The Democrat Circus

[Napoleon Ier]

Say anything, doesn't matter what. He will twist it and exagerrate it untill the point is something he can disagree with without having to overthink his precious worldview. Words like "casual" will get a meaning entirely different from it's present meaning in the english-speaking world, while he continues to assert that what the intended meaning is is more important than what the receiving end perceives. If you make a valid point and he sees no way to twist it, he ignores it and claims that because he thinks one part of your post is wrong it makes the entire post wrong.

It's like arguing with a brick wall.

f*ck me...you have quite some interesting brick walls where you come from.

No but seriously...you're only finding yourself able to get away based on some very slippery semantics. Your comment about "going into Asiatown and saying 'gooks'" impliedsome very wrong conceptions about linguistics and McCain's original quote.

What is left of your original contention, really? That McCain used a word which if taken out of context could cause offence to certain members of a minority? Because your first post strongly suggested you thought McCain was one of them nasty evil capitalist racist types you see on the news, and we wouldn't want none of them now would we?

[comic boy]

I dont believe that McCain was intending to make a racist remark though it perhaps reflects poorly on his judgement, not sure the USA needs another president prone to undiplomatic guffs. Whatever happened in the past needs to be forgotten as Asia becomes increasingly pivotal in World affairs, no place for Rambos anymore.

[muy_thaiguy]

I dont believe that McCain was intending to make a racist remark though it perhaps reflects poorly on his judgement, not sure the USA needs another president prone to undiplomatic guffs. Whatever happened in the past needs to be forgotten as Asia becomes increasingly pivotal in World affairs, no place for Rambos anymore.

You have utterly crushed my childhood dream of becoming Rambo of the 21st Century.

[comic boy]

I dont believe that McCain was intending to make a racist remark though it perhaps reflects poorly on his judgement, not sure the USA needs another president prone to undiplomatic guffs. Whatever happened in the past needs to be forgotten as Asia becomes increasingly pivotal in World affairs, no place for Rambos anymore.

You have utterly crushed my childhood dream of becoming Rambo of the 21st Century.

You can still go to Vietnam though, nice beaches

[DangerBoy]

Just to throw my hat into the ring here for real, I don't believe that open primaries are a good thing for either party. There's too much of a temptation for people to jump over to the other side and screw with the another party's nominee. What's fair about that?

[Ar-Adûnakhôr]

democrats.. republicans.. all american, all same-looking, view of outsider, but look all like eachother, not different...

[bradleybadly]

democrats.. republicans.. all american, all same-looking, view of outsider, but look all like eachother, not different...

McCain old.. have band-aid on side of face.. Obama black.. some think have hot wife.. Clinton woman.. have vagina.. husband have big nose.. not same.. different

[Nobunaga]

democrats.. republicans.. all american, all same-looking, view of outsider, but look all like eachother, not different...

McCain old.. have band-aid on side of face.. Obama black.. some think have hot wife.. Clinton woman.. have vagina.. husband have big nose.. not same.. different

[Ar-Adûnakhôr]

same ideas/policies, just too similar after manner... like said, speak as one not of US

[bradleybadly]

same ideas/policies, just too similar after manner... like said, speak as one not of US

I was just teasing. You are not the first person to tell me that. Thanks for posting your thoughts.

You'll find that most people here don't like me but I'm really not that bad once you get to know me.

[InkL0sed]

same ideas/policies, just too similar after manner... like said, speak as one not of US

I was just teasing. You are not the first person to tell me that. Thanks for posting your thoughts.

You'll find that most people here don't like me but I'm really not that bad once you get to know me.

Maybe it's because you bradley badly?

I tend to get annoying with the dastardly puns myself...

[Elijah S]

I considered re-opening my thread asking if Obama is a Racist, but then I took into consideration the average age and I.Q. in CC is approximately 16.

It amazes me that there're so many pseudo-intellects visiting these forums and they're predominantly defending Obama for things they would easily lambast another for if it were reversed.

DaGip... Perhaps a little less time being the wonderful "authority" you'd have everyone think you are would do you some good.
Not everyone is:
A)A Democrat
B)A Liberal
C)An online member of Obama's church.
By the way... did you ever get your Dashiki so you can sing and sway as you watch the illustrious Rev. Wright spew his hatred for whites and America in general?

[Snorri1234]

No but seriously...you're only finding yourself able to get away based on some very slippery semantics. Your comment about "going into Asiatown and saying 'gooks'" impliedsome very wrong conceptions about linguistics and McCain's original quote.

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What the f*ck are you blabbering about? You tried to convince people here that somehow Gook isn't a racist term.

What is left of your original contention, really? That McCain used a word which if taken out of context could cause offence to certain members of a minority?

All members of a certain minority you mean. Or do you seriously believe chinese people aren't offended by the term?

And no, it wasn't my original contention. The fact that you keep on missing the point shows how much of an ignorant shit you really are.

