hiel hitler

[DAZMCFC]

Hitler was actually pretty smart with his battle plans and whatnot.

What? Since when? It was ALL his Generals. HE was the one who wanted the second front with Russia. Against all the advice of his Generals, he decided to attack Russia anyway because they're commies, and couldn't have been done after the Germans crushed the Americans on the western front. If the German army wasn't so pre-occupied, and otherwise crushed due to Russian winters, Germany could have easily won the Second World War.

That's all I have to say on the matter. That and you're a filthy, lying PIG if you agree with Hitler's views.

That was really the strangest part of WWII for me. Who the hell WANTS a second front?!

someone who is 2 faced.

hello Mandy how you doing.


Jake i think Arsenal cocked up at Birmingham. Newcastle are piss poor.
going to the pub soon to watch Spurs v Chelsea.

[DaGip]

anyone in this website agree with hitlers veiws

No.

And you spelled "Heil" wrong. Unless you wanted to say "Heel Hitler!" Then it is okay!

[mandalorian2298]

Hitler was actually pretty smart with his battle plans and whatnot.

What? Since when? It was ALL his Generals. HE was the one who wanted the second front with Russia. Against all the advice of his Generals, he decided to attack Russia anyway because they're commies, and couldn't have been done after the Germans crushed the Americans on the western front. If the German army wasn't so pre-occupied, and otherwise crushed due to Russian winters, Germany could have easily won the Second World War.

That's all I have to say on the matter. That and you're a filthy, lying PIG if you agree with Hitler's views.

That was really the strangest part of WWII for me. Who the hell WANTS a second front?!

someone who is 2 faced.

hello Mandy how you doing.


Jake i think Arsenal cocked up at Birmingham. Newcastle are piss poor.
going to the pub soon to watch Spurs v Chelsea.

Hi DAZMCFC. How are the Spurs playing. Any chance of them equalising?

[suggs]

also if he never started ww2 he would of been one of the greastest leaders in german history after dragging germany from poverty to economic powerhouse

Oh, absolutely. Good old Adolf-he's just misunderstood, right. And he was very nice to his dogs and Eva Braun (in that order) so FIRST RATE GOOD EGG.

Skipping over the genocide of...Actually, lets not.
3 main reasons why Hitler managed to drag Germany out of recession and into a fast growth, fully employed economy:

1) The global depression had already peaked in western europe by 1933-indeed, unemployment reached its zenith in the UK in 1933, and then fell until 1939. So Hitler came along at a (relatively) good time.

2) Proto-Keynesianism - the only "good" thing about Hitler is that he did stumble, accidently, on J. M. Keynes then revolutionary ideas about DEMAND MANGEMENT (in a nutshell, builidng more roads, schools etc booss the whole economy). So here, Hitler can claim some credit-it is true that Germany grew the fastest out of all the western european economies in the 1930's. (Although Germany had been the hardest hit, apart from the USA, in the world-so its easy to grow fast from nothing).

3) GENOCIDE - a bit of a blot, this. Yes, Hitler got full employment-but largely as a result of killing/"deleting" or forcibly ejecting those groups of society he didnt like.
Its quite easy to get full employment when you ban homosexuals, jews, travellers, disabled, too elderly, funny looking eyes, etc from doing any work.
Similarities are with a slave culture like the Romans-how wonderful! They had full employment, and built some beautiful buildings, but only cos a large chunk of the population had been effectively dehumanised.

With these factors taken into consideration, Hitler scores about 2 out of 100 on the "What a good economist/domestic leader scale", even forgetting about WWII-which WAS exclusively his fault, never mind clap trap revisionism.

To get ad hominem, you are either a brain dead moron, or an incredibly funny bloke, or Norse.
I hope its the latter. There is no excuse for "cleverly" justifying someone who cause such misery and pain, to MILLIONS of human beings. Piss off.

[Grooveman2007]

Thank you Suggs!

[reminisco]

well done suggs. but there's another thing, i wanted to add for you.

