"White-Pride" - Is this name meant to be offensive?

by **MikeFromLux** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:13 am

Or is it just a coincidence that the term "White-Pride" is used by whtie supremacists? The following logo is the main image on the landing page of a site called stormfront - they claim to be the 'white supremacist resource page'

LINK TO THIER SITE Before Clicking this link - be aware that you are about to enter Storm Front - a white supremacist website - the above logo as an image is on their main page

THREE QUESTIONS FOR THE CC COMMUNITY -
1. IS THIS NAME A HAPLESS COINCIDENCE?
2. OR IS IT TOO ASSOCIATED WITH THE WHITE SUPREMACY MOVEMENT TO BE CONSIDERED RACIST?
3. DOES CC CARE IF SOMEONE USES A MOTO - TOME OR SLOGAN OF ANY HATE GROUP?

by **scarface99x** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:12 am

So if his name said Black-Pride would that be less offensive?

by **MikeFromLux** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:31 am

scarface99x wrote:So if his name said Black-Pride would that be less offensive?

his name does not say black-pride - for the record, I am a caucasian American. I find the name offensive - but that was not the reason for the abuse post. It was however, what had me look at his other games, and upon review - I suspected that he was a multi.

by **greenoaks** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:27 am

you did not answer the question. what it be ok if he was called black-pride?

by **MikeFromLux** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:33 am

What his name is not - any variation - is irrelevant. His name is White-Pride. I find that name offensive.

by **Dancing Mustard** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:57 am

Well then, until you're willing to admit that your feelings are based on an illogical double-standard, then you'll just have to suffer in silence.

Possible variations of the username in question are absolutely of relevance here, because it is only by reference to them that you will be able to justify any offense you take to the username 'white-pride'. Now, either open up and explain why you find 'White-Pride' offensive, whereas you find other names inoffensive (i.e. identify what is wrong with it); or give your whining a rest.

Let's remember that nobody just has a right to declare any arbitrary username offensive unless they can back up that complaint with a legitimate and logical reason for the said offense; what you've been asked to do by other users Mike, is to explain why you find "white-pride" offensive, whereas you would find similar nicknames (black, blue, red, yellow, etc) unoffensive. If you can't do that, then you haven't given any logical reason for CC's staff and community to find the username in question offensive, and as such you haven't made any case for action to be taken to alter it.

Get debating, or get tolerant. Your choice.

In short: Until you're willing to debate the reasons for your offense (in relation to possible offence from similar names), then your complaint is just subjective unsupported whinging; and so far as I'm aware CC isn't yet in the business of acting on the passing whims and fancys of whingy individuals.

Good Day.

by **MikeFromLux** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:36 pm

This thread is about a suspected Multi - who happens to have a name that I find offensive. I don't have to justify my sensibilities in this thread to anyone - your posts are irrelevant in my opinion - in this thread.

If you want to debate race - usernames - or whatever, open your own thread.

by **MikeFromLux** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:43 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:Let's remember that nobody just has a right to declare any arbitrary username offensive unless they can back up that complaint with a legitimate and logical reason for the said offense; what you've been asked to do by other users Mike, is to explain why you find "white-pride" offensive, whereas you would find similar nicknames (black, blue, red, yellow, etc) unoffensive. If you can't do that, then you haven't given any logical reason for CC's staff and community to find the username in question offensive, and as such you haven't made any case for action to be taken to alter it.

Fair enough - allow me to explain.

Dancing Mustard wrote:Possible variations of the username in question are absolutely of relevance here, because it is only by reference to them that you will be able to justify any offense you take to the username 'white-pride'.

I could not dis-agree with the above statement more - that the variations are relevant - (THEY ARE NOT RELEVANT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON)

I have never seen a user named - Black-Red-Blue-Yellow - or any other name... their existence would be irrelevant to what offends me by White-Pride. Google it if you must - but the term 'White-Pride' is a slogan and is featured on flags used by white supremacists. Because it is a known symbol or tome of racism - I am offended by it. All other variations of Words (colors) and the Word Pride are irrelevant to the 'offensiveness' of White-Pride. - For the record, I have never seen the words 'Black-Pride' used a slogan or on a racist flag. My feelings regarding the term or use of a username such as 'black-pride' are irrelevant to what offends me about 'white-pride'

by **scarface99x** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:56 pm

I suppose the black panthers don't count as a racist organization :roll:

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Anyway why is this guy a multi? Just looking at his games I think I can only find 2 games where he even played the same person twice. I'll admit I didn't read the logs. Also the game you put up is a 1vs1 game and you being the other player so are you the multi with him or ?

by **GabonX** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:41 pm

scarface99x wrote:I suppose the black panthers don't count as a racist organization .
Anyway why is this guy a multi? Just looking at his games I think I can only find 2 games where he even played the same person twice. I'll admit I didn't read the logs. Also the game you put up is a 1vs1 game and you being the other player so are you the multi with him or ?

