Non Vanilla newbie game - Night Three - No lynch

[ga7]

About to reread but please this time no hammer without a chance to defend/claim.

[Koesen]

Vote Count

Jecko: 1 (Tripitaka)
ga7: 1 (Mandyb)
Tripitaka: 4 (Militant, Lord Voldemort, Jecko, Inkl0sed)

8 alive, 5 to lynch. Deadline Monday night 8 PM EST (GMT-5).

[kalishnikov]

About to reread but please this time no hammer without a chance to defend/claim.

Yea definitly. At least let her claim before the hammer gets dropped. If someone hammers before she can defend I'll do my best to get you lynched tomorrow unless you have a DAMN good reason.

[Tripitaka]

You guys are just priceless. I vote for Jecko after having not one FOS or vote on me other than Frenchie's vote on Day one, which I'm assuming was a totally random thing, on account the lazy skimmer didn't even vote in blue correctly, and you say I am trying divert attention away from myself! What attention exactly? The only attention I have on me now is as a result of voting for Jecko. If I was really scum, do you think I would risk singling myself out like that, when at this point in the game scum can afford a "no lynch". I'd just sit back and keep quiet, unless that is one of my scum buddies was looking like they were in trouble, then I might be persuaded to get all my other scum buddies to suddenly turn around and start pointing the finger at the person who voted for them. How coincidental is it that all four of you that have voted for me were on the Darth lynch and all but Lovo on the Neo lynch too? And Ink, if you were really town and there was, as has been discussed previously, possibly 4 mafia guys left, would you really have put another vote on me, knowing that the remaining scum could then just hammer without me claiming, or sharing any information that I might have?. Of course you wouldn't, not unless you are monumentally stupid that is.

So the rest of you want to know who the real scum are - then look no futher than the people who have voted for me - I would bet money on at least three of them being mafia.

[jecko7]

You guys are just priceless. I vote for Jecko after having not one FOS or vote on me other than Frenchie's vote on Day one, which I'm assuming was a totally random thing, on account the lazy skimmer didn't even vote in blue correctly, and you say I am trying divert attention away from myself! What attention exactly? The only attention I have on me now is as a result of voting for Jecko. If I was really scum, do you think I would risk singling myself out like that, when at this point in the game scum can afford a "no lynch". I'd just sit back and keep quiet, unless that is one of my scum buddies was looking like they were in trouble, then I might be persuaded to get all my other scum buddies to suddenly turn around and start pointing the finger at the person who voted for them. How coincidental is it that all four of you that have voted for me were on the Darth lynch and all but Lovo on the Neo lynch too? And Ink, if you were really town and there was, as has been discussed previously, possibly 4 mafia guys left, would you really have put another vote on me, knowing that the remaining scum could then just hammer without me claiming, or sharing any information that I might have?. Of course you wouldn't, not unless you are monumentally stupid that is.

So the rest of you want to know who the real scum are - then look no futher than the people who have voted for me - I would bet money on at least three of them being mafia.

First off - you claim that the people who voted for you are scum, then you say that scum would keep quiet because they can afford a no lynch.

Secondly - we've already cleared this up - there are less than 4 scum. there's 8 people left, 5 to lynch, if there's 4 scum that leaves 4 townies, ending the game.

Lastly, and most importantly - where's the roleclaim? This whole post is you becoming upset and insulting the people who voted for you, nothing about why we shouldn't lynch you. Rather than insulting the people who want a lynch today, perhaps you should give us a reason not to lynch you...

[Koesen]

Approximately 23 hours until the deadline.

[kalishnikov]

Hmm, either trip is a very good scum player or she's town. Honestly I think she played that off quite well, if she would have included a believable roleclaim I'd go as far to say it was an excellent defense. I think it's far more likely that the scum are the less active players right now, it would be way easier to submarine this out then play the 'active townie' if you were scum.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, unvote, vote: militant on a hunch.

I'd rather see a no lynch today then a townie lynch and usually I'm the first to actively push a lynch everyday but right now we need caution; a wrong lynch + a night kill = possible endgame depending on the number of scum.