Hitler refused to honor any of Germany's debt. So, the economy was artificially buoyed by the fact that, poof, no more national debt.

oh, and guess what, that debt record was maintained through the war, so he only dug Germany's hole deeper when, after he so cowardly removed himself from the human race and Germany was liberated, that debt returned to Germany's long list of obligations to the world.


and yes, millions of people. Tens of millions. while 8 million people died in the so called Great War (WWI) about 5 times that many died in WWII. the single greatest period of mass human death and misery in all of history.

congratulations, everyone who supports Hitler, you're all complete fools.



oh, and about the getting to vote about recognizing kosovo thing... it's not like we Americans get to vote on that. that was the gov't's decision. all we get to do is elect our representatives, but they made the call.

so, read up on your civics 101, please, before you say anything else that makes you look so incredibly ignorant/foolish.

[ignotus]

I'm really getting bald because I feel the need to answer to thread like this all the time.

But this one I'm going to skip thanks to suggs!

[Napoleon Ier]

2) Proto-Keynesianism - the only "good" thing about Hitler is that he did stumble, accidently, on J. M. Keynes then revolutionary ideas about DEMAND MANGEMENT (in a nutshell, builidng more roads, schools etc booss the whole economy). So here, Hitler can claim some credit-it is true that Germany grew the fastest out of all the western european economies in the 1930's. (Although Germany had been the hardest hit, apart from the USA, in the world-so its easy to grow fast from nothing).

Even there, we need to realise that the German economy was only saved from the inevitable ruin that follows the short rapid growth associated with Keynesianism by WWII.

[suggs]

2) Proto-Keynesianism - the only "good" thing about Hitler is that he did stumble, accidently, on J. M. Keynes then revolutionary ideas about DEMAND MANGEMENT (in a nutshell, builidng more roads, schools etc booss the whole economy). So here, Hitler can claim some credit-it is true that Germany grew the fastest out of all the western european economies in the 1930's. (Although Germany had been the hardest hit, apart from the USA, in the world-so its easy to grow fast from nothing).

Even there, we need to realise that the German economy was only saved from the inevitable ruin that follows the short rapid growth associated with Keynesianism by WWII.

NO WE DONT. It sounds like you've been reading a bit of Milton Friedman, which is just the purest BALLS ever written.
Although it is unfashionable to say so, ALL the economies of western europe stil practice a form of keynesianism today. Just look at interst rates, Govt. Spending as a % of GDP etc
Monetarism was tried, and FAILED in the early 1980's.

[Napoleon Ier]

2) Proto-Keynesianism - the only "good" thing about Hitler is that he did stumble, accidently, on J. M. Keynes then revolutionary ideas about DEMAND MANGEMENT (in a nutshell, builidng more roads, schools etc booss the whole economy). So here, Hitler can claim some credit-it is true that Germany grew the fastest out of all the western european economies in the 1930's. (Although Germany had been the hardest hit, apart from the USA, in the world-so its easy to grow fast from nothing).

Even there, we need to realise that the German economy was only saved from the inevitable ruin that follows the short rapid growth associated with Keynesianism by WWII.

NO WE DONT. It sounds like you've been reading a bit of Milton Friedman, which is just the purest BALLS ever written.
Although it is unfashionable to say so, ALL the economies of western europe stil practice a form of keynesianism today. Just look at interst rates, Govt. Spending as a % of GDP etc
Monetarism was tried, and FAILED in the early 1980's.

My God! A species once thought extinct found just clinging onto survival in the middle of an online game forum! Suggs - The Last of the Keynesians!

Come on...monetarism failed in the 1980s? What, failed to let stagflation destroy the West's economies?
Givernments spend ludicrously, yes! And guess what? That's got us into a real bloody mess! The interest rates are too low, and have been for some time, and Bush's fiscalstimulus package is neo-Keynesian, yes. And it will be disaster. We're going to enter another period of massive stagflation, and guess what? We need another Reagan to save us from it. Not neo-Socialist Keynesian BALLS.

[suggs]

You're just too shy, Nap!
I disagree but I'm too tired to explain why. Which, I admit is one of the lamest excuses, like, EVER.
Its slightly dated now, but try reading The State We're In by Will Hutton, for a good defence of neo-Keynesianism (Clinton liked him, so I'm guessing you'll hate him-but its a good, fairly easy read, and will get you thinking-and angry!)
Thats enough of me being a patronising twat.
Sorry.
Carry on.