Because your first post strongly suggested you thought McCain was one of them nasty evil capitalist racist types you see on the news, and we wouldn't want none of them now would we?

Yeah....sure.....

I think you seriously lack some reading comprehension there, nappy.

[Napoleon Ier]

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What the f*ck are you blabbering about? You tried to convince people here that somehow Gook isn't a racist term.

A term, as I said, cannot have the same connotations universally.That's pretty clear. And now I've pointed out that rather basic principle of semantics, you're beginning to look increasingly daft.

And no, it wasn't my original contention. The fact that you keep on missing the point shows how much of an ignorant shit you really are.

So what was, snorri? That gook is a racist term? Cos we all know what nasty semantical ruts you can dig yourself into going down that road...

To be honest snorri, this is getting uninteresting. Proving that McCain isn't a racist, that was what my original purpose was, and I think I've done that. So unless you have any meat to add to your posts which thus far consist of rather crude attempts at vilifying me, good day to you.

[DangerBoy]

Democrats throw the 'you're a racist' charge around so much that I think it's starting to lose its power. There's no real reason to take them seriously anymore when they make that charge.

[Neoteny]

Democrats throw the 'you're a racist' charge around so much that I think it's starting to lose its power. There's no real reason to take them seriously anymore when they make that charge.

You are a bigot.

[Napoleon Ier]

Democrats throw the 'you're a racist' charge around so much that I think it's starting to lose its power. There's no real reason to take them seriously anymore when they make that charge.

You are a bigot.

[Snorri1234]

A term, as I said, cannot have the same connotations universally.That's pretty clear. And now I've pointed out that rather basic principle of semantics, you're beginning to look increasingly daft.

I said that if you call any asian person in america a gook they consider it offensive and racist.

The fact is that it doesn't matter whether the term has the same connotations universally, we're talking about the USA in the present time, not vietnam or korea. You can't dismiss current meaning of words by claiming it meant something else a long time ago or in a different place. If you started calling people "fags" in the US you'd be offending them, no matter if you claim you were using the british meaning and actually meant they were cigarrettes.

Gook is at present a racist term, there's no two ways about it. Semantics doesn't help you jack shit out here in the real world. If a word is considered offensive by an ethnic group, then how can it not be racist?

(I'd say it was a racist term for it's entire existence but you'd be all moaning and shit about how it was only used to refer to the enemy in vietnam, which is ofcourse silly as it was used to refer to any south-east asian enemy the usa soldiers encountered.)

So what was, snorri? That gook is a racist term? Cos we all know what nasty semantical ruts you can dig yourself into going down that road...

Holy shit? Have you actually forgotten the rather large portion of my previous posts that asked whether someone who so carelesly offends a large group of the population is fit to run for president? My point was never about whether McCain is a racist, it's just that you think anyone who brings this up is immediately calling McCain a racist.

[Napoleon Ier]

A term, as I said, cannot have the same connotations universally.That's pretty clear. And now I've pointed out that rather basic principle of semantics, you're beginning to look increasingly daft.

I said that if you call any asian person in america a gook they consider it offensive and racist.

The fact is that it doesn't matter whether the term has the same connotations universally, we're talking about the USA in the present time, not vietnam or korea. You can't dismiss current meaning of words by claiming it meant something else a long time ago or in a different place. If you started calling people "fags" in the US you'd be offending them, no matter if you claim you were using the british meaning and actually meant they were cigarrettes.

Gook is at present a racist term, there's no two ways about it. Semantics doesn't help you jack shit out here in the real world. If a word is considered offensive by an ethnic group, then how can it not be racist?

(I'd say it was a racist term for it's entire existence but you'd be all moaning and shit about how it was only used to refer to the enemy in vietnam, which is ofcourse silly as it was used to refer to any south-east asian enemy the usa soldiers encountered.)

So what was, snorri? That gook is a racist term? Cos we all know what nasty semantical ruts you can dig yourself into going down that road...

Holy shit? Have you actually forgotten the rather large portion of my previous posts that asked whether someone who so carelesly offends a large group of the population is fit to run for president? My point was never about whether McCain is a racist, it's just that you think anyone who brings this up is immediately calling McCain a racist.

Frankly, if someone is so utterly retarded nas to not to take the comments in context of reference to south-east Asian ennemies of the United States in the cold war period, they're not exactly a force to be reckoned with in the world of geo-politics.

[Snorri1234]

Frankly, if someone is so utterly retarded nas to not to take the comments in context of reference to south-east Asian ennemies of the United States in the cold war period, they're not exactly a force to be reckoned with in the world of geo-politics.

Not only Cold War, as the term was used before WWII too.

And the problem is more in general. A president should be careful with his words, both in foreign relations and national relations. He should realise that meanings of words change.

[Napoleon Ier]

Frankly, if someone is so utterly retarded nas to not to take the comments in context of reference to south-east Asian ennemies of the United States in the cold war period, they're not exactly a force to be reckoned with in the world of geo-politics.