[ga7]

Done rereading, seems to me one relevant thing to start with is the lynch wagons:

Neoteny: 8 (Inkl0sed, jecko7, darth emperor, Kalishnikov, Militant, William18, ga7, Tripitaka)
Darth Emperor: 6 (Militant, Lord Voldemort, Jecko7, Inkl0sed, Suggs, William18)

From there, looking at people present on both FOS Militant for starting the Darth wagon. Granted, it was random and he was inactive, but to hit the doc like that is pretty unlucky (and lucky for scum). Or is it more than luck? I really wonder at this point if the scum have power roles too... Then there's Jecko, who I really felt scummy in his behavior at several points through rereading, and seems pretty opportunistic in his "we want a lynch" line. Even for a noob, bandwagonning and pushing that way is fishy. Lastly there's Inklosed, who didn't seem to do much besides being on both wagons.

At least 3 of these people are scum, I'm guessing an even 4 though knowing Koesen.

I'm really wondering about this post. So far, in all honesty and much to my disappointment, this is the only really scummy thing I got on you Kalish
Nah seriously, the SK just got killed and we were 14 players total. The 2 kills by night lead to think there's only one other killing faction (therefore no other SK). That'd imply either scum already won (4 members) or we being in LYLO (3 members). Of course we need to be extra careful today as with no mafia killed so far they have the upper hand in any case, but isn't it a bit early for LYLO in such a game? Unless you're doing your usual cocky scum act and know for a fact there's that many scum left...
Ok I lied, there's something else I got

The SK kill was freaking amazing, thanks vig. (had to be the vig, clearly the scum took out will the tracker)

How do you come to this conclusion? The scene doesn't seem to give out hints in any directions for that. Grah, I know this is totally metagaming but this is bugging me. I know you did answer partially to both those things but I want to make it more consistent with a FOS

Anyway, to the main dish. Trip's defense seems pretty unconvincing and overblown. Not in a good way à la LSU, more like the way a scum acts when suddenly getting heat for their behavior.

I think either Jecko or Tripitaka are scum.

I agree with this. Except if I'm totally misleaded as happens sometimes and you Inklosed is scum at least
Can't expand much more for now, as I'd like to hear a claim from Trip first.

Ahh, it feels nice to play mafia again

[InkL0sed]

Well, I mostly agree with you, ga7. And in retrospect I guess my bandwagon-ing and my lack of participation does seem a tad scummy; I guess my only excuse is that I am a noob.

I assure you, and everyone else, however, that I am a townie. I think I might as well roleclaim, since I have nothing to lose.

Here goes... I am a bulletproof townie. I'm not sure if that makes me immune to lynchings, but it does make me immune to pretty much everything else. I can also pass my ability on to others for a night if I wish. Now that I've revealed that side of my ability, I'll have to think long and hard about doing that from now on, though.

So there you go, I hope you're convinced.

[Tripitaka]

First off - you claim that the people who voted for you are scum, then you say that scum would keep quiet because they can afford a no lynch.

Actually that's not what I said. I said if I were scum, rather than draw attention to myself by being the first to vote someone at a crucial point of the game, when previously no one had disclosed any suspicions they might have about me, I would keep quiet, because at the moment a no lynch would suit the mafia just fine, obviously not quite so good as getting another townie lynched, but still better than having people start voting for a fellow goon.

Secondly - we've already cleared this up - there are less than 4 scum. there's 8 people left, 5 to lynch, if there's 4 scum that leaves 4 townies, ending the game.

I'm sorry Jecko, I haven't played as much mafia as you, in fact this is only the second game I joined, so I'm not quite as up on the ins and outs and was under the impression that mafia won only if they outnumbered town, which I see now is not the case.

Lastly, and most importantly - where's the roleclaim? This whole post is you becoming upset and insulting the people who voted for you, nothing about why we shouldn't lynch you. Rather than insulting the people who want a lynch today, perhaps you should give us a reason not to lynch you...

