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Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..
why join the military?
GabonX wrote:Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..
why join the military?
khazalid wrote:GabonX wrote:Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..
why join the military?
honour and duty are both very meaningful concepts when taken in the right light, but the american military is an ensemble of hired thugs and pimply kids taken straight from no hope old industrial towns from backwatersville and beyond. you do not join the american military because you love the flag.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
khazalid wrote:GabonX wrote:Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..
why join the military?
honour and duty are both very meaningful concepts when taken in the right light, but the american military is an ensemble of hired thugs and pimply kids taken straight from no hope old industrial towns from backwatersville and beyond. you do not join the american military because you love the flag.
khazalid wrote:GabonX wrote:Thats spam in this thread. If concepts like honor and duty mean nothing to you than make your own.khazalid wrote:which raises a pretty important question of its own accord i think..
why join the military?
honour and duty are both very meaningful concepts when taken in the right light, but the american military is an ensemble of hired thugs and pimply kids taken straight from no hope old industrial towns from backwatersville and beyond. you do not join the american military because you love the flag.
GabonX wrote:Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)
SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.
Snorri1234 wrote:SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.
Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Kerry was a Lieutenant in the Navy. He was an officer in charge of 5 man crews called Swift Boat units. These units would patrol the river systems where the larger warships stationed in the Pacific Ocean could not reach.Snorri1234 wrote:SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.
Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?
heavycola wrote:Khaz did have a point though... honour? what does that even mean? The west's armies do not defend its borders any longer, they serve political and economic agendas. NOT to denigrate the good work we are told has been done in afghanistan and maybe even iraq, in bits, and certainly not to denigrate the courage of the men and women serving today. It might be about honour for them, but are they really any more than politicians' cannon fodder? But then political mchines have always been good salespeople...
Although I have to say - if that was Rush, and if the stats are correct, then hell may well have frozen over...
heavycola wrote:Khaz did have a point though... honour? what does that even mean? The west's armies do not defend its borders any longer, they serve political and economic agendas. NOT to denigrate the good work we are told has been done in afghanistan and maybe even iraq, in bits, and certainly not to denigrate the courage of the men and women serving today. It might be about honour for them, but are they really any more than politicians' cannon fodder? But then political mchines have always been good salespeople...
Although I have to say - if that was Rush, and if the stats are correct, then hell may well have frozen over...
I agree with you. It would be nice to pay those who serve more but they nobody in the military today has been drafted. They entered and accepted the terms, including payment and risk, of their own free will. In my opinion their willingness to earn less money than they might elsewhere and the accpetance of personal risk is part of what makes them honorable.Snorri1234 wrote:GabonX wrote:Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)
Uhm...how would that speak in favor of more money for the soldiers?
I mean, not to say they don't deserve more money, but the whole deal with soldiers is that they voluntary put themselves in harms way and know the risks. If you join the military it is far more expected of you to die than if you just go to the office, so in a way the loss is easilier dealt with.
I agree with the rest, but this just struck me as faulty reasoning.
Neoteny wrote:Snorri1234 wrote:SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.
Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?
Long story...
GabonX wrote:I agree with you. It would be nice to pay those who serve more but they nobody in the military today has been drafted. They entered and accepted the terms, including payment and risk, of their own free will. In my opinion their willingness to earn less money than they might elsewhere and the accpetance of personal risk is part of what makes them honorable.Snorri1234 wrote:GabonX wrote:Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)
Uhm...how would that speak in favor of more money for the soldiers?
I mean, not to say they don't deserve more money, but the whole deal with soldiers is that they voluntary put themselves in harms way and know the risks. If you join the military it is far more expected of you to die than if you just go to the office, so in a way the loss is easilier dealt with.
I agree with the rest, but this just struck me as faulty reasoning.
The problem with this comment is that it shows a lack of respect that Kerry has for not only the military, but also for those who didn't recieve a traditional education. The comment was stuck up and uncalled for. Kerry illustrated some charecteristics of himself that I personally had not seen before when he said this.spurgistan wrote:Neoteny wrote:Snorri1234 wrote:SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.
Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?
Long story...
Well, he screwed up the punchline to a joke.
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don’t - you get stuck in Iraq.”
While I won't deny the man's not a shining example of U.S. Senators (or maybe, he is) it's pretty clear that he's making a joke about the President, not our Americans in uniform ,which he once was. But in the same way Gore invented the Internet and discovered Love Canal, some people seem to have figured out that if you take something out of context and repeat it enough, it becomes true. Truthiness incarnate.
Everyone has their own reasons for joining...Snorri1234 wrote:GabonX wrote:I agree with you. It would be nice to pay those who serve more but they nobody in the military today has been drafted. They entered and accepted the terms, including payment and risk, of their own free will. In my opinion their willingness to earn less money than they might elsewhere and the accpetance of personal risk is part of what makes them honorable.Snorri1234 wrote:GabonX wrote:Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are compla ining that it's not enough . Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)
Uhm...how would that speak in favor of more money for the soldiers?
I mean, not to say they don't deserve more money, but the whole deal with soldiers is that they voluntary put themselves in harms way and know the risks. If you join the military it is far more expected of you to die than if you just go to the office, so in a way the loss is easilier dealt with.
I agree with the rest, but this just struck me as faulty reasoning.
Word.
Though there is a thin line between honor and stupidity. Especially when invading foreign nations is concerned.
GabonX wrote:The problem with this comment is that it shows a lack of respect that Kerry has for not only the military, but also for those who didn't recieve a traditional education. The comment was stuck up and uncalled for. Kerry illustrated some charecteristics of himself that I personally had not seen before when he said this.spurgistan wrote:Neoteny wrote:Snorri1234 wrote:SolidLuigi wrote:Someone else said something similar, oh yeah JOHN KERRY said something about only the dumb and poor go to the army and fight wars. The Army produced figures on how many members have degrees and come from well to do families that showed he was totally wrong. He got a lot of flack for it, and so should you.
Huh. Why would John Kerry say that? Wasn't he in the army?
Long story...
Well, he screwed up the punchline to a joke.
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don’t - you get stuck in Iraq.”
While I won't deny the man's not a shining example of U.S. Senators (or maybe, he is) it's pretty clear that he's making a joke about the President, not our Americans in uniform ,which he once was. But in the same way Gore invented the Internet and discovered Love Canal, some people seem to have figured out that if you take something out of context and repeat it enough, it becomes true. Truthiness incarnate.
Also, they say it was the Clintons who made such a big deal about this comment. Shortley after he said these things he was forced to concede the election leaving one less oponent for Hillary. Interesting that Kerry now backs Obama...
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