008 11:47 am

bedub1 wrote:
reminisco wrote:so many servicemen and women are over there because they really believe in the ability to change things for the better, and i have to admire it

The people on the ground believe it....why can't we support them and what they believe in?


a very large part of me wants to agree with you, and it breaks my heart to think of my own conviction. but ultimately it comes down to that horrible September morning in 2001, when they killed friends of mine and tried to kill my family members.

as was said in "Man on Fire", forgiveness is between them and God, but i'll happily expedite their meeting. i was actually seriously going to enlist after i finished up with college, but then we went to Iraq, and I had no guarantee i'd go fight the war I truly believe in -- the one in Afghanistan against the terrorists.

and despite any arguments about how Iraq has been a magnet for al-Qaeda, it wasn't one before we invaded. i've disagreed with the execution of the Iraq war from the start, and am not willing to place my life in the hands of leadership i have no confidence in. this does not, however, diminish my empathy, sympathy, gratitude, and support for the men and women on the ground in Iraq. i have none of that for the suits who sent my peers to bleed out in the desert.

but that's just me. just the individual. of course you may think differently. I can only hope for a satisfactory conclusion to the war in Iraq, but am bitterly ashamed that our nation invaded in the first place, without the proper preparations or consensus.
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby bedub1 on Thu May 01, 2008 11:55 am

reminisco wrote:I can only hope for a satisfactory conclusion to the war in Iraq, but am bitterly ashamed that our nation invaded in the first place, without the proper preparations or consensus.


Your conclusions are fantastic, well done. Regardless of why we are there, whether it is for the right or wrong reason, and whether we are in the right or wrong place, we are there, and stuck, and must go the distance and finish what has been started. If we fail, then we shall have accomplished nothing more than to turn a once stable nation (although ruled by hitler) into a structureless nation caught up in disarray.
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby suggs on Thu May 01, 2008 6:13 pm

Naturally, being a lazy arse, i only read the first post of this thread.
Yes, there is still a war going on.
Thats sad, because theres never been a good war-perhaps a VERY few that were necessary. (WW II being the only example that springs to mind, making it a very dodgy war to draw any historical parallels from).
So yep-remember and respect the dead, wasted lives, youngsters that have been senselsesly killed is a tragedy.
So remember the dead-and lets stop it now, already.
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby Neoteny on Thu May 01, 2008 8:47 pm

A friend of mine just got back from Iraq. I'm pretty stoked about seeing him again, but for some reason he and his girlfriend aren't inviting us over until they get their new couch in on the 9th.

Not to disrespect the mood, or anything. But being involved in the military my whole life, it's hard to forget anyhow. I just love seeing people come home. Especially the kids.
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby bedub1 on Fri May 02, 2008 9:55 am

Neoteny wrote:A friend of mine just got back from Iraq. I'm pretty stoked about seeing him again, but for some reason he and his girlfriend aren't inviting us over until they get their new couch in on the 9th.

Not to disrespect the mood, or anything. But being involved in the military my whole life, it's hard to forget anyhow. I just love seeing people come home. Especially the kids.


sounds like they want 7 days to be by themselves.....
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby reminisco on Fri May 02, 2008 11:16 am

bedub1 wrote:
Neoteny wrote:A friend of mine just got back from Iraq. I'm pretty stoked about seeing him again, but for some reason he and his girlfriend aren't inviting us over until they get their new couch in on the 9th.

Not to disrespect the mood, or anything. But being involved in the military my whole life, it's hard to forget anyhow. I just love seeing people come home. Especially the kids.


sounds like they want 7 days to be by themselves.....


yeah, i can certainly understand why they'd want some alone decompression time. don't take it personally, cause i'm sure it's not meant that way, Neoteny.
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Re: A 5 year anniversary to forget...

Postby Neoteny on Fri May 02, 2008 8:50 pm

Neoteny wrote:A friend of mine just got back from Iraq. I'm pretty stoked about seeing him again, but for some reason he and his girlfriend aren't inviting us over until they get their new couch in on the 9th.

Not to disrespect the mood, or anything. But being involved in the military my whole life, it's hard to forget anyhow. I just love seeing people come home. Especially the kids.


He's been home for a couple weeks, plus I understand the feeling. I just think the excuse was humorous.
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