Where did I insult the people who voted for me? I jokingly called Frenchie a skimmer and said that if Ink was town then it would be foolish of him to be the fourth person to vote, when there could be a possible scum left to hammer without a claim (or an over zealous townie for that matter) Hardly flame wars stuff. The reason I gave (or was trying to give) for not voting to lynch me, was that there really was no strong argument as to why I would be scum. All four of you just repeated one another saying the same thing, about me trying to divert attention away from myself. But there was no attention on me before I cast that vote, so I don't see what your argument is, and the fact that you all suddenly jumped into life after being suspiciously quiet just seemed even more dubious.

Naturally I was hoping to avoid a lynch without having to role claim because I don't want to give any more information to the scum than I have to, especially as my role may implicate other town members. but if that is what it takes then obviously I have no choice.

I'm Jack of All Trades. I have several abilities I can use once and once only. I tracked Ga7 to Jecko's night 1 and night 2 I tried to Vig kill Jecko but it didn't go through - so that can mean only one of three things as far as I am aware:
1. He's the Godfather and immune to night kills
2. He was Doc protected or
3.I was roleblocked

Of course none of this proves that Jecko is scum, that is just my own personal opinion, based on his posts so far.

[InkL0sed]

Well, you've convinced me, Trip.

I'll probably be voting for jecko later, but for now I'll just unvote

[lord voldemort]

unvote
interesting things have happened...we have a day....
we can prolly assume if we dont get todays lynch right then we might be screwed. ima guess prolly 3 scum
8 alive...means scum have to screw up in there kill.
at the risk of sounding scummy...perhaps a no lynch??
gives us 8 alive. and maybe a whole new day to find a scum?

[kalishnikov]

At least 3 of these people are scum, I'm guessing an even 4 though knowing Koesen.

I'm really wondering about this post. So far, in all honesty and much to my disappointment, this is the only really scummy thing I got on you Kalish
Nah seriously, the SK just got killed and we were 14 players total. The 2 kills by night lead to think there's only one other killing faction (therefore no other SK). That'd imply either scum already won (4 members) or we being in LYLO (3 members). Of course we need to be extra careful today as with no mafia killed so far they have the upper hand in any case, but isn't it a bit early for LYLO in such a game? Unless you're doing your usual cocky scum act and know for a fact there's that many scum left...
Ok I lied, there's something else I got

The SK kill was freaking amazing, thanks vig. (had to be the vig, clearly the scum took out will the tracker)

How do you come to this conclusion? The scene doesn't seem to give out hints in any directions for that. Grah, I know this is totally metagaming but this is bugging me. I know you did answer partially to both those things but I want to make it more consistent with a FOS

Ahh, it feels nice to play mafia again

My opinion of an even 4 scum was based more from consumption of Johnny Walker then from actual logic, to be honest when I made that post I wasn't in my most clear-thinking state.

What else? Oh yea, I just figured the scum hit the tracker last night as he claimed right before we went to night (I think) leaving the vig to NK the SK. Also, Koesen has been cheating and sending me all the night action results. (I'm joking @ everyone else)

It's good to see you back playing mafia, I've become far to lazy lately so someone needs to know what they are doing.

[kalishnikov]

unvote
interesting things have happened...we have a day....
we can prolly assume if we dont get todays lynch right then we might be screwed. ima guess prolly 3 scum
8 alive...means scum have to screw up in there kill.
at the risk of sounding scummy...perhaps a no lynch??
gives us 8 alive. and maybe a whole new day to find a scum?

Yea that's kinda what I was thinking too. I honestly think we should either no lynch or lynch militant, I've got a scum vibe from him but I don't think that we've got enough time to get a lynch in regardless.

I have ZERO proof on militant, but I'd be willing to bet on him being scum.

[ga7]

William did? Damn, I'm pretty sure I didn't see anything like that when I reread but I can't bother to check back now
I'm not sure how much time we got left, but for now Trip doesn't lie about her moves. Granted, she could have just tried to kill Jecko as scum but it doesn't sound too likely. I'm starting to think Jecko & Militant are scum...