Not only Cold War, as the term was used before WWII too.

And the problem is more in general. A president should be careful with his words, both in foreign relations and national relations. He should realise that meanings of words change.

I'm not sure it occured to McCain that in asserting his anger at NVA "gooks" would be taken to be some horrible racial slur. Certainly, I've never heard it used other than to refer to VC or NVA. Again, if you're so pathetic as to take it to be racial, you really don't deserve any influence. I mean, how many actual Chinese govt. officials reacted negatively to this as a "racial" term do you think?

[Snorri1234]

I mean, how many actual Chinese govt. officials reacted negatively to this as a "racial" term do you think?

I don't think any of them heard about it. McCain is not president yet.

Certainly, I've never heard it used other than to refer to VC or NVA.

Funny that, maybe it has to do something with you not living in the US.

Again, if you're so pathetic as to take it to be racial, you really don't deserve any influence.

Ah I see, people who are offended by the word "gook" really shouldn't hold any possition in the government or any position with real influence? Like black guys shouldn't be offended by the use of "nigger" if they want to have a position of power?

[Napoleon Ier]

I mean, how many actual Chinese govt. officials reacted negatively to this as a "racial" term do you think?

I don't think any of them heard about it. McCain is not president yet.

Certainly, I've never heard it used other than to refer to VC or NVA.

Funny that, maybe it has to do something with you not living in the US.

Again, if you're so pathetic as to take it to be racial, you really don't deserve any influence.

Ah I see, people who are offended by the word "gook" really shouldn't hold any possition in the government or any position with real influence? Like black guys shouldn't be offended by the use of "nigger" if they want to have a position of power?

Well hang on now. Let's take this to its logical conclusion.

So, we have on the one hand, a term which has evolved seriously racist connotations, say, "nigger". However, "gooks", clearly, when used by McCain and most others for that matter, relates to the South-East asians that fought the US. I mean, OK, let's say someone calls me a "froggie". Can I then say they're "out-of-touch" or "wacist"? I mean, the whole thing is ludicrous. Simply because McCain used a term, which as far as he knew, and as far as he'd always used it as a soldier fighting in Nam, out of habit, automatically, does that make him unfit for President?!

I mean, this is just ridiculous. In fact, it's why I hate you pinko-liberal types. Whilst brave men who fought for their Nation and for Freedom try to present credible policies and in the process maybe use forceful language which suggests a little iron is to be found in their blood, they're "unfit for president"? You really think that McCain using that word, which he probably spoke countless times over coffee in no racist way, makes him a "bad president"? I mean, come on...then you get yourself all worked up when people call you a limp-wristed leftist? It's basically a case of you having no knowledge about the global economy, about geo-politics in the Middle East, and therefore resorting to these low-blows to try and discredit people.

Far more disturbing are your bestest buddy Obama's links to black supremacists...

[DangerBoy]

Democrats throw the 'you're a racist' charge around so much that I think it's starting to lose its power. There's no real reason to take them seriously anymore when they make that charge.

You are a bigot.

............or any other word they like to use against people

[Snorri1234]

So, we have on the one hand, a term which has evolved seriously racist connotations, say, "nigger". However, "gooks", clearly, when used by McCain and most others for that matter, relates to the South-East asians that fought the US. I mean, OK, let's say someone calls me a "froggie". Can I then say they're "out-of-touch" or "wacist"? I mean, the whole thing is ludicrous. Simply because McCain used a term, which as far as he knew, and as far as he'd always used it as a soldier fighting in Nam, out of habit, automatically, does that make him unfit for President?!

Not in itself no. However it does weigh in on the decision.
There is no problem with veterans using the term, but we're talking about the president of the united states.

I mean, this is just ridiculous. In fact, it's why I hate you pinko-liberal types. Whilst brave men who fought for their Nation and for Freedom try to present credible policies and in the process maybe use forceful language which suggests a little iron is to be found in their blood, they're "unfit for president"? You really think that McCain using that word, which he probably spoke countless times over coffee in no racist way, makes him a "bad president"? I mean, come on...then you get yourself all worked up when people call you a limp-wristed leftist? It's basically a case of you having no knowledge about the global economy, about geo-politics in the Middle East, and therefore resorting to these low-blows to try and discredit people.

I am not worked up in the slightest about what he saod, in fact I don't really think this should be a big factor in choosing between candidates. However, I don't think the implications when you think a little futher should be ignored. Your problem is that you can't think futher. You don't look at the big picture of what he could also do.

I think a president who doesn't choose his words carefully has a disadvantage. Granted, if all other candidates were awesome with words but had terrible ideas he'd still be better.

Far more disturbing are your bestest buddy Obama's links to black supremacists...

Oh, but when Ron Paul is linked to white supremacists you just accept it if he says he disagrees with it?