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Limbaugh makes a point?!?

Postby GabonX on Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:50 pm

Now I'm not a fan of Rush by any standard, but when a man is right he's right. I got an email about one of his on show rants that made alot of sense. It reads below:

Love him or loathe him, he nailed this one right on the head..........

By Rush Limbaugh:

I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die s erving our country in Uniform are profound No one is really talking about it either, because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.
If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.

Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)

We also l earned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlemen t politics in this country. It's just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they u sually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing . Make sense?

However, our own US Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being millionaires plus. They do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system. If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm's way receives a pension of $15,000 per month.

I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting .

' When do we finally do something about this?' If th is doesn't seem fair to you, it is time to forward this to as ma ny people as you can.

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Postby khazalid on Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:53 pm

which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..

why join the military?
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Postby Neoteny on Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:54 pm

I've never been one to take Limbaugh statistics to heart, but I've heard similar things elsewhere and it is pretty ridiculous, I agree.
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Postby GabonX on Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:54 pm

khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..

why join the military?
Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.
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Postby khazalid on Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:55 pm

p.s - rush limbaugh is a dick
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Postby GabonX on Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:55 pm

khazalid wrote:p.s - rush limbaugh is a dick
Agreed
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Postby khazalid on Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:58 pm

GabonX wrote:
khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..

why join the military?
Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.


honour and duty are both very meaningful concepts when taken in the right light, but the american military is an ensemble of hired thugs and pimply kids taken straight from no hope old industrial towns from backwatersville and beyond. you do not join the american military because you love the flag.
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Postby Colossus on Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:02 pm

This is just the tip of the iceberg where the atrocious state of veteran's affairs in this country is concerned. The way this country deals with those who lay their lives on the line for it is shameful. The statistics on homelessness among veterans are downright depressing. The last numbers I saw for Philadelphia said that something like 65-75% of the homeless in our city are veterans. I work at the University of Pennsylvania hospital and medical complex. It is right across the street from the Eastern PA Veteran's Hospital. The contrast is absurd. Seeing the two sitting across the street from each other is like looking at a tiny hovel next to Buckingham Palace. The VA is in such horrible disrepair while the Penn hospital complex is in the midst of building three new research buildings. The horrible treatment of American soldiers and sailors is pathetic and it needs to be fixed. This is one of the things that I like about McCain; he's the only candidate talking about it at all. And with the war in Iraq being what it is, this problem is only going to get worse.
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Postby Colossus on Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:02 pm

Khaz. You're from Scotland. WTF do you know about who joins the American military and why?
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Postby Neoteny on Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:05 pm

khazalid wrote:
GabonX wrote:
khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..

why join the military?
Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.


honour and duty are both very meaningful concepts when taken in the right light, but the american military is an ensemble of hired thugs and pimply kids taken straight from no hope old industrial towns from backwatersville and beyond. you do not join the american military because you love the flag.


Bullshit and piss off.
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Postby FiveThreeEight on Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:10 pm

khazalid wrote:
GabonX wrote:
khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..

why join the military?
Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.


honour and duty are both very meaningful concepts when taken in the right light, but the american military is an ensemble of hired thugs and pimply kids taken straight from no hope old industrial towns from backwatersville and beyond. you do not join the american military because you love the flag.


That's a generalization. While many of the members of today's American military are what you said, I know plenty who joined for honor and duty. My friend Heath, after graduating college with a degree in English, joined the US Army. He didn't join because he had no future, or because he was from the middle of nowhere; he joined because he felt it was the right thing to do. Whether or not anyone agrees, he felt right in his decision. He's since back, and teaching English in a well-established American community.
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Postby SolidLuigi on Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:23 pm

khazalid wrote:
GabonX wrote:
khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..

why join the military?
Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.


honour and duty are both very meaningful concepts when taken in the right light, but the american military is an ensemble of hired thugs and pimply kids taken straight from no hope old industrial towns from backwatersville and beyond. you do not join the american military because you love the flag.


totally wrong. I have a friend in Iraq right now who doesn't fall under any of those definitions, he's in it for the good of the country.

Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.
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Re: Limbaugh makes a point?!?

Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:29 pm

GabonX wrote:Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)


Uhm...how would that speak in favor of more money for the soldiers?
I mean, not to say they don't deserve more money, but the whole deal with soldiers is that they voluntary put themselves in harms way and know the risks. If you join the military it is far more expected of you to die than if you just go to the office, so in a way the loss is easilier dealt with.

I agree with the rest, but this just struck me as faulty reasoning.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:34 pm

SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.


Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?
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Postby Neoteny on Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:44 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.


Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?


Long story...
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Postby heavycola on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:05 pm

Khaz did have a point though... honour? what does that even mean? The west's armies do not defend its borders any longer, they serve political and economic agendas. NOT to denigrate the good work we are told has been done in afghanistan and maybe even iraq, in bits, and certainly not to denigrate the courage of the men and women serving today. It might be about honour for them, but are they really any more than politicians' cannon fodder? But then political mchines have always been good salespeople...

Although I have to say - if that was Rush, and if the stats are correct, then hell may well have frozen over...
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Postby GabonX on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:05 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.


Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?
Kerry was a Lieutenant in the Navy. He was an officer in charge of 5 man crews called Swift Boat units. These units would patrol the river systems where the larger warships stationed in the Pacific Ocean could not reach.

He is credited with being injured several times (once possibly from a grenade he fired himself) and for leaving his boat, chasing down and killing a man armed with a loaded rocket launcher.
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Postby GabonX on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:27 pm

heavycola wrote:Khaz did have a point though... honour? what does that even mean? The west's armies do not defend its borders any longer, they serve political and economic agendas. NOT to denigrate the good work we are told has been done in afghanistan and maybe even iraq, in bits, and certainly not to denigrate the courage of the men and women serving today. It might be about honour for them, but are they really any more than politicians' cannon fodder? But then political mchines have always been good salespeople...

Although I have to say - if that was Rush, and if the stats are correct, then hell may well have frozen over...

It sounds to me like you see military service as more honorable than political service. If the courage of the men and women serving today amounts to being cannon fodder for politicians than those who serve knowing this than MUST be more honorable than politicians who use them to profit.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Rush said these things. If you think about it, it's pretty typical of him. His main point is that the family members of the people killed on 9/11 are being given a ridiculous amount of money. He supports this by pointing out the disparity between what the family members of people killed on 9/11 are getting and how much family members of the military are getting. He then points out that the families of the Oklahoma City bombing are now asking for money too.

It boils down to Rush not wanting to pay taxes. Despite his true motivation for saying these things he makes some good points about this particular issue.
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Postby FiveThreeEight on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:30 pm

heavycola wrote:Khaz did have a point though... honour? what does that even mean? The west's armies do not defend its borders any longer, they serve political and economic agendas. NOT to denigrate the good work we are told has been done in afghanistan and maybe even iraq, in bits, and certainly not to denigrate the courage of the men and women serving today. It might be about honour for them, but are they really any more than politicians' cannon fodder? But then political mchines have always been good salespeople...

Although I have to say - if that was Rush, and if the stats are correct, then hell may well have frozen over...


You are completely right. That's why I don't necessarily support what politicians are about. I am all about supporting the people who sacrifice themselves, though.
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Re: Limbaugh makes a point?!?

Postby GabonX on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:31 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
GabonX wrote:Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)


Uhm...how would that speak in favor of more money for the soldiers?
I mean, not to say they don't deserve more money, but the whole deal with soldiers is that they voluntary put themselves in harms way and know the risks. If you join the military it is far more expected of you to die than if you just go to the office, so in a way the loss is easilier dealt with.

I agree with the rest, but this just struck me as faulty reasoning.
I agree with you. It would be nice to pay those who serve more but they nobody in the military today has been drafted. They entered and accepted the terms, including payment and risk, of their own free will. In my opinion their willingness to earn less money than they might elsewhere and the accpetance of personal risk is part of what makes them honorable.
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Postby spurgistan on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:32 pm

Neoteny wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.


Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?


Long story...


Well, he screwed up the punchline to a joke.

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don’t - you get stuck in Iraq.”