[Tripitaka]

What else? Oh yea, I just figured the scum hit the tracker last night as he claimed right before we went to night (I think) leaving the vig to NK the SK.

William definitely did not claim, not unless you can find a secret message in his final post:

Dammit. This game is getting unlucky. But if my calculations of probability are correct, that means that if all we killed were town then that means there's still a lot more.

We have until 20.00 EST (Midnight GMT) Until the deadline.

A no lynch is obviously better than another slip up, but if the Vig fails to kill scum tonight (whether blocked or night killed), then that leaves us going into Day 4 with very little extra information, and even closer to a scum victory. So if we can all agree on someone that seems particularly scummy in the next few hours then all the better (though that possibility seems rather remote now, especially as some people seem too busy posting in other threads to pop in here and actually play the game!).

Anyway, I may be willing to change my vote to Militant. But I would like to know if anyone else thinks they might have been blocked last night. If that is the case then it narrows down the possible reasons as to why my kill on Jecko didn't succeed and in either scenario, would make him scum, as I doubt Town has another Doc.

And Kal, your vote needs to be in blue

[InkL0sed]

Yes, I agree that militant seems scummy. I also am pretty sure that one, and probably both ga7 and kalishnikov are town, so I'm gonna trust their instincts.

Thus: vote militant


As far as I know, I haven't been role-blocked, but that doesn't mean so much for me, now does it.

[jecko7]

I'm a little tired (not hungover), but I seea few things here I want to say.

@ Tripitka - This is my first mafia game on this site, but I've played elsewhere and it seems common sense that if the number of town adn mafia are equal, and there's a majority needed to lynch, that the town has no hope of winning if they are only 50% of the remaining people.

Also - like you, I don't want to claim and get killed, so I offer no explanation as of now as to why you couldn't kille me.

Finally vote militant.

Peace...

[Koesen]

Night Three

After two wrong lynches and general confusion about what happened exactly at night, the decision was reached not to lynch anyone at all, in the hope that something good would happen.

Will it?

Join us tomorrow!

48 hours for your night actions.

[Koesen]

FYI: I still need four actions.

Also, I may be away for a few days. I'll try to keep this thing going, but I can't garantuee I'll be here when the last action comes in. Your best bet would be to send me your actions in the next few hours, if possible.

[Koesen]

As mentioned in another thread, I have to leave the site, effective immediately. I am sorry this ruins your game. I think under the circumstances, a scum victory was most likely.

These are the roles and actions:

01. Jecko7
You are the Godfather. You lead the mafia and decide who you wish to kill at night. You may of course consult your scum buddies XX and YY, but the final decision is yours. You will inform me of your choice during the night phase by PM. No PM means no kill, even if your underlings send in their choice. The great thing about being a Godfather is that you can’t be killed at night and if a sane cop investigates you, he’ll get a town result.
You may talk with your scum buddies at night (not during the day), by PM. No need to send the PMs to me.
In addition to your other abilities, you get two cop investigations, allowing you to discover the role of the person you investigate.
You win when there is no way for town to stop you anymore. Usually, but not always, that will be when 50% of the surviving players belong to your faction.
N1: Kill Timmytuttut
N2: Kill Suggs
N3: kill kalish

02. Ga7
You are the mafia watcher. If you watch person X at night, you will see who he is visited by, though I won’t tell you what they were doing. That’s for you to deduct. You may talk with your scum buddies at night (not during the day), by PM, and share the information you gathered with them. No need to send the PMs to me.
You win when there is no way for town to stop you anymore. Usually, but not always, that will be when 50% of the surviving players belong to your faction.
N1
N2 Watch Jecko
N3: watch trip

03. Lord Voldemort
You are the mafia bomb. If you are lynched, the last person voting for you dies with you. You may also target someone during the day and suicide on them, in which case both of you will die. You can’t do this during the night, and if you are targeted for a nightkill, your bomb ability will not be activated. You may talk with your scum buddies at night (not during the day), by PM. No need to send the PMs to me.
You win when there is no way for town to stop you anymore. Usually, but not always, that will be when 50% of the surviving players belong to your faction.