That would make him a white supremacist wouldn't it.

Well I for one am disgusted...

by **dustn64** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:49 pm

His name isn't offensive. Quit Crying.

EDIT: This whole thread is stupid. unless he is a multi with you, the game you provided is useless.

by **MikeFromLux** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:36 pm

scarface99x wrote:I suppose the black panthers don't count as a racist organization

Roll your eyes all you want - but your logic is faulty. Nothing - regardless of how you spin it -is relevant to his name - only what his name is. It is not the word White - or the word Pride - it is the combination of the words. White-Pride is a slogan used on flags of the White Supremacy movement - it is offensive.

Your Black Panthers arguement (if that is what it is) is ludacrous - Exactly how does the existance of Black Panthers as an organization not make White-Power racist????? If I understand you correctly - (if I don't, please explain) Your arguement is like saying - KKK uses letters - so does MADD - so that makes KKK ok... one has nothing to do with the other.

by **MikeFromLux** on Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:01 pm

dustn64 wrote:His name isn't offensive. Quit Crying.

you don't find white supremacy slogans offensive?

dustn64 wrote:EDIT: This whole thread is stupid. unless he is a multi with you, the game you provided is useless.

THanks for your insightful contribution

by **GabonX** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:26 am

MikeFromLux wrote:
scarface99x wrote:I suppose the black panthers don't count as a racist organization

Roll your eyes all you want - but your logic is faulty. Nothing - regardless of how you spin it -is relevant to his name - only what his name is. It is not the word White - or the word Pride - it is the combination of the words. White-Pride is a slogan used on flags of the White Supremacy movement - it is offensive.

Your Black Panthers arguement (if that is what it is) is ludacrous - Exactly how does the existance of Black Panthers as an organization not make White-Power racist????? If I understand you correctly - (if I don't, please explain) Your arguement is like saying - KKK uses letters - so does MADD - so that makes KKK ok... one has nothing to do with the other.

Did you ever see the episode of The Simpsons with the TV special called Krusty Komedy Klassic? The initials were KKK but it wasn't meant to be offensive...

...A question for everyone who has posted on this thread, Would the name Black-Pride be suitable? I think that the people who think that the name White-Pride is allright are likely to be offended by the name Black-Pride and the that the person who started this topic will claim that Black-Pride is acceptable.

Either they are both acceptable or both unacceptable as it is unfair for one group to be allowed to proclaim pride in their race and not the other.

My stance is that people should be allowed to express racism. Isn't it better to know who these people are?

by **lancehoch** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:31 am

MikeFromLux, "Black-Pride" was a slogan used by the Black Panthers. This is the point that people are trying to make. I understand that being from a European country near Germany, you take offense to the use of the slogan as a name. The part that you have failed to see, because people were not being clear, is that other racial groups use similar slogans for reasons that are of the same vein. Link

by **Dancing Mustard** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:27 am

Thanks for that Bob; you're quite right the thing that I think we're circling around is that 'black-pride' is frequently used as a slogan for groups which celebrate pride in African-Ancestry (and sometimes something more sinister), but that its use is regarded as inoffensive by most people; on the other hand when the term 'white-pride' is used people immediately associate it with racists and nazis.

Basically, I can't bring myself to find the notion of 'being proud to be white' offensive (and the same with being proud to be black), as such I can't find the moniker 'white-pride' offensive per se. Sure, other groups who I don't agree with may have hijacked the term and used it to label an offensive organisation; but that surely shouldn't prohibit the term from being used by normal people for its intended purpose?

There is nothing offensive per se about the words 'white-pride', to make them offensive you'd need to provide something alongside them to show that they were being used to make a racist statement. For that reason, I can't bring myself to agree that the username WP is offensive... sure its user may be a hideous racist, and he might be a multi, but without more his username has to be regarded as being fine (as it would be if you used an colour other than white).

by **BeakerWMA** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:55 am

I'm confused...how can you accuse someone of being a multi but provide no other user names?

and I can see why someone could find the user name offensive. I know I really POed the petri dish clique with my handle.