[Napoleon Ier]

:lol: You're just too shy, Nap!
I disagree but I'm too tired to explain why. Which, I admit is one of the lamest excuses, like, EVER.
Its slightly dated now, but try reading The State We're In by Will Hutton, for a good defence of neo-Keynesianism (Clinton liked him, so I'm guessing you'll hate him-but its a good, fairly easy read, and will get you thinking-and angry!)
Thats enough of me being a patronising twat.
Sorry.
Carry on.

Why am I shy? Thanks for the suggestion though, you can patronize me anyday. I am reading "Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher: A Political Marriage" at the moment, after which I have the old "The Road to Serfdom" lined up, as a matter of fact . But I'll read that to get a better grasp of "what dey is bangin on about" as Ali G would say.

[brooksieb]

well i think hitler was good to raise germany from being poor but i dont agree with the holocaust even though i wudnt be put on that list, but i think if it was me i wud of finished war on the western front, get stronger then invade the eastern front

anyway didnt hitler like japanese people and called them another master race?

[muy_thaiguy]

well i think hitler was good to raise germany from being poor but i dont agree with the holocaust even though i wudnt be put on that list, but i think if it was me i wud of finished war on the western front, get stronger then invade the eastern front

anyway didnt hitler like japanese people and called them another master race?

Something like that.

And this was why I don't think he was very good tactically or strategically, considering as soon as he was able to conquer France, he instantly attacke Russia using Blitzkreig, which initially thinned out his forces, and pretty much seperated his tanks from the rest of his forces. This ultimately led to his defeat in the East.

[HayesA]

well i think hitler was good to raise germany from being poor

Did you even read what suggs posted? The whole point was that he didn't raise Germany from being poor. He did totally ignore the debt, and rules set in place after WW 1. That debt still remained, and actually grew once Germany was liberated after WW 2. I reiterate, Hitler didn't do anything, it was all his Generals, and social "leaders" that did most of the work shaping public opinion. In fact, the first time Hitler tried to take control, his little coupe failed. Miserably. It wasn't until he got elected into public office that the second attempt succeeded, after he got more support.

I really cant stress this enough. It wasn't Hitler, it was his Generals, and Social Leaders. He just signed the papers, and was behind the genocide of anyone who wasn't like him/he didn't like.

[suggs]

well i think hitler was good to raise germany from being poor but i dont agree with the holocaust even though i wudnt be put on that list, but i think if it was me i wud of finished war on the western front, get stronger then invade the eastern front

anyway didnt hitler like japanese people and called them another master race?

Something like that.

And this was why I don't think he was very good tactically or strategically, considering as soon as he was able to conquer France, he instantly attacke Russia using Blitzkreig, which initially thinned out his forces, and pretty much seperated his tanks from the rest of his forces. This ultimately led to his defeat in the East.

Having said that, it WAS Hitler's idea to go around the Maginot line (ratter than through it), a move that Hannibal himself would have been proud of.
Ironically, his incredible success in France probably did bugger up the Germans in the end, because after Hitler had been vindicated in his French strategy, his generals were powerless to overide him.
Which would have been handy in 1942/3...

[Aidan Kerr]

no what i think is funny i never said once i liked Adolf Hitler yous all assumed my basic question was does anyone in the conquer club website forums agree with any of his veiws. never in this post did i say i liked Adolf Hitler funny how people jump to cunclusion a sign of the times

[Snorri1234]

no what i think is funny i never said once i liked Adolf Hitler yous all assumed my basic question was does anyone in the conquer club website forums agree with any of his veiws. never in this post did i say i liked Adolf Hitler funny how people jump to cunclusion a sign of the times

Or it could be that both the thread-title and the original question sort of gave the vibe that you did agree with hitler's views.

Not to mention the fact that sane people don't ask this question, nor reply "yes" to it.

[suggs]

So are you Norse or what?

[kerntheconkerer]

I look forward to the ensuing carnage this thread will produce.

lol, but most people here probably dont like hitler so maybe not as much as you think

[Snorri1234]

So are you Norse or what?

If he is he's really convincing. Norse usually uses correct grammar and punctuation.

[SolidLuigi]

this thread is still going? I thought suggs won this thread a couple pages ago???

[Aidan Kerr]

i dont having a clue what Norse but if its this well no im scottish

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse

[suggs]

Yes, definitely one of his better ones. Plus, no where near as funny as Wayne Kerstain or Cloaked Buggerer et. al.

[Neoteny]

I think this was the guy who had the creepy picture of the pope awhile back when Norse was still here.