04. Suggs
You are the Serial Killer. A tough role, but fun. Your goal in life is simple: kill everyone else and be the last man standing. You may kill one person at night, by sending me a pm with their name.
N1: Kill Snowpepsi
N2: kill LOVO

05. Neoteny
You are the bus driver. At night, you may target two people (send their names to me in a PM) and for the duration of that night, they will unknowingly trade places. What would have happened to target A, will happen to target B instead. This may have complicated consequences, so pick your targets with care.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.

06. Snowpepsi sane Cop
You are the cop. Every night, you may investigate one person (send their name to me in a PM) and I will tell you whether they are town or scum. This is an important role, so I recommend you don’t get yourself killed too soon.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N1: Investigate LoVo

07. Timmytuttut18 insane Cop
You are the cop. Every night, you may investigate one person (send their name to me in a PM) and I will tell you whether they are town or scum. This is an important role, so I recommend you don’t get yourself killed too soon.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N1: Investigate Jecko

08. Darth emperor
You are the doctor. Every night, you may protect one person (send their name to me in a PM). If he’s targeted for a nightkill, that kill will fail. This is an important role, so I recommend you don’t get yourself killed too soon.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N1: niks?

09. Kalishnikov
You are the roleblocker. Every night, you may target one person (send his name to me in a PM), whose night action will fail.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N1 – no action
N2: Suggs
N3: Inkl0sed

10. Militant
You are an elite bodyguard. Each night, you may protect one person (send his name to me in a PM). If this person is targeted for a nightkill, you will die in his place, but you’ll take the killer down with you. You may not survive, but you’ll be fondly remembered.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N1: Protect Kalish
N2: niets?
N3: protect ga7

11. Mandyb
You are the vigilante. You may kill one person per night (send his name to me in a PM). Your goal is to kill scum and keep townies alive, so pick your targets with care. You don’t have to send in a kill if you are not sure.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N1: niets
N2: kill william

12. William18
You are the tracker. Each night, you may target one person (send his name in a PM to me), and you will see who he visits, though I won’t tell you what he does there. That’s for you to deduct.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N1: track militant
N2: track jecko

13. Tripitaka
You are the Jack Of All Trades. You have the following one shot abilities:
1. Cop. (investigate a person to see if he’s town or scum)
2. Doc. (protect a person against a nightkill)
3. Vig. (kill someone, hopefully scum)
4. Tracker. (follow someone to see who he visits)
5. Roleblocker (prevent someone from carrying out his night action)
6. Watcher. (watch someone to see who he is visited by)
Track ga7

You may use each ability only once and then it’s gone forever.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N2: Vig kill jecko
N3: watch mandyb

14. Inkl0sed.
You are a bulletproof townie. That means you can’t be killed at night. Since passive abilities are kind of boring, I’m going to allow you to transfer your ability to someone else during the night. Send his name in a PM to me, and he will become bulletproof for the duration of the night.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
N1 –
N2 LoVo
N3: protect ga7

***

Quick comments:

Town was very unlucky. Really very unlucky. Several beneficial actions were cancelled by other people's actions and mafia slipped through the noose several times. A few mistaked were made, but not that many. Well played, guys and girls, and thanks for the experience.

[william18]

I knew jecko was scummy.

[lord voldemort]

damm my pm was too late
we were killing kalish tonite...then i was claiming tracker to get militant
we would of won

[Koesen]

I think you would

[Tripitaka]

I knew I would pick the wrong one to watch last night. It was a toss up between Mandy and Kalish - I had a feeling Mandy was the Vig but thought they might target Kal anyway thinking he was it, or just because of his experience, but at the last minute I went with Mandy.

I had Jecko pegged as the GF and Lovo as scum (would never have guessed bomb though) and couldn't make my up between Frenchie and Militant.

Anyway good game Koesen. Thanks for all your time and effort. It was much appreciated.