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:51 am

lancehoch wrote:MikeFromLux, "Black-Pride" was a slogan used by the Black Panthers. This is the point that people are trying to make. I understand that being from a European country near Germany, you take offense to the use of the slogan as a name. The part that you have failed to see, because people were not being clear, is that other racial groups use similar slogans for reasons that are of the same vein. Link

BUt I have not seen a user named 'black-pride' - So what is the relevance? This user's name is 'White-pride' - that is clearly a Slogan that is used on flags and banners of white supremacists. No other organization has anything to do with it. Much as in the same way the Battle Flag of the Confederate Army (US Civil War) has no inherent Racism in it - it does not say anything - it is nothing but colors or blue and red - with stars. However, it has been adopted by Racist groups - co-opted by the KKK, and many other Hate groups - because of this, the States of Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama have stoped flying the Confederate Battle Flag on their State Capitals. But their decision had nothing to do with the existance of 'Black Panthers Flags' ---- To point out that 'well black pride is equally offensive' - when determining the offensiveness of 'white-pride' is simply ridiculous. THe only way that this woud be a 'double-standard' as someone put it - was that my own user name was 'black-pride' - which it is clearly not.

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:55 am

GabonX wrote:
...A question for everyone who has posted on this thread, Would the name Black-Pride be suitable? I think that the people who think that the name White-Pride is allright are likely to be offended by the name Black-Pride and the that the person who started this topic will claim that Black-Pride is acceptable.

I never said that 'black-pride' would be acceptable - or un-acceptable. I said that it was irrelevant. Show me a user with the name 'black-pride' and then I will comment. One user name has nothing to do with the other. White-pride is a tome of racism - and has been adobpted by racist movements. Logically speaking - the existance or non-existance of other versions of the word pride with any other color are irrelevant. If you want me to comment on whether 'black-pride' is an offensive user name - make one. Until then, stop trying to create an arguement where there isn't one. White-pride is offensive - regardless of anything else, because it is not the word pride or the word white that makes it offensive - it is the fact that the two words combined are used on flags - banners - as slogans - and all type of propoganda by white supremacists - black-pride has nothing to do with it.

by **greenoaks** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:22 am

it is extremely relevant whether or not you would allow a user to create the name black-pride. if you would allow blacks to express pride in their colour while prohibiting whites from expressing pride in theirs, you are a racist.

or this could be a pointless argument as white-pride might be his way of expressing a love of albino lions.

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:37 am

greenoaks wrote:it is extremely relevant whether or not you would allow a user to create the name black-pride. if you would allow blacks to express pride in their colour while prohibiting whites from expressing pride in theirs, you are a racist.

or this could be a pointless argument as white-pride might be his way of expressing a love of albino lions.

Do I get to decide what names are appropriate for CC? NO! - Then it is irrelevant as to what I think about 'black-pride' - However, because I am offended by 'white - pride' (not the ability of whites to express pride - just the slogan that is used by white supremacists) I present it to those that do decide what is appropriate.

SHow me a user with the name 'black-pride' - and show me a banner/flag/website that is racist and uses the term 'black-pride' - then I will comment. I have personally never seen such a thing (that does not mean it does not exist)- so therefore, to me, when it comes to the arguement of whether 'white-pride' is racist or not - 'black-pride' does not enter into it. 'White-pride" is racist enough, that it does not need to be validated by the use of other colors with the word pride.

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:01 am

THREE QUESTIONS FOR THE CC COMMUNITY -
1. IS THIS NAME A HAPLESS COINCIDENCE?
2. OR IS IT TOO ASSOCIATED WITH THE WHITE SUPREMACY MOVEMENT TO BE CONSIDERED RACIST?
3. DOES CC CARE IF SOMEONE USES A MOTO - TOME OR SLOGAN OF ANY HATE GROUP?

by **greenoaks** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:05 am

MikeFromLux wrote:THREE QUESTIONS FOR THE CC COMMUNITY -
1. IS THIS NAME A HAPLESS COINCIDENCE?
2. OR IS IT TOO ASSOCIATED WITH THE WHITE SUPREMACY MOVEMENT TO BE CONSIDERED RACIST?
3. DOES CC CARE IF SOMEONE USES A MOTO - TOME OR SLOGAN OF ANY HATE GROUP?

i find your lack of pride in being white offensive. [-X

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:05 am

greenoaks wrote:i find your lack of pride in being white offensive. -X

I am proud of my accomplishments - I don't think that I accomplished anything, just because my parents were both white. It was something I had no control of - therefore it is nothing to be proud or ashamed of in my opinion. However - since it is not a part of my username - there is no reason for you to be offended. but I suspect that you are not offended - perhaps embarassed that you lack the ability to pose a serious arguement - and have to resort to bad humor to get your point across - for that you should not be proud.