While I won't deny the man's not a shining example of U.S. Senators (or maybe, he is) it's pretty clear that he's making a joke about the President, not our Americans in uniform ,which he once was. But in the same way Gore invented the Internet and discovered Love Canal, some people seem to have figured out that if you take something out of context and repeat it enough, it becomes true. Truthiness incarnate.
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Re: Limbaugh makes a point?!?

Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:34 pm

GabonX wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
GabonX wrote:Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)


Uhm...how would that speak in favor of more money for the soldiers?
I mean, not to say they don't deserve more money, but the whole deal with soldiers is that they voluntary put themselves in harms way and know the risks. If you join the military it is far more expected of you to die than if you just go to the office, so in a way the loss is easilier dealt with.

I agree with the rest, but this just struck me as faulty reasoning.
I agree with you. It would be nice to pay those who serve more but they nobody in the military today has been drafted. They entered and accepted the terms, including payment and risk, of their own free will. In my opinion their willingness to earn less money than they might elsewhere and the accpetance of personal risk is part of what makes them honorable.


Word.


Though there is a thin line between honor and stupidity. Especially when invading foreign nations is concerned.
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Postby GabonX on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:38 pm

spurgistan wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.


Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?


Long story...


Well, he screwed up the punchline to a joke.

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don’t - you get stuck in Iraq.”

While I won't deny the man's not a shining example of U.S. Senators (or maybe, he is) it's pretty clear that he's making a joke about the President, not our Americans in uniform ,which he once was. But in the same way Gore invented the Internet and discovered Love Canal, some people seem to have figured out that if you take something out of context and repeat it enough, it becomes true. Truthiness incarnate.
The problem with this comment is that it shows a lack of respect that Kerry has for not only the military, but also for those who didn't recieve a traditional education. The comment was stuck up and uncalled for. Kerry illustrated some charecteristics of himself that I personally had not seen before when he said this.

Also, they say it was the Clintons who made such a big deal about this comment. Shortley after he said these things he was forced to concede the election leaving one less oponent for Hillary. Interesting that Kerry now backs Obama...
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Re: Limbaugh makes a point?!?

Postby GabonX on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:41 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
GabonX wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
GabonX wrote:Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)


Uhm...how would that speak in favor of more money for the soldiers?
I mean, not to say they don't deserve more money, but the whole deal with soldiers is that they voluntary put themselves in harms way and know the risks. If you join the military it is far more expected of you to die than if you just go to the office, so in a way the loss is easilier dealt with.

I agree with the rest, but this just struck me as faulty reasoning.
I agree with you. It would be nice to pay those who serve more but they nobody in the military today has been drafted. They entered and accepted the terms, including payment and risk, of their own free will. In my opinion their willingness to earn less money than they might elsewhere and the accpetance of personal risk is part of what makes them honorable.


Word.


Though there is a thin line between honor and stupidity. Especially when invading foreign nations is concerned.
Everyone has their own reasons for joining...

Who ever said that you a person couldn't be both honorable and stupid. If you define "smart" as doing things for your own personal benifite than the military is just bunch of dumb but honorable people.

Personaly that isn't how I define intelligence...
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Postby spurgistan on Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:46 pm

GabonX wrote:
spurgistan wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.


Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?


Long story...


Well, he screwed up the punchline to a joke.

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don’t - you get stuck in Iraq.”

While I won't deny the man's not a shining example of U.S. Senators (or maybe, he is) it's pretty clear that he's making a joke about the President, not our Americans in uniform ,which he once was. But in the same way Gore invented the Internet and discovered Love Canal, some people seem to have figured out that if you take something out of context and repeat it enough, it becomes true. Truthiness incarnate.
The problem with this comment is that it shows a lack of respect that Kerry has for not only the military, but also for those who didn't recieve a traditional education. The comment was stuck up and uncalled for. Kerry illustrated some charecteristics of himself that I personally had not seen before when he said this.

Also, they say it was the Clintons who made such a big deal about this comment. Shortley after he said these things he was forced to concede the election leaving one less oponent for Hillary. Interesting that Kerry now backs Obama...


It was supposed to be a joke about the President. He forgot an "us" in between "get" and "stuck". "Get us stuck in Iraq" is different than "Get stuck in Iraq", no? John Kerry would know that C students are NOT the only people who sign up for the